Not to knock your cult or anything, but I'm devouring mommy 4th as soon as I can. 
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For real~Not to knock your cult or anything, but I'm devouring mommy 4th as soon as I can.
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So, what I was wondering about for some time now:
At the end of the most recent episode, Ella comments on the viability of certain people to host superhuman powers. She is as of now probably one of the most powerful people in this story, yet she has blindspots (like everyone, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it makes for better storytellling in fact). She didn't know about MC's ability to strait up invade foreign minds and copy their abilities. She seems to be seriously wrong about people's viability for powers, clearly she still underestimates the MC.
Why though? Is someone lying to her? Are her methods just flawed? Is she just lying about certain things?
If you get the too powerful too soon dead end (hilarious btw.), Ella clearly seems to put two and two together about the MC's mind reading/copy abilities, and seems to be VERY ok with it, she even mentions him to be the perfect host and is not overly surprised by his powers. This is at odds with what she claims at the end of the current content. If you admit the extent of your abilities to her a bit after this potential dead end, she will just kill you. I always found it rather strange, that she would just kill the MC. Maybe something changed in between those two events... idk.
At the end of the most recent episode, Ella comments on the viability of certain people to host superhuman powers. She is as of now probably one of the most powerful people in this story, yet she has blindspots (like everyone, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it makes for better storytellling in fact). She didn't know about MC's ability to strait up invade foreign minds and copy their abilities. She seems to be seriously wrong about people's viability for powers, clearly she still underestimates the MC.
Why though? Is someone lying to her? Are her methods just flawed? Is she just lying about certain things?
If you get the too powerful too soon dead end (hilarious btw.), Ella clearly seems to put two and two together about the MC's mind reading/copy abilities, and seems to be VERY ok with it, she even mentions him to be the perfect host and is not overly surprised by his powers. This is at odds with what she claims at the end of the current content. If you admit the extent of your abilities to her a bit after this potential dead end, she will just kill you. I always found it rather strange, that she would just kill the MC. Maybe something changed in between those two events... idk.
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Both Klaus' and Kenny's father are on the council... So there actually is a direct benefit, funding...
Oscar's body is clear enough too, for Charlie... Pretty much all SIN members are loyal due to the vow to Charlie...
Most of the superhumans in containment are monsterfied, making a vow to Charlie seems unlikely.
There's twins being kidnapped now, she can't keep those forever, they're the bodies the Apostles will use...
Ella is needed for the ritual... We get a call Amber and Liz are in danger... Whatever plans she has with her body in HERO base, it better be fast if that's her only body... And she's still depending on others, if that's the case... Something really "not Ella"..
We don't know how much she struggled, her lieutenants collected several of them, Cole just was the one that gave them to Ella. Ella's heart and Agleacwif's heart were easy enough. The kids only lost Valravn's heart so Deryl made another.
There's only 1 uncategorised body. HERO however has been collecting shells from Avatars, no mention of complete hearts.
Besides that, from just the people we know there's : Jake, Michael, Alice, Ella, Aglaecwif, Valravn, the fairy and MC that have such a heart. We don't know who else, but it's not unlikely there's more spawns of Apostles....
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Having been going through my replay of the game I can safely say that Danica will not be alive through my playthrough. I totally forgot how much of a brutal cunt she was:
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Eh, did you forget that majority of the Apostle spawns you just named off are at HERO's base.....
There's Valravn, MC, Tiffany, Alice, Michael and Jake. If you include Tiffany as being the spawn of the 8th and possibly Deus. That's a grand total of 6 to 7 people. As far as I'm aware, HERO also knows the locations of these uncategorized monsters as well. So again, how does the act of infiltrating HERO prevent her from doing her plan with the Apostles, if they're needed?
Also why would Ella care about funding? She literally tells you she doesn't actually need money. So no, it's not a benefit. I'm also pretty sure that there's nothing in the game that would indicate Charlie's vow wouldn't work on monsters. The fact that all of these different types of monsters decided to even work with Ella sort of says otherwise. So I guess she could save Oscar but that's about it.
Like I said in my previous post, my stance is going to be the same on this. She intentionally got captured. There's no other reason for her to have not escaped otherwise.
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You literally do worse to her and she couldn't heal from it without HERO's help lol. She was legit in a coma after you stabbed her through her chest, yet again and half blind after you fucked up her eyes. What more do you want from her?
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The point is they're not really rare... Just remember Ella's pills could make more of them...
Something easy enough for the council to fetch... Same like they been gathering those twins...
Ella just uses them, but in order to let them do those things she has to do her part...
As for Charlies vow there's nothing in the game that suggests it works on monsters...
Deryl made his vow before he monsterfied, he even monsterfied as a result of that vow...
Having your enemy think you're dead means they're not looking for you now. She's a shapeshifter so she can go around pretty much in plain sight... Seems a very good reason for me.
The possibility that Ella uses that body to get into HERO base while being unable to do anything until her condition has been fixed just requires too many factors outside her control.
Nyx power needs to be lifted, Ella's body needs to be released from containment, so she needs inside agents powerful enough to neutralise Nyx's powers.... That's a tall order... And she would be unable to do anything else during that time...
It would make more sense she's conscious inside the Duncan tree, no need to break Nyx power or get inside help...
At the cost of being burned alive and resurrected on a daily basis, but with her control it might just tickle...
And no matter what she can chose her timing...
But why even do that when you can just take the shape of one of the HERO agents marked by Zara anytime you like?
Hex ports them to SIN base, Ella takes their form and walks into HERO base with zero problems...
I still don't buy that Ella has the MC's memory trait figured out just yet. I don't see much point in arguing, but I'll slap my thoughts in spoilers on the off-chance.
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I wouldn't say Ella had zero losses.
She lost Deryl in the last battle. Cole made it clear she had other things for him to do and she doesn't have Rebis to replace him. Does she have another engineer for monster equipment with his potential?
And that S Class she had guarding Deryl's exit? Aglaecwif was already pissed at how many sons she'd lost before Malik got loose and the dimension collapsed. It's possible she's no longer following orders. That would also constitute a major loss. How much control does Zara and Charlie really have over her? Or Junior? Guess we'll find out.
Langdon's ID also got leaked. Not that Ella really cares about him. The kids in his Tower are a different story.
As for HERO being infiltrated for the umpteenth fucking time, I'd add my pick for the traitor:
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I'm not sure why you're mentioning the tree when I literally said it plays a part in the whole thing...
Nothing you said here goes against the fact that Ella intentionally got caught to get inside HERO's base. It doesn't matter if she faked her death and hide in tree(which I said btw) or used her shapeshifting to slip in, the intent would still be to get into HERO's base again. It's not like Hex can't come and get her. She already handed his pills to HERO and she used him last time to block Lexi while she escaped.
We're going to start going in circles soon so I'm dropping it here.
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Thing is, Deryl likes to brag about shit, so he likely spilled the beans as soon as possible to get Ella's attention. She wouldn't even had to have asked. Also, I think Zara's ability might have some kind of eavesdropping mechanic to it. The MC got a point with Ella for not giving up too much info when he was meeting the Captains. This was while he still had her mark on. Just speculation for now until we know more about her ability but it's possible she put one on Deryl too and heard everything they said, including how the MC read his memories to find his actual body.
I also don't think Ella would've went that long without knowing and still considered the MC a target for just his shapeshifting. That said, if she somehow still didn't know, she definitely knew after he went to HERO. MC was a memory whore around that time. Dude was using and saying he had it loud and proud for everyone. Might as well have put a sign on his forehead and told Ella to come get him when he was alone.
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Nah, we're not going circles, i gave you arguments why this situation is to complex to simply be planned...
Either Ella is "dead" or better neutralised but it wasn't her plan... Accidents happen, Cole said she was late...
But infiltrating HERO base with so many factors being unsure is illogical. Ella can infiltrate HERO base very easy with hardly any risk of failure, so why should she?
Conclusion is easy, she wants HERO to think she is out of the picture and is outside HERO base working on her Apostle plan, or she is really captured and unable to do anything until help arrives... Ella is very tactical, she would always go for the plan with the least chance of failure... But being kept powerless in hero quarantine hardly seems a masterplan to me..
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And I simply disagree with your conclusion, just like you had with mine. So that's the end of this discussion.
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shadow is not a waifu because you don't have sex with her. because she is a dog.
she is a good girl though. one might even say best girl.
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I wonder if Ella's body at HERO would be enough to devour at one point for corruption path MC...
That way Ella could still be alive endgame no matter what.... Just a thought...
That way Ella could still be alive endgame no matter what.... Just a thought...
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Valid points, but Ella also happens to be very impulsive and doesn't seem to plan much of anything beyond momentary whims from what we've seen of her. Her going with the flow and adjusting as needed would produce pretty much everything that's happened around her. There are also of course indications of her thinking ahead now and then but she just strikes me as incredibly chaotic both in thought and action.
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Can we assume Ella is able to use "clones" based on her fight against Nico/Malik ?
It was explained that Nico couldn't teleport her sometimes because most of her body was outside of the portals, meaning (i guess) the smaller body was connected to the large one hidden underground. But Ella was running, jumping, walking over lava and shit, Mc's body parts disconnected to his main body evaporate, so coud Ella disconnect at will and only do that when she wanted to avoid teleportation ?
Because that's relevant not just to Ella current situation but also to Mc's possible future powers.
It was explained that Nico couldn't teleport her sometimes because most of her body was outside of the portals, meaning (i guess) the smaller body was connected to the large one hidden underground. But Ella was running, jumping, walking over lava and shit, Mc's body parts disconnected to his main body evaporate, so coud Ella disconnect at will and only do that when she wanted to avoid teleportation ?
Because that's relevant not just to Ella current situation but also to Mc's possible future powers.
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Most of what she does actually is done in order to reach her end goal. She's not so much impulsive, but rather she's a pragmatic opportunist. Not everything can be planned, she has no vision of the future like Deus and Zack and that's probably exactly why what she does often works... She simply makes the best out of the situation. Perhaps even with some impulsivity like you said... hmmm...
We know from Ella she just needs a miniscule part of her body to survive, we've seen her controlling 2 bodies at the same time. Her regeneration, control and chances of survival are phenomenal... She can adjust to situations on the battlefield with ease. It's Ella, she only depends on herself, everything else is just a tool to reach her goals... If one tool doesn't work, find another... The moment MC can't deliver what she wants from him, he's dead or forgotten. (sometimes even if he delivers/dead ends)
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