If theres anyone I felt bad for out of those 3 and maybe would of spared. It was Oscar. It really felt like he struggled with the death of his family and was afraid being alone acording to his backstory before Micheal finished him. Thinking about it now, maybe Oscar and Micheal could of really been good friends. But their battled ended in his death. Which happens. We didnt get the choose this outcome. Did we ?
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I disagree. While the mind and the body trait are complementary to each other, having only only one seems to make that trait more potent. Or maybe it's just Ella. She is able to create much more complex and finer things with her power than the MC but fails at things she cant easily shift, like poison. If there is no memory to be had of a complex thing to create, Ella is miles ahead of the MC. She's simply better at experimenting and at creating new stuff. The MC on the other hand can simply copy the best of what's availyble and mix and match it together. Of course I'm going to compare those two. They are incredibly similar and remarkably different at the same time.
I got this impression too, it was noted somewhere, that she had a better handle on her TFs. (I think Bramon said) I just cant be really sure as its hard to get a grasp if its her level that effects this (and theres still alot of game left for me to play. I just got up to the part where Cole attacked MC at the TV station). I mean catgirl pussy ears! Fucking great!!. One of the best lewd scenes in the game for me so far. Ella is amazing for this
Imagine all the experimental sheet she and MC could come up with ^_~And as scary as it sounded, I loved it when she said she could grow sharp teeth down there if she wanted
What a dangerous girl.
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Bramon Xanthe mentions she had precise control over her shapeshifting at the cellular level from the start.I got this impression too, it was noted somewhere, that she had a better handle on her TFs. I just cant be really sure as its hard to get a gasp if its her level that effects this (and theres still alot of game left for me to play. I just got up to the part where Cole attacked MC at the TV station). I mean catgirl pussy ears! Fucking great!!. One of the best lewd scenes in the game for me so far. Ella is amazing for this
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You guys need to keep in mind that at the start and middle of the developing of shapeshifting powers someone like Ella that specialize in only that will always be better but when the MC'll arrive at lv 5 or even only lv 4 (with ideally the memory powers to the same level of the shapeshifting ones) he will be superior without a doubt as he could potentially access to the memory of the universe or some op shit like that
So yeah hear out Drako as he's on a very valid point
So yeah hear out Drako as he's on a very valid point
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I mean sure, you can disagree but Ella factual can't make poison, turn into animals perfectly or make amalgamations of monster and animal parts to improve herself and her attacks to the same extent as MC. She has to manually do everything herself.
MC can eat a monster heart and then perfectly apply it to his base form. Ella on the other hand has to study it herself and it still likely won't come out as perfectly on the first couple of tries. MC can devour a mantis shrimp and now he can apply the mantis mechanism to his blades and punches. Ella can't do that or hasn't shown that she could.
Only thing Ella can realistically do that MC can't currently is her unchangeable state. Everything else that she's shown MC can do himself besides her eye sight. Stuff that requires more power will obviously be out of reach for now but he'll be able to easily replicate later on if he tries to learn it.
Also, you're comparing Ella whose Level 4 to 5 with an MC from the ranges of Level 1 to 3. She would obviously look more advanced with her powers currently than MC at the current time. She's had 6 years of training compared to MC's 6 to 8 months of having his power. Wait until MC hits Level 4 and 5 himself.
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This discussion about Ella's control over the body trait being better than MC's has been done many times in the past.
This idea was iffy at best back then, now it's even weaker thanks to new knowledge.
1) Whatever Ella can do, MC can replicate by stealing her memories, as long as he has enough power. He has proven this is the case by stealing the knowledge to create metal.
2) While Bramon says that Ella had fine control early in her career, now we know that he doesn't necessarily mean she could do it as level 1 or 2. She was already level 3 when she started creating her advanced forms with knowledge from her biology professor.
3) Level 3 MC is also capable of rebuilding nerves and blood vessels, as shown in the scene where he saves Laurie from Jared's bolt.
MC never had to put much effort to shapeshift in useful forms. He got the knowledge with his memory powers and mixed/matched the various forms at a macro level. Ella does not have the same capacity, so she had to engineer her forms at a micro level and it's obviously hard for her to do, indicated by her huge surprise to MC's poisons in deadend3.
MC is capable of creating far more complex materials, which shows that his potential in using the Body trait is very high, perhaps higher than Ella's. Once he reached level 3, he could replicate Valravn's armor material and more. We haven't seen Ella create any special material.
MC is capable of shifting between various forms very efficiently and quickly, easily add extensions to his base forms (like tentacles to his dog and eagle form), make highly customized forms on the fly (the huge spear, the blob that protects Amber and Liz from fall, his liquid form). Ella's shifting seems more planned and sluggish in comparison.
So no, her "finer control" is not enough to make her flat out "better" at using the body trait. It's a niche she has, but she also doesn't seem capable of functioning at a high level without it, while MC doesn't need it and his transformations are shown to be way more fluid than hers.
This idea was iffy at best back then, now it's even weaker thanks to new knowledge.
1) Whatever Ella can do, MC can replicate by stealing her memories, as long as he has enough power. He has proven this is the case by stealing the knowledge to create metal.
2) While Bramon says that Ella had fine control early in her career, now we know that he doesn't necessarily mean she could do it as level 1 or 2. She was already level 3 when she started creating her advanced forms with knowledge from her biology professor.
3) Level 3 MC is also capable of rebuilding nerves and blood vessels, as shown in the scene where he saves Laurie from Jared's bolt.
MC never had to put much effort to shapeshift in useful forms. He got the knowledge with his memory powers and mixed/matched the various forms at a macro level. Ella does not have the same capacity, so she had to engineer her forms at a micro level and it's obviously hard for her to do, indicated by her huge surprise to MC's poisons in deadend3.
MC is capable of creating far more complex materials, which shows that his potential in using the Body trait is very high, perhaps higher than Ella's. Once he reached level 3, he could replicate Valravn's armor material and more. We haven't seen Ella create any special material.
MC is capable of shifting between various forms very efficiently and quickly, easily add extensions to his base forms (like tentacles to his dog and eagle form), make highly customized forms on the fly (the huge spear, the blob that protects Amber and Liz from fall, his liquid form). Ella's shifting seems more planned and sluggish in comparison.
So no, her "finer control" is not enough to make her flat out "better" at using the body trait. It's a niche she has, but she also doesn't seem capable of functioning at a high level without it, while MC doesn't need it and his transformations are shown to be way more fluid than hers.
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There's also the fact that MC turned into her Level 2 to 3 Monster form just from looking at her memories through everyone's blood at the massacre. Something I don't even think Ella could do if she saw MC's armors and monster forms.
We also have to remember that MC has both halves of the original trait. Ella only has one half. In a way, she will always be flawed compared to him because of the fact that he has both. These dual traits complete each other and unlocks the true power of them. If MC unlocks the original trait, their power won't even be in the same dimension anymore.
I remember reading somewhere that you can save Laurie, how I thought it was a part of the story and unavoidable.
I personally believe the only thing actually preventing the MC from surpassing Ella's usage of the Body trait is experience and power at this point. Her complete atomic control actually is replicable by the MC. At least in his post-evolutionary haze, but that's just a taste of what's to come. Completing the Deryl-Rebis fight perfectly has the Level 3 MC pull off a Level 5 Ella's complete atomic control on pure instinct just to prevent Laurie's head from detonating to mush. If he can pull it off on another person, which was previously shown to be a weak point in the MC's skills, then he could definitely learn to apply it to himself eventually.
If my memory is correct (which to be fair, it isn't flawless) the only thing that Ella's done that the MC hasn't shown the potential to do is her ability to assess genetic compatibility, visually see someone's level of Monster Power and alter things without physical contact. And even this could change as he still has two evolutions to go.
Though I could use the MC sucking at repairing brains while Ella can do it with ease like with Mia and Laurie as an example of her fine control surpassing the MC, the former was at the MC's Level 2 and the latter honestly seems like a plot hole in hindsight. He says the reason why he couldn't fix Laurie flawlessly is because he lacked memories of women with her body type, but one, he's literally touching her and two it's possible for him to have been in her head and rummaged around her memories at that point.
If my memory is correct (which to be fair, it isn't flawless) the only thing that Ella's done that the MC hasn't shown the potential to do is her ability to assess genetic compatibility, visually see someone's level of Monster Power and alter things without physical contact. And even this could change as he still has two evolutions to go.
Though I could use the MC sucking at repairing brains while Ella can do it with ease like with Mia and Laurie as an example of her fine control surpassing the MC, the former was at the MC's Level 2 and the latter honestly seems like a plot hole in hindsight. He says the reason why he couldn't fix Laurie flawlessly is because he lacked memories of women with her body type, but one, he's literally touching her and two it's possible for him to have been in her head and rummaged around her memories at that point.
You need sufficient Deryl win points in the Deryl-Rebis fight on day 99. Hesitate against Deryl Tertius w/ power>=100 (the hydra-like one), have skill>=28 and break the sword he's building before he finishes it. A guide to the game is linked here: https://attachments.f95zone.to/2023/11/3110567_Official_Superhuman_Walkthrough.pdf
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Well in a situation like that he couldn't study her memories as he was in a pretty stressful and potentially dangerous place
Also it's true that he got through her memories while fucking her but, firstly it was for a very brief moment and secondly he even got "pulled out" by Laurie in the middle of it so I figure that he got only partial information
And btw by that point his memory powers felled pretty much back so he it did while having neither the experience nor the conscious ability as he did it instinctually
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That still might be a slight oversight. MC has touched Laurie on multiple occasions. From fighting her in the virtual space which we know works via Tiffany's fight. He was helping her unblock her memories two times while also seeing them himself and then actually fucking her later. It seems bizarre that he wouldn't already have her shape saved in his memories.
Look at his Ella form. MC has never used his memory trait successfully on her and was able to perfectly mimic her look and everything. There's even the fact that he could change into Charlie and Zara. One of them he only shook the hand of once and never touched her again while the other could only be a brief passing in this update. If we look at it that way, it does seem like a slight inconsistency.
Though, I guess you could chalk it up to him being in a state of panic, but it looks weird when he can turn into Charlie after only touching her once at Level 2 and not even using his power on her.
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I don't know, then as to not take it as a bit of an error, I'll just assume that it was the panic and the memory powers being weak in that instance
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Actually, slight correction. He did touch and read Charlie's memories this update prior to the Jared scene. I forgot that happened before the tournament took place.
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Good stuff really good, it's perfect, finally found a monster type mc where you can be full on monster that kills everything, i killed everything when it gave me the choice, like the white air loli and her buffed gf, i let Angelina die,i killed the cops, i would have probably killed my friends too if it didn't lead to dead ends, i hope it'll give option to massacre every HERO members too when mc is strong enough, they forced mc to join and I'm not gonna let that slide,anyway keep up the great work.
So about Lurie. So something been bugging me about her that I never really can pinpoint what it is. She clearly thinks as level 2 she can win aginast level 1s. and we seen it backfire on her. Like she gets overconfident and thinks too much of her power status over performance. She doesnt really amount to anything as as superhuman (especially compared to our group) and shes the type who seems doomed to fail. Like her partner. NGL, she easily just looks like fodder.
However the eluding thing I couldnt pinpoint, the MC said/mentioned something that I think is the problem.. Its those dam helmets they wear. I feel like thats whats holding her back. Do you see any of the LTs, or captains wearing them ?. Its like piolets who craw in to their cockpits cluching there parachutes. They go in with the wrong mentality.
I'd be all for it, if the MC told her to ditch the helmet and see how much more she'll improve being corrupt. Seeing her develop from being mostly pure into corrupted would actually be pretty exciting for me at least. Feel like thats the only way she will stay within range of MCs group in terms of combat effectiveness.
Listening to her talk about how shes not really been a fighter and how shes always afraid, I feel like this is her solution. It only took for the MC mentioning it that I realized this was the problem I couldnt pin point.
Anyone else feel this like me, or am I misreading something ? overcompensating something ? Feel like this is MCs chance to change her for the better. She'd look back and apricate how he changed her life as a superhuman. Remember how she didnt even like MC hero identity from the start.
However the eluding thing I couldnt pinpoint, the MC said/mentioned something that I think is the problem.. Its those dam helmets they wear. I feel like thats whats holding her back. Do you see any of the LTs, or captains wearing them ?. Its like piolets who craw in to their cockpits cluching there parachutes. They go in with the wrong mentality.
I'd be all for it, if the MC told her to ditch the helmet and see how much more she'll improve being corrupt. Seeing her develop from being mostly pure into corrupted would actually be pretty exciting for me at least. Feel like thats the only way she will stay within range of MCs group in terms of combat effectiveness.
Listening to her talk about how shes not really been a fighter and how shes always afraid, I feel like this is her solution. It only took for the MC mentioning it that I realized this was the problem I couldnt pin point.
Anyone else feel this like me, or am I misreading something ? overcompensating something ? Feel like this is MCs chance to change her for the better. She'd look back and apricate how he changed her life as a superhuman. Remember how she didnt even like MC hero identity from the start.
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You're surely putting a second-league character like Laurie on a spot too high for her
Even if she will go through another evolution, it's really improbable that WW will make her a more important character than she is now
Btw the helmet simply permits to be able to avoid gaining corruption as even the MC could wear it and it doesn't make him weaker
It's true that for a superhuman the corruption is fairly important to be more in sync with the monster parent, also it can influence the development of the powers, an example being the ability of Nix to speak with the deads.
Though it's nothing too necessary to grow in power or skill
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I always assumed she was pregnant in the HERO holding cells.
First time posting, and it's on this masterpiece of a game
I don't think I saw anyone ever mention it in this thread, but I have the slightest suspicion that Henrick probably has inherited the power of Order.
There's barely any evidence of it, but I can kinda see it;
The only time until now that Henrick used his power was to change a no smoking sign into a -I think, sign that said it was allowed to smoke in the area. To me it fits with what Order is all about, that being the (presumed) capabilites to alter reality itself.
It also make sense that even though Henrick (In Lisa's words) doesn't want to accept his powers, he's still incredibly powerful (one of the strongest in all of H.E.R.O), since any Double-Traited Superhuman shown so far is an incredible powerhouse, take the MC and (maybe) Deus for example.
Maybe that's why Henrick evolved so fast in so little time, his power was so incredibly strong that his body had to constantly evolve to handle it.
But hey, that's just a theory! A theory of a fan that's dangerously obssesed with this game
I don't think I saw anyone ever mention it in this thread, but I have the slightest suspicion that Henrick probably has inherited the power of Order.
There's barely any evidence of it, but I can kinda see it;
The only time until now that Henrick used his power was to change a no smoking sign into a -I think, sign that said it was allowed to smoke in the area. To me it fits with what Order is all about, that being the (presumed) capabilites to alter reality itself.
It also make sense that even though Henrick (In Lisa's words) doesn't want to accept his powers, he's still incredibly powerful (one of the strongest in all of H.E.R.O), since any Double-Traited Superhuman shown so far is an incredible powerhouse, take the MC and (maybe) Deus for example.
Maybe that's why Henrick evolved so fast in so little time, his power was so incredibly strong that his body had to constantly evolve to handle it.
But hey, that's just a theory! A theory of a fan that's dangerously obssesed with this game
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Most likely not. Aglaecwif needed time to fully make her child with MC and she's an S Class monster. The Minyak, who's only a D Class, was either beaten into submission or got her power completely drained. She likely wouldn't have the power to maintain the child after that whole encounter.
There's also the fact that she fused with another Minyak. Something which shortens their lifespan and removes their ability to reproduce altogether. So yeah, MC's firstborn will be with Aglaecwif, if he encountered her.