VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[Dinoflaggelate]

You know I didn't really think about it, but if Henri is a genetic chimera, that makes him rather similar to Liz and Amber. It also means that Henri has that "twin boost" Tanos was so obsessed over.

Indeed. Tanos actually tells Liz that his research on twins was inspired by a genetic chimera superhuman that his father had access to. It could be someone else in H.E.R.O. that we haven't met yet, but Henri seems the most likely of all the characters we have.

 

[AnonymousMouse]

I'm like 95% sure Tanos is talking about Henri as the chimeric twin 4% Deus 1% some random we haven't met yet. The only thing that gives me pause on it being Henri is when Tanos says "you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at him, but truly, he was one of the most remarkable specimens I'd ever seen." Henri is many things but normal looking isn't one of them. Deus on the other hand gets mistaken for a regular human by the eye so he fits that little description better and theres clearly something unique about Deus too... but thats about as far as it goes. Nothing else about him makes sense for it so Henri still seems like a much better match, especially since it gives us the best explanation so far for how he got to level 5 so quick if his evolutions double. Tanos also describes the twin as a "Superhuman unlike any other" which fits much better with Henri too since Deus has Zack as someone like him (on the surface anyway) Tanos probably just meant you can't tell he's a chimeric twin by looking at him, which you can't, but god knows how you would tell that anyway lol

 

[One_Black_Sun]

I'm like 95% sure Tanos is talking about Henri as the chimeric twin 4% Deus 1% some random we haven't met yet. The only thing that gives me pause on it being Henri is when Tanos says "you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at him, but truly, he was one of the most remarkable specimens I'd ever seen." Henri is many things but normal looking isn't one of them. Deus on the other hand gets mistaken for a regular human by the eye so he fits that little description better and theres clearly something unique about Deus too... but thats about as far as it goes. Nothing else about him makes sense for it so Henri still seems like a much better match, especially since it gives us the best explanation so far for how he got to level 5 so quick if his evolutions double. Tanos also describes the twin as a "Superhuman unlike any other" which fits much better with Henri too since Deus has Zack as someone like him (on the surface anyway) Tanos probably just meant you can't tell he's a chimeric twin by looking at him, which you can't, but god knows how you would tell that anyway lol

The "you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at him" could be that Henri looks like a crackhead clown that might smell like a clown's septic tank. In other words, he doesn't look dangerous in the Superhuman sense.

 

[OnlineRando]

You know I didn't really think about it, but if Henri is a genetic chimera, that makes him rather similar to Liz and Amber. It also means that Henri has that "twin boost" Tanos was so obsessed over.

Yep. Presumably, evolving once counted as both him and his twin evolving, and since they're both one, that boosted him four levels instantly.

 

[jjtom000]

Give the game a re-read really put a ton of things onto perspective, now I'm far more curious about various things, one of the most relevants being Henri more now than before, I didn't really remembered being mentioned bout him having jumped from level 1 straight to 5 on one night, no wonder the poor guy look so traumatized, that must have been a wild ride.

Keeping the topic on him though, a ton of people(me included) think about the theory of him being 'Paradox' on the same manner than MC is Evolution as a fact, but, how would that even happened?, I mean, the MC was converted by the third and the fourth personally, the direct "offspring" of Evolution, but I dobut Henri was converted by Fantasy/Truth on the same manner, and I can't really think on a monster born of those two paths naturally being the Sire, since according to Syla, the last six apostles don't mesh well, of course, is also possible that Henri was simply born(as a human) with Paradox already dormant inside him, and being converted by a random monster simply awaken that, while not actually inheriting anything of his direct Monster Parent.
But I don't know, after Ella's mention of a type of Gods that are basically 'Aliens' that come from other realms/universes(a category that we haven't seen represented so far since Arbiters/Apostles are more likely on the category before Universe creation) I'm thinking that Henri might be just that, a spawn of an "Alien Deity" totally outside the lineage of Arbiters/Apostles, instead of Paradox, that would explain why the Great King of the alternate humans despite embrace it's power still lost to the Second, being the spawn/reincarnation of an Outer being make you cracked as fuck, but not exactly a top dog like being an Arbiter born anew, what do you people think?, I'm onto something or Henri being paradox is simply the truth?

Henri evolved 4 times in as many nights, so he evolved to lvl5 in 4 days, not one night. Also, you don't need to get infected by both the parents to get the split trait(on a side note, it was never shown that MC was infected by both 3rd and 4th), since Jake was only infected by 1st, but he still had the potential to inherit Order.

 

[Blaze_Lumini]

Went back and re-read bits about Ella's background. I was curious about how quickly she evolved. There is enough material to make a decent guess about her history, with a lot of the scenes adding context to each other.

Ella timeline:
-At age 13 she ran away from home and eventually fell in with a group that was hired to participate in clinical trials for Tanos Xanthe. Having first met the MC here. Clinical trials were actually for pill lure and she was attacked by several monsters and became superhuman.


-At some point between 13-14 she evolved to level 2. She was introduced to her future wards, defeated them all in combat despite them also being level 2, and bonded with them. Some months later she escaped from Tanos control.
---While the MC has no memories of it, Ella stated that when the MC ran away for a month after his mother's death the MC spent that time with Ella's group. Other Ella memories hint that She and the MC are the last remaining...Whatever that means.


-At age 14, during middle school, Ella's parents were murdered under unknown circumstances. She disappeared for a few weeks after that and when she returned she had fully assumed a new form and personality.


-At some point (14~), before middle school graduation, she started showing signs of hearing voices. During her middle school graduation party, she evolved to Level 3 after massacring the whole student body minus Christie, though the trance/split personality tried to kill Christie but was stopped by Ella. After this, Christie said Ella was emaciated and was itching to leave the place after the massacre so Ella followed Christie to another school.


-(15~18) Before MC secret identity reveal Ella stated she was stuck at Level 4 for years before ascending to Level 5. Upon reaching level 4 she created the Ella doll.


At age 20 she stole Evolution Serum to evolve to Level 5.

Any comments or corrections? (also remember that Ella's age upon game start was retconned from 21 to 20)

 

[OnlineRando]

Henri evolved 4 times in as many nights, so he evolved to lvl5 in 4 days, not one night. Also, you don't need to get infected by both the parents to get the split trait(on a side note, it was never shown that MC was infected by both 3rd and 4th), since Jake was only infected by 1st, but he still had the potential to inherit Order.

It might be that evolutions can't happen truly simultaneously, and are instead queued one after another and start after the previous ends. His four might've just lasted four nights. It is a stretch, but according to everything else we know, he should've gone to level 5 all at once. Or maybe that line is outdated.

As for twin traits, Ella makes it clear that MC having both Memory and Body from the start is unique, so it's safe to assume there's some way to gain the twin trait of your apostle trait after being infected. Maybe a ritual of some sort, or maybe it happens naturally at evolution. Maybe, it's a combination of both.

In fact, that might've been what was happening to Ella in her middle school when the fourth took over her to kill everyone. Since the third and fourth wanted her to become the vessel of evolution, they needed her to have both traits, and since her compatibility with Memory was lacking, they needed to fix that and make her a proper inheritor of Memory too.

A similar thing might have been necessary for Jake to inherit Order (though I doubt Authority would initiate it) since not only does he not possess dual traits, but having two random parents that are 100% compatible with the apostles of the same twin pair is ludicrously lucky.

 

[Komdot]

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It's amazing how funny that game can be!

 

[jjtom000]

A big part of that probably has to do with them spending literal decades at lower levels. As blatantly stated in game and displayed by tree guy, even at level 3 you can have power comparable to that of a level 5, given you spend enough time and effort.

Level 4 would only be more impressive in that regard. And since those three are built different in general, it's very plausible that when the trio were level 4, the rest of the captains were 3 or lower, and so gained less power than the trio over time. That makes even more sense when you consider that the evolution serum didn't exist back then.

Also, by the three I mean Bernhart and Malik, since Henri evolved straight to level 5 lmao

It is precisely not why they are stronger.
1. It was never stated how much time the trio has spent at lower lvl except Henri, and judging by the fact that Bernie and Malik evolved to lvl 5 not long after Henri, I doubt they had spent decades at their lower lvl.
2. Henri's whole point is that they are just different than the others, so if the trio at lvl4 is stronger than Kira and Ilijah just because they have been a SH much longer and have more time to accumulate power which is sth any SH can do given the same amount of time, then there's nothing "different" about them. If that's the case, Henri wouldn't even make the comparison at all. In context, the comparison only makes sense when it's comparing apple to apple, as in even as a lv4(who had been a SH roughly as long as Kira and Illijah) Bernie was still much stronger than them, and that's why they are built different.

 

[txe320]

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It's amazing how funny that game can be!

 

[jjtom000]

It might be that evolutions can't happen truly simultaneously, and are instead queued one after another and start after the previous ends. His four might've just lasted four nights. It is a stretch, but according to everything else we know, he should've gone to level 5 all at once. Or maybe that line is outdated.

As for twin traits, Ella makes it clear that MC having both Memory and Body from the start is unique, so it's safe to assume there's some way to gain the twin trait of your apostle trait after being infected. Maybe a ritual of some sort, or maybe it happens naturally at evolution. Maybe, it's a combination of both.

In fact, that might've been what was happening to Ella in her middle school when the fourth took over her to kill everyone. Since the third and fourth wanted her to become the vessel of evolution, they needed her to have both traits, and since her compatibility with Memory was lacking, they needed to fix that and make her a proper inheritor of Memory too.

A similar thing might have been necessary for Jake to inherit Order (though I doubt Authority would initiate it) since not only does he not possess dual traits, but having two random parents that are 100% compatible with the apostles of the same twin pair is ludicrously lucky.

Nothing suggests he evolved simultaneously instead of consecutively unless you count the "Henri is a chimera" theory which is pure speculation.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Any comments or corrections? (also remember that Ella's age upon game start was retconned from 21 to 20)

Not directly related to her evolutions, but I'd add her getting the Apostle goo that she drank during the massacre. She had to have done that before the massacre, though we don't know how early.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I'm interested to see what you all think. I believe the MC will evolve in the next update. Yea or nay?

 

[txe320]

I'm interested to see what you all think. I believe the MC will evolve in the next update. Yea or nay?

Not for me. I think it would take a little bit for him to evolve again.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Not for me. I think it would take a little bit for him to evolve again.

That's fair, but the MC has been Level 3 for a considerable stretch of time at this point. Even longer, if you consider that in universe the monster world arc has gone on for around six months.

 

[Blaze_Lumini]

Not directly related to her evolutions, but I'd add her getting the Apostle goo that she drank during the massacre. She had to have done that before the massacre, though we don't know how early.

I wondered about the goo as well but saw someone mention the combo of the 4th's blood and Ella going out of her way to eat the minds of the students was supposed to awaken more 4th traits in Ella and make her the perfectly balanced heir to body/mind. However, that seemed to have been a failure.

Another, less sophisticated, answer for the goo is explained by Ella at some point "A possible way to evolve is by absorbing monster blood, with blood from the monster that turned you working extra well".

As to how she got the goo, she seems to be working directly with the 3rd/4th, so maybe they just gave her some? The avatar bodies left behind after the apostle returns to the higher realm could also be a source.

 

[DefaultNK]

I'm like 95% sure Tanos is talking about Henri as the chimeric twin 4% Deus 1% some random we haven't met yet. The only thing that gives me pause on it being Henri is when Tanos says "you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at him, but truly, he was one of the most remarkable specimens I'd ever seen." Henri is many things but normal looking isn't one of them. Deus on the other hand gets mistaken for a regular human by the eye so he fits that little description better and theres clearly something unique about Deus too... but thats about as far as it goes. Nothing else about him makes sense for it so Henri still seems like a much better match, especially since it gives us the best explanation so far for how he got to level 5 so quick if his evolutions double. Tanos also describes the twin as a "Superhuman unlike any other" which fits much better with Henri too since Deus has Zack as someone like him (on the surface anyway) Tanos probably just meant you can't tell he's a chimeric twin by looking at him, which you can't, but god knows how you would tell that anyway lol

My longshot prediction is that it's actually Lucius and that nearly everyone else in H.E.R.O merely thinks he's being egotistic when he carries out long conversations with himself.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

I'm interested to see what you all think. I believe the MC will evolve in the next update. Yea or nay?

Nay. I expect Alice to evolve next update, and the MC also evolving would take away from her moment. He'd be hitting level 4, she'd be hitting level 3, he'd just overshadow her too much in terms of power. It would make anything she did fresh off the evolution seem less impressive. Maybe it could work if they were in separate fights like when they both evolved at the Battle of Diamonds, but since they're in the same one, I'd give the scene to Alice. She just lost her closest friend and has a monster with a vendetta attacking her, this is a good time for her to get to power up and kick ass.

At best, the MC might evolve next update in a later scene after this fight with Daione Danu is resolved. Probably not in combat, going straight to another big fight would just feel tedious. Some sort of emotional revelation that pushes him to evolve from mental stress, maybe? But then again, reliving his mother's death didn't do that, so I don't know what could do it now. So yeah, I'm just going to say he won't evolve next update.

 

[OnlineRando]

My longshot prediction is that it's actually Lucius and that nearly everyone else in H.E.R.O merely thinks he's being egotistic when he carries out long conversations with himself.

Nah that'd be funny as fuck lmao

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Nay. I expect Alice to evolve next update, and the MC also evolving would take away from her moment. He'd be hitting level 4, she'd be hitting level 3, he'd just overshadow her too much in terms of power. It would make anything she did fresh off the evolution seem less impressive. Maybe it could work if they were in separate fights like when they both evolved at the Battle of Diamonds, but since they're in the same one, I'd give the scene to Alice. She just lost her closest friend and has a monster with a vendetta attacking her, this is a good time for her to get to power up and kick ass.

At best, the MC might evolve next update in a later scene after this fight with Daione Danu is resolved. Probably not in combat, going straight to another big fight would just feel tedious. Some sort of emotional revelation that pushes him to evolve from mental stress, maybe? But then again, reliving his mother's death didn't do that, so I don't know what could do it now. So yeah, I'm just going to say he won't evolve next update.

That's also fair. Tbh, a lot of characters are being set up for an evolution atm, so I kinda have the feeling that everything is gonna happen all at once. Michael is going through rituals, Alice has been set-up to deal with the portal, Amber and Liz have been worrying over their evolution, Deryl has been manufacturing his own chimeric alternative to evolution, and the MC has been due to evolve for a hot minute.