Zekethor

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Sorry to ask this but why berny and Malik has 3 trait of monster ,i thought we got the power of one and then it branches out different according to their condition and i always thought mc has 2 trait from 3rd and 4th and every one has one ,but malik and berny has 3 ( truth , fantasy, power for malik and space for berny) is this something else or i got the wrong concept and if yes then other powerful people also have more than 1 trait ?
And an additional questions,big three is beating goku ?:WaitWhat::HideThePain:
I was reading through their conversation and got curious too, I don't recall seeing anything like that in the game. But just the thought that someone could combine "Fantasy" which, to me, represents the imagined, the unreal, with "Truth," the embodiment of absolute reality... that's terrifying. It’s like collapsing the boundary between what could be and what is. That’s reality-warping on an absurd level.

No wonder Henrick Bendrix can annihilate monsters in the Otherworld with a single thought, or declare there are no humans in a city, and suddenly... there aren't. His will becomes law. And if that's not enough, imagine him having access to three traits. Add “Power” to that? Or “Space”? The possibilities are just insane.
 

Zekethor

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Because all monsters below the Chosen or 1st Generation tend to be mixed. So around 2nd Generation and below. You can have exceptions of monsters created by the 12th, who are first generation like the M77 Udug but mixed with a whole bunch of monsters. You can also have 2nd Generation who are fully "pure" as well.

So to answer your question. Monsters are mixed among each other and the breeding they do develops powers and traits that might be uncommon within their ancestors. Their make up doesn't necessarily means they have those traits separately. Malik powers are predominantly fire, for example. His monster likely being far down the generational ladder. However, he might have some minor functions to his fire that utilizes traits from Truth and Fantasy.

MC is different from Malik and Bernhardt. He gets his power directly from an Apostle. Because of his genetics, he inherited both of the Twins traits. Even though one turns him. Because each individual twin can pass on their twin trait as well.
In that sense, would you happen to know why Tanos chose that specific monster to transform Amber and Liz? Was it also because of its unique compatibility with certain Apostles he’s connected to?
 

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In that sense, would you happen to know why Tanos chose that specific monster to transform Amber and Liz? Was it also because of its unique compatibility with certain Apostles he’s connected to?
I'm not sure I understand your question. He chose the Strength Eaters for Amber and Liz because that's what they're compatible with. It had nothing to do with his own compatibility or the Apostles directly. He was testing out his twin theory and was likely seeing what would happen with Strength Eater spawns.
 

Zekethor

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I'm not sure I understand your question. He chose the Strength Eaters for Amber and Liz because that's what they're compatible with. It had nothing to do with his own compatibility or the Apostles directly. He was testing out his twin theory and was likely seeing what would happen with Strength Eater spawns.
Oh really? I thought there would be a more meaningful reason behind choosing that monster rather than mere convenience. One idea that crossed my mind was that perhaps he aimed to purify the twins' connection on a deeper level. Not just by transforming them, which alone would elevate them beyond typical superhumans, but by fusing them into a single body, attempting to mirror the arbiters' purity. From that perspective, the selected monster being unique would make the interaction even more coherent within whatever larger plan he might be orchestrating.
 
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I was reading through their conversation and got curious too, I don't recall seeing anything like that in the game. But just the thought that someone could combine "Fantasy" which, to me, represents the imagined, the unreal, with "Truth," the embodiment of absolute reality... that's terrifying. It’s like collapsing the boundary between what could be and what is. That’s reality-warping on an absurd level.

No wonder Henrick Bendrix can annihilate monsters in the Otherworld with a single thought, or declare there are no humans in a city, and suddenly... there aren't. His will becomes law. And if that's not enough, imagine him having access to three traits. Add “Power” to that? Or “Space”? The possibilities are just insane.
And maybe that's the reason he helped malik and berny to reach level 5 without losing there mind and severing the connection and also remove the restriction (if any ) added by apostle,i mean he can just say it and by power of truth it came into existence and maybe there would also some ritual of some kind in which they sacrifice comrades in case of malik and binding an entity in case of berny like a conduit to work Henry's power and allowed them to be this powerful,
 
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So I'm trying to figure out what this "core trait" thing is. Everything I've seen seems to indicate that it is different from your inclination to certain apostle traits. The way Ella describes it, the core trait is something that everyone has, monster, human, or superhuman, though it only plays a part with how monsters and superhumans interact with their powers. We know that compatibility with the core trait informs what evolutions you'll be able to undergo without monsterfying. We also know that it is independent of your monster parent or your mental state, seeing as how Ella determined that Emily would have near perfect compatibility with the trait, but wouldn't be able to become a superhuman due to her mental state yet also couldn't tell which monster would best fit her genetically.

The simple answer is basically just "the core trait is the ability to channel monster energy", but that seems too simple for how obtuse the game is being about it.
I think it's not quite that simple, but close to it. Ella says that the core trait is responsible for all the common attributes shared by monsters and superhumans. All superhumans have five evolutions, all monsters can infect others, all supernatural beings in general have their energy infused into their flesh. I think the idea is that the core trait is the set of powers that go unacknowledged as being powers, but implicitly must be. The things that actually create the interface between your biology and the supernatural energy in you, that everything else you do with your powers builds upon. That's why it's important to have high compatability to it, because it's the foundation for everything else. Even if you have high compatability with the Dark (just for example), if you don't have high compatability with the core trait you won't have the biological features needed to safely use the Dark. And so you'll probably die when your body starts channeling a ton of Dark energy.
 
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Sayajin2205

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Sorry to ask this but why berny and Malik has 3 trait of monster ,i thought we got the power of one and then it branches out different according to their condition and i always thought mc has 2 trait from 3rd and 4th and every one has one ,but malik and berny has 3 ( truth , fantasy, power for malik and space for berny) is this something else or i got the wrong concept and if yes then other powerful people also have more than 1 trait ?
And an additional questions,big three is beating goku ?:WaitWhat::HideThePain:
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Just to recap, how many sides are there in this conflict now?
We have HERO, Deus (apparently has his own objectives), possibly Henry depending on how you interpret his words, SIN, Ella and the kids (I remember them mentioning that SIN is just a tool for them), Charlie, Tanos/Stephen/aos (may or may not be working with SIN for real), the apostles that want to conquer the world and their armies lead by Indra, the Lord of Dark and Valravn, the chosen of fantasy whose name I can’t write correctly, the 3 and the 4th that want to fuse back, and I believe I’m still missing one or two
 
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Just to recap, how many sides are there in this conflict now?
We have HERO, Deus (apparently has his own objectives), possibly Henry depending on how you interpret his words, SIN, Ella and the kids (I remember them mentioning that SIN is just a tool for them), Charlie, Tanos/Stephen/aos (may or may not be working with SIN for real), the apostles that want to conquer the world and their armies lead by Indra, the Lord of Dark and Valravn, the chosen of fantasy whose name I can’t write correctly, the 3 and the 4th that want to fuse back, and I believe I’m still missing one or two
I'd add to the list the things we had hinted at by the memories from the Chaos temple. Some outside force split the Arbiters into Apostles, suggesting the entire cycle of monster invasions is by that force's plans. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the true final boss. We've also got the plan to start anew and rebuild on their ashes that the three surviving Arbiters initiated, which will probably come into fruition during this cycle.

Oh, and speaking of Arbiters, the Eye. Which is probably the Arbiter of Evolution. Its plans may be aligned with the Third and Fourth, but we can't say for sure yet. Might as well include it on the list as a separate entry.
 
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KingAgamemnon

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Man, when are we going to fuck the 4th mommy again?

It's been since the prologue, where she just gave us a BJ. I'm craving a sex scene with her.

WW, please give us some scenes with the 4th mommy—even some with other apostles would satisfy me.
You only get the mommy sex scene when you make mommy happy. You've spent too much time focusing on daddy, so no mommy sex scene for you.
 

XeroZero000

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Damn, he got out done by Duncan, they guy who barely had any screen time before being tree'd. Gotta hurt.
I personaly really like Elijah, Clark too. It's nice to have morally good aligned characters in a game where the overwhelming majority are either neutral to straight up evil.
But Duncan was more interesting than Elijah. Duncan is more memorable than him, while Elijah is just a "meh" type—neither hate nor love him. He is just that uninteresting.
 
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