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- Jul 15, 2024
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I have been thinking, how truly thin or thick is the line between different paths?
I mean, some set of powers that are actually descended from x path, somehow could potentially overstep on the domain of another, this idea come to me mainly due to the recent discussion about how the powers of the MC might evolve/change once he hit level four, with some of the ideas being more suitable for someone descended from Creation, things like produce more complex materials to mimic things like gravestars or magnets, the problem is, Creation also can produce biological materials(something that one would think is more within Body's territory), all this become even more strange when is taked into account how creation and body come from two completely different Arbiters(Chaos and Evolution) that are not even on the same group of triplets.
My final example would be Henri(yeah, we don't know for sure if he is Paradox, but is the most likely so I'll take that as a fact for the sake of this comment), he is by far the one that fuck the most on other paths, he straight up disintegrate monsters just by powering up, Evander style, and i'm sure his threat to Lisa bout' conjuring up an unicorn to give it to her on the ass wasn't out his possibilities(creation), he also order the MC to keep silent and the latter's throat close(more proper for authority), and lastly he evacuated all the Humans on a city, straight up moving them through space/teleporting them, obviously without using the Ether trait, like, the broken clown has already overstep on multiple paths without actually fighting(I'm sure once he does he would shown even more crazy nonsense)all of that would be quite weird even in the case he is indeed Paradox.
I mean, some set of powers that are actually descended from x path, somehow could potentially overstep on the domain of another, this idea come to me mainly due to the recent discussion about how the powers of the MC might evolve/change once he hit level four, with some of the ideas being more suitable for someone descended from Creation, things like produce more complex materials to mimic things like gravestars or magnets, the problem is, Creation also can produce biological materials(something that one would think is more within Body's territory), all this become even more strange when is taked into account how creation and body come from two completely different Arbiters(Chaos and Evolution) that are not even on the same group of triplets.
My final example would be Henri(yeah, we don't know for sure if he is Paradox, but is the most likely so I'll take that as a fact for the sake of this comment), he is by far the one that fuck the most on other paths, he straight up disintegrate monsters just by powering up, Evander style, and i'm sure his threat to Lisa bout' conjuring up an unicorn to give it to her on the ass wasn't out his possibilities(creation), he also order the MC to keep silent and the latter's throat close(more proper for authority), and lastly he evacuated all the Humans on a city, straight up moving them through space/teleporting them, obviously without using the Ether trait, like, the broken clown has already overstep on multiple paths without actually fighting(I'm sure once he does he would shown even more crazy nonsense)all of that would be quite weird even in the case he is indeed Paradox.
I think most of Henri's feats are explained by the fact that Paradox is Truth+Fantasy, since we've seen Truth can be used to enforce something like Eisheth's "regeneration", Henri's just a OP version of that, the Truth is what changes the No smoking sign, the Unicorn, the Humans and the MC's throat. It's not him ordering MC to close his throat and his body following that order, but making that a truth; Likewise he's not teleporting humans, it's the "Earth" enforcing the truth of "There are no humans here". As for disintegrating monsters, supposedly anything with huge Power can do it, we do see Ella and other SuperHumans affect the environment just by powering up. However I do agree that the boundaries between Apostles sometimes are fickle, with even Aglaecwif saying that the dream world is more suitable for Fantasy than Memory.
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- Apr 17, 2024
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There's definitely some overlap between the traits. Like, Valravn's information sheet says that his ability to turn into an armored form isn't from having any Body powers, but because Dark powers can use the logic of "shadows mimic the appearance of real objects" to copy shapes. Or for a more prosaic example, Michael can produce laser beams by using Power to manipulate energy instead of by using Light. Even the MC gets in on it, using Memory to overwhelm people with strong enough false memories to make them briefly hallucinate an illusion like Fantasy would produce. The powers are ultimately pretty arbitrary, so it's not surprising to me that the same goal can be approached from multiple directions. And for someone with a greater power, who has not just two Apostle traits but the fusion produced from them, it doesn't seem odd to me that they can leverage their wider toolkit to do a very large set of functions.
- May 10, 2017
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I like Deryl but that is in large part due to how good the war arc is, some of his early writing leaves a lot to be desired, for the early game at first he was just the bland friend character, and when he does start getting focus it's being mind controlled, then you had the flashback that didn't make any of the 3 childhood friends look good and then when he has some real characterisation it's to be a cocky shit who attacks the MC outside of mind control. So if people don't like them I get it. When Deryl starts to become a more fleshed out character it's when he's at his worst.
I only started warming up to Liz and Amber during the twin arc, being indifferent beforehand, I don't think the writing ever did a good job of showing why the MC would like Liz for who she is, if he was into emotional distance he would be going gaga for Tiffany.
I've been thinking about the memory paths the MC underwent. What was the point of them? Was it simply to gain knowledge (and thus power) directly from the apostles themselves and to be used randomly when convenient (Like MC simply knowing the black monster blood concentrate would be good for Liz but bad for Amber.)? Or is there some deeper meaning behind it? The MC's mother said there was a limited amount of paths the MC could connect to (or something to that effect) and very purposely made sure he connected directly to the 12 apostles via his friends/rivals/enemies for the most bang for his buck. I thought he would then permanently have a direct connection to all 12, but I remember reading that all connections except for 3/4 were cut.
Side note: Ella was talking about how there is a reason for monsters to infect humans and their desire for Superhumans/spawns to become perfected (evolve to level 5). While she didn't explain what she meant, she said it was pretty simple/obvious once you thought about it. My guess is that perhaps perfected spawns are a means to directly incarnate apostles, considering a normal apostle avatar normally disintegrates after some time. Possible supporting evidence is Ella trying to create direct spawns of apostles and being on a time crunch before the Black Moon triggered. Apostles are said to be able to directly incarnate during the Black Moon.
Side note: Ella was talking about how there is a reason for monsters to infect humans and their desire for Superhumans/spawns to become perfected (evolve to level 5). While she didn't explain what she meant, she said it was pretty simple/obvious once you thought about it. My guess is that perhaps perfected spawns are a means to directly incarnate apostles, considering a normal apostle avatar normally disintegrates after some time. Possible supporting evidence is Ella trying to create direct spawns of apostles and being on a time crunch before the Black Moon triggered. Apostles are said to be able to directly incarnate during the Black Moon.