Rutonat

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Sadly it happens quite a lot with twins when even one shows signs of being gifted at something... That's the saddest part in that sidestory...

Also why are you mostly summerazing what each characters are ? We're all playing the game here, we know. :WaitWhat:
 

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Tiffany would have been more likely to, for example, ask the MC to get recruited or captured to help her crew HERO from within, than pull a trap and risk him telling her to fuck off if he finds out. After all, when she asked him for help previously, he obliged. She knows he can be a precious ally so long as she doesn't give him a reason to be pissed at her.
And it doesn't make one lick of sense for Tiffany to release the information considering how she threatened to use it against the MC if he didn't help her.

Since Alice and Michael was also outed, that makes me suspect the Alarics since we know the head of the family was away on business when the MC & Co took down the insufferable prick at the Alaric mansion, and the head of the Alarics must be itching to get some revenge and he must still have some resources and contacts to accomplish that.
 

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And it doesn't make one lick of sense for Tiffany to release the information considering how she threatened to use it against the MC if he didn't help her.

Since Alice and Michael was also outed, that makes me suspect the Alarics since we know the head of the family was away on business when the MC & Co took down the insufferable prick at the Alaric mansion, and the head of the Alarics must be itching to get some revenge and he must still have some resources and contacts to accomplish that.
I t hink you're mixing up names. Alaric's the first name of the dickweed politician Tiffany is to be married off to. You might be confusing that with the Aldain (if I spelled it right), rivals of Alice's people.
 

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I t hink you're mixing up names. Alaric's the first name of the dickweed politician Tiffany is to be married off to. You might be confusing that with the Aldain (if I spelled it right), rivals of Alice's people.
I asumed as much
 
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I t hink you're mixing up names. Alaric's the first name of the dickweed politician Tiffany is to be married off to. You might be confusing that with the Aldain (if I spelled it right), rivals of Alice's people.
You are entirely correct, I meant Aldain.
 
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Regarding your quote about Alice, the fairy is referring to your monster parent. The dark blue is the third and light pink/brown whatever is the fourth. Depending on which you select at the beginning it says "say hello to third/fourth for me"
Interesting. Since i played only once had no idead about that.

The Third and the Fourth who attacked the protagonist;
The one leg Fairy who infected/revived Alice;
The three face woman who infected/rescued Demi;
The "dracula" Shopkeeper;
The crow creature Ella kept locked away.

Wonder what those intelligent monsters want. This game sure make a mystery good enough to keep me hooked up waiting for the next update.


Sadly it happens quite a lot with twins when even one shows signs of being gifted at something... That's the saddest part in that sidestory...

Also why are you mostly summerazing what each characters are ? We're all playing the game here, we know. :WaitWhat:
I just started playing last week. Separating my thoughts per character was easier in making things more compact when writting. Really didn't want to write walls os texts.
 
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I'm still thinking that the forced transformations are probably going to lead to big power gaps between HERO and ella. and in the way that Ella is more powerful then HERO even with 2 5th evo people.

Idk just thinking because when Ella mentioned that the power gaps between 5th evolutions are where the big big gaps happen, and the only ones we can say are confirmed are 5th are the 2 HERO people and ella, and possibly that one guy in the mine with ella in the previous update(can't say much about him). I think it's hinting at the drugs being not as good as a pure evolutions. (Or they are too newly evolved/ inexperienced but I don't think this is the case). (Or in another case their 'talent' isn't actually on par with ella's since she can see talent/compatibilities for supers.)

In any case if they reached the 5th evolution shouldn't they be following the mission of their parents as hinted by ella or are they not affected by the call or something? Or they are cut off from their parents in some weird fashion.

I also kinda wonder are HERO and ella really on opposite sides? I mean when we think about HERO's aggression toward ella I think it's mostly a one sided conflict, as in HERO as the aggressor except for getting into their base to take their drugs. That's all there really is to it I feel. Like I get the mystic of ella being weird goals but really what are the HERO's goals as well, they seem pretty shady at the end of the day. They have a mad scientist (It's so cool) who's goals seem to be pushing humanity to evolve but is that really against ella's goal? and who's to say that HERO is actually on the side of good?

I know ella is more selective with who she turns into a super and HERO seems to also just pick up random people if they have powers but the goals don't seem to really be totally against each other. That might also be why ella is a bit more strong then HERO, selective evolution idk. Could be the case since the theme for the game is evolution and HERO seems not that selective while ella is very selective.

Wondering how jake is doing tbh, he's kinda been awol since the start of the update right? and I think jake is a pretty decent ally to have since i think we beat the crap out of him,(If he is still alive in some of your runs) he should realise where he went wrong. can't wait for the can of worms to open when jake and shorty come into contact.

anyways sorry for wall text
 

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I've just recently finished (as far as it goes right now) this game and I've to say, I'm kinda blown away.

It's good, really good. Some may have already said this, but I unironically played it for the plot. The adult content is definitely great and something I look forward to a lot, but I never expected to appreciate the story and characters to this extent.

I've been lurking around for a while, but this is my first post on this site. I just felt like I had to say that you have another fan and cheer you on.

Would anyone be able to recommend similar games?
 

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I'm still thinking that the forced transformations are probably going to lead to big power gaps between HERO and ella. and in the way that Ella is more powerful then HERO even with 2 5th evo people.

Idk just thinking because when Ella mentioned that the power gaps between 5th evolutions are where the big big gaps happen, and the only ones we can say are confirmed are 5th are the 2 HERO people and ella, and possibly that one guy in the mine with ella in the previous update(can't say much about him). I think it's hinting at the drugs being not as good as a pure evolutions. (Or they are too newly evolved/ inexperienced but I don't think this is the case). (Or in another case their 'talent' isn't actually on par with ella's since she can see talent/compatibilities for supers.)

In any case if they reached the 5th evolution shouldn't they be following the mission of their parents as hinted by ella or are they not affected by the call or something? Or they are cut off from their parents in some weird fashion.

I also kinda wonder are HERO and ella really on opposite sides? I mean when we think about HERO's aggression toward ella I think it's mostly a one sided conflict, as in HERO as the aggressor except for getting into their base to take their drugs. That's all there really is to it I feel. Like I get the mystic of ella being weird goals but really what are the HERO's goals as well, they seem pretty shady at the end of the day. They have a mad scientist (It's so cool) who's goals seem to be pushing humanity to evolve but is that really against ella's goal? and who's to say that HERO is actually on the side of good?

I know ella is more selective with who she turns into a super and HERO seems to also just pick up random people if they have powers but the goals don't seem to really be totally against each other. That might also be why ella is a bit more strong then HERO, selective evolution idk. Could be the case since the theme for the game is evolution and HERO seems not that selective while ella is very selective.

Wondering how jake is doing tbh, he's kinda been awol since the start of the update right? and I think jake is a pretty decent ally to have since i think we beat the crap out of him,(If he is still alive in some of your runs) he should realise where he went wrong. can't wait for the can of worms to open when jake and shorty come into contact.

anyways sorry for wall text
Well according to Clark some 12 members of HERO have hit Evo 5. Its unknown whether they did it naturally or via the drug (though its implied the drug was involved). While its also implied that the drug induced evolution is of a lower quality than the pure one it isn't necessarily confirmed especially since the HERO doctor (xanthe) did say that he gave Klaus a worse version of the drug and it looks like Clark/Alex (who got the best versions of the drug) arent any less powerful than Ella. Ella just seems to be able to use her powers to see who would be a good fit for a particular type of monster leading to better fit superhumans. Also its hinted in the Bad End scenes that HERO has some sort of internal classification for monsters (calling the MCs a class S monster) and that there is a correlation between the class of the monster and the power level of the resulting superhuman.

We could also infer from the Xanthe and lab scenes that HERO's superhuman creation process kills the monster parent. Maybe thats why none of their 5th evo people are breaking out to do other monster related stuff,
 
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Well according to Clark some 12 members of HERO have hit Evo 5. Its unknown whether they did it naturally or via the drug (though its implied the drug was involved). While its also implied that the drug induced evolution is of a lower quality than the pure one it isn't necessarily confirmed especially since the HERO doctor (xanthe) did say that he gave Klaus a worse version of the drug and it looks like Clark/Alex (who got the best versions of the drug) arent any less powerful than Ella. Ella just seems to be able to use her powers to see who would be a good fit for a particular type of monster leading to better fit superhumans. Also its hinted in the Bad End scenes that HERO has some sort of internal classification for monsters (calling the MCs a class S monster) and that there is a correlation between the class of the monster and the power level of the resulting superhuman.

We could also infer from the Xanthe and lab scenes that HERO's superhuman creation process kills the monster parent. Maybe thats why none of their 5th evo people are breaking out to do other monster related stuff,
What dead end leads to the MC's Parent being called an S Class? I don't think I've ever came across that in game. I need to check that out. Only time the class stuff was mention for me was when I killed that scientist dude at Hero and it mentioned the different types of Monsters in his memories.
 
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What dead end leads to the MC's Parent being called an S Class? I don't think I've ever came across that in game. I need to check that out. Only time the class stuff was mention for me was when I killed that scientist dude at Hero and it mentioned the different types of Monsters in his memories.
There is a bad end where you fight the thugs in the diner without having trained enough (near the beginning). It isn't explicitly stated but the people who kill you (Alexis and Clark) speculate that your parent was S Class. Granted this seems to be something only mentioned in passing.
 
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There is a bad end where you fight the thugs in the diner without having trained enough (near the beginning). It isn't explicitly stated but the people who kill you (Alexis and Clark) speculate that your parent was S Class. Granted this seems to be something only mentioned in passing.
Wow, no wonder I never saw that. I never died there at all. At least it's early on so I can see it easily. I should try all the dead ends at some point.
 

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Wow, no wonder I never saw that. I never died there at all. At least it's early on so I can see it easily. I should try all the dead ends at some point.
Yeah there's sometimes a few interesting tidbits in there. For example the same bad end also suggests that Malik's powers are to do with fire. Which unfortunately (in the future of course) is another bad power match up for the MC... lol just for once I want to see us have the direct advantage over the opponent superhuman.
 
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Yeah there's sometimes a few interesting tidbits in there. For example the same bad end also suggests that Malik's powers are to do with fire. Which unfortunately (in the future of course) is another bad power match up for the MC... lol just for once I want to see us have the direct advantage over the opponent superhuman.
Exactly what I was thinking :KEK:. People say the MC is overpowered but he has way too many exploitable weaknesses. Making Superhumans have them is just downright unfair lol.

I like it though, it makes the MC think and it's better from a story perspective.
 

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Exactly what I was thinking :KEK:. People say the MC is overpowered but he has way too many exploitable weaknesses. Making Superhumans have them is just downright unfair lol.

I like it though, it makes the MC think and it's better from a story perspective.
Yeah its definitely better for the story. I am eager to see how being able to liquefy plays out. Theoretically it should make the MC all but invulnerable to everything but electricity. Cant cut or shoot it and fire wouldn't adhere and with enough mass to draw on we could glorp on everyone like a mudslide :ROFLMAO:
 
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Yeah there's sometimes a few interesting tidbits in there. For example the same bad end also suggests that Malik's powers are to do with fire. Which unfortunately (in the future of course) is another bad power match up for the MC... lol just for once I want to see us have the direct advantage over the opponent superhuman.
We did against Jake actually. If we destroy our own ears, Jake is an absolute joke. If he didn't have an army, super weapons, and Deryl to back him up, we would have killed him in like a minute and a half. His CLI power can't actually surpass our healing factor, and if we can't hear his orders, arguably his strongest weapon is disabled.

It took us like 3 fights to figure that out but still, we did have the advantage there.
 

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We did against Jake actually. If we destroy our own ears, Jake is an absolute joke. If he didn't have an army, super weapons, and Deryl to back him up, we would have killed him in like a minute and a half. His CLI power can't actually surpass our healing factor, and if we can't hear his orders, arguably his strongest weapon is disabled.

It took us like 3 fights to figure that out but still, we did have the advantage there.
I'm with you there but Jake's power never was about direct conflict anyway. In a classic DND mindflayer/genestealer patriarch kinda way ideally they wouldn't engage till all their mooks are done. We had many advantages besides being able to regen brain damage and not having to rely on brute force. We knew who they were, how they worked etc. We also had to spend so much time working against our own brain working on not harming him. In theory if we have full biomantic body control could we edit those aspects out? Why do we have internal organs at all to affect? At stage 2 we're basically slime with a spine lol. Ella says at stage 5 she could regen from a scrap of flesh. Does imply that organs/bones etc aren't really a necessity at all

Dont get me wrong I love the way Weird has approached the MCs powerset. I kinda just want him to win a slugfest a la overpowered isekai protagonist for once. Its just me. Not saying it as a critique on the writing
 

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I'm still thinking that the forced transformations are probably going to lead to big power gaps between HERO and ella. and in the way that Ella is more powerful then HERO even with 2 5th evo people.

Idk just thinking because when Ella mentioned that the power gaps between 5th evolutions are where the big big gaps happen, and the only ones we can say are confirmed are 5th are the 2 HERO people and ella, and possibly that one guy in the mine with ella in the previous update(can't say much about him). I think it's hinting at the drugs being not as good as a pure evolutions. (Or they are too newly evolved/ inexperienced but I don't think this is the case). (Or in another case their 'talent' isn't actually on par with ella's since she can see talent/compatibilities for supers.)
Wasn't that already established though ? I seem to remember mentions about how the drug-forced evolution was unnatural and as such less effective, implying that since the body wasn't yet ready to evolve, the evolution was, therefor, nowhere near as "efficient" as a natural one...

I also kinda wonder are HERO and ella really on opposite sides? I mean when we think about HERO's aggression toward ella I think it's mostly a one sided conflict, as in HERO as the aggressor except for getting into their base to take their drugs. That's all there really is to it I feel. Like I get the mystic of ella being weird goals but really what are the HERO's goals as well, they seem pretty shady at the end of the day. They have a mad scientist (It's so cool) who's goals seem to be pushing humanity to evolve but is that really against ella's goal? and who's to say that HERO is actually on the side of good?
That's pretty simple. It's the difference you see often in comics. Ella is basically an anti-hero, like Deadpool. She uses whatever methods needed, doesn't care too much for consequences. Means to an end, basically.
HERO, on the other hand, want th appear as the good guys. They do use shady methods too, but they pretend otherwise to be "the good guys". But deep down a lot of them are assholes. Kinda like the official heroes in The Boys, if you've seen it.
That's why they hate each other. In Ella's eyes, HERO are a bunch of pompous assholes who'd let whatever she's preparing for creep in way too close before reacting, or even noticing it. They wouldn't take the necessary measures and end up fucking everything up for everyone. And in HERO's eyes, Ella is a dangerous lunatic borderlining on the sociopath that will burn the world to the ground to do whatever she wants to do.
In truth, neither are good nor bad. Both sides are heavily flawed, because everything is written in such a way that it shows it's never black or white. There are no heroes or vilains there, just different shades of assholes.

I know ella is more selective with who she turns into a super and HERO seems to also just pick up random people if they have powers but the goals don't seem to really be totally against each other. That might also be why ella is a bit more strong then HERO, selective evolution idk. Could be the case since the theme for the game is evolution and HERO seems not that selective while ella is very selective.
Arguably, it might be because of Ella's vision. She mentionned multiple times she can "see" people who would be compatible for transformation, and also see with which monster they'd be compatible. A good example is when she talks about Emily, saying she'd be perfectly compatible, but she can't figure out with which monster, or if it's that she's uniquely compatible with all of them (if memory serves). Therefor, she opted not to transform her, as the result would be way too unpredictable to be worth the risk to her friend.
Ella chooses quality through that vision of hers, while HERO needs in depth research and testing to figure out who's compatible and how. Also, they do transformations via surgery, rather than letting recruits get attacked, which lengthen the process even more.

Wondering how jake is doing tbh, he's kinda been awol since the start of the update right? and I think jake is a pretty decent ally to have since i think we beat the crap out of him,(If he is still alive in some of your runs) he should realise where he went wrong. can't wait for the can of worms to open when jake and shorty come into contact.
Depending on your choices, he's either dead, or just on the run. He's pretty much on the same boat as the MC in the end of the current update : his face, name and deeds are known by relevant authorities, and he's being actively hunted. There is a very likely possibility he won't be seen again in the game, or maybe only at a specific point to give a hand. But, as he is a character you can kill, his involvement with the story will be quite minor, as it would make a huge amount of work to put two versions of events, between him being alive and back, and him being dead.

anyways sorry for wall text
No worries; This threads is used to big posts. We thrive on discussing theories and opinions.

I should try all the dead ends at some point.
Honestly, since you're one of the people out here with the most knowledge about what paths give and such, if you wanted and waste the time on it, I htink you'd be pretty much capable of listing where dead ends are, which events give points, and such things.
You'd basically be able to make a non-spoiler walkthrough if you decided to.
 
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