VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[DrakoGhoul]

1. Couple months - this is time when MC join Hero (his education period was about couple months. Yep. Time skip). Lauri already was lvl 2 when Jake took her under control (and from what she tell us - she was full fledged Agent and a part of HERO at least for a year at this point of time)
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2.On contrast with Dani who get her assassin missions once per month at best - Laurie hunt monsters on daily basis as a part of her Agent duties
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3.Whole Laurie thing during Battle of diamonds is about find resolve in herself to fight against Monster far stronger then herself and make her best to put it down (help Alice in the process). Something like this require mental toughness
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4.There is different kind of Support, you know. Laurie at lvl 3 probably would make any wound on our opponent a living hell for him

And this is a perfect material for character arc

Yep. Laurie is a huge debuff dealer.

1. Yes, a couple of months. Laurie says so to the MC herself. Not sure what your point is here. This further proves my point anyway because Jake, MC, Alice and the others outpaced her and they had their powers for less time.

2. The monsters Laurie hunts are weak monsters that are suited for her power. The water monsters she hunted with MC and Del. The Dani point wasn't even about training. It's about her mental state.

3. And during said Battle of Diamonds, you'll see her fold when it was something that her power couldn't affect. Her helping Alice doesn't mean she's mentally tough all of a sudden.

4. No shit, but MC doesn't need that kind of support. Michael alone can do what Laurie does with his radiation. Only difference is, he can actually fight.

This whole Laurie thing amounts to certain fans wanting her to be more important than she actually is to the plot. If you think she can accomplish these things, then by all means continue to do it. I personally don't think she's going to have any major or supporting role in the future. Outside of a minor appearance here or there.

 

[Demandred20]

Malik also isn't the great example you would think he is. Nico's boast, while sounding good at the time, ignores several factors. The main one being that he had decades to reach that point. Do you think Laurie has decades of time to not only reach Level 5 naturally but accumulate that large power pool he has? Malik also worked his ass off too. Fighting in wars and such. Laurie hasn't done any of that and got injured brutally by Jared.

Point of order here. Can you reach level 5 naturally? Current info suggests that you have to go on some sort of "Hero quest" to do it the way its intended. It suggest there is more to it than just overloading your system that most of the normal 1-4 methods end up being. Case in point Ella who despite all her monster knowledge had no clue how to achieve it. Henri stumbled over it but even among the other 5s only a few and Xanthe seems to have an idea how it works and they are being pretty cagey with that info. Of course there is the serum but with the latest update the jury is still out on if it replicates the evolution perfectly. Bernhardt seems to think no but Henri is thinking that it probably does with differences is due to their background.

 

[hrhr]

Oh truly would be but then again we have plot macguffins galore in this game (Mia is one and Jared is literally wielding his pedo arrow of doom that screams dead end inbound).

lol what, what's wrong with Mia? And "pedo arrow of doom that screams dead end"?

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[DrakoGhoul]

Point of order here. Can you reach level 5 naturally? Current info suggests that you have to go on some sort of "Hero quest" to do it the way its intended. It suggest there is more to it than just overloading your system that most of the normal 1-4 methods end up being. Case in point Ella who despite all her monster knowledge had no clue how to achieve it. Henri stumbled over it but even among the other 5s only a few and Xanthe seems to have an idea how it works and they are being pretty cagey with that info. Of course there is the serum but with the latest update the jury is still out on if it replicates the evolution perfectly. Bernhardt seems to think no but Henri is thinking that it probably does with differences is due to their background.

No matter what, reaching Level 5 naturally seems like a challenge. MC being an Apostle Spawn likely makes it much more harder. The requirements for such an evolution is likely to be insane. Especially since Ella, like you mentioned, couldn't trigger hers. After this update though, Christie was likely Ella's requirement but she failed that at Level 3. It's possible that if she went back and killed her while she was Level 4, she would have triggered her 5th naturally.

 

[hrhr]

In the most recent update

Jared mentions that he has an arrow and said arrow is strong enough to kill a level 5. Met warns him to not reveal such things out in the open.

In regards to Mia
She solely exists to push the plot forward and offers little else...so text book definition plot macguffin. There is no reason for the MC to help her but yet he does...cause 'plot' mind you he just met her recently so he has no connection to her. He has every reason to help Deryl but none to her.

Early on when Mia is introduced it's not like the MC is much more attached to her than other characters who also stick around (Alice, Jess, Demi...),

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Her not being as relevant later in the story doesn't mean she was merely a "device" early on.
It also surprised me to think someone would take Jared's claims at face value, even if daddy indeed will go the extra mile for him compared to others.

 

[ItzSyther]

lol what, what's wrong with Mia? And "pedo arrow of doom that screams dead end"?

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I already explained both but I'll do so again.

Mia: Mia is nothing more than a Macguffin. She exists to push the plot forward and nothing else. The MC has no reason to help her but yet for no real reason other than 'plot' does. He hasn't known her for long at all but he's treating her like she's his best buddy and has to save her no matter what.

Deryl is understandable, he is the MC's best buddy but Mia shouldn't be on the same level as Deryl. Deryl has been known for years! Mia for what...a few weeks? With super brief meetings.


Jared: He has a literal arrow that can slay level 5s...come on now that literally screams "Eh yo...Macguffin that will lead you to dead end if you fuck with me. go back to prior pages if you want a more in depth break down of Jared.

 

[hrhr]

Personally, I think it will be the Twins arc, then an short in-between arc with Tiffany/Claudia cause Tiffany is a little wierd atm, then we have an Aldain arc. And after that I want to say is a riot arc where the tension between HERO and the public/government gets out of control, and MC needs to deal with the team captains basically voting to "subjugate the lesser humans", at which point MC might evolve to Level 4. Either that or Ella wakes up. Maybe both at the same time.

Would be cool if government/public opinion became more relevant

 

[ItzSyther]

Her not being as relevant later in the story doesn't mean she was merely a "device" early on.

It literally does mean that LOL.

Mia is a textbook Macguffin like come on now

She served her purpose. Depending on how the MC deals with Jake her purpose becomes even more of "I don't need to exist for the story anymore"

Jake dies: Mia is angry with MC and most likely plotting something...doesn't matter what she's just a humie who's gonna get slaughtered.

Jake is alive: She's angry at Jake and we don't see her again...why? Because she serves no purpose. If she gains powers thats cool and all but she still has no use for the story being behind so far.

She doesn't have SIN nor HERO's backing...she's just human. She won't get no revenge on MC if he killed Jake and even if she gained powers she's effectively...useless. Yeah pretty much.

Edit: IF MC killed Jake, Mia is basically in the 'Demi' category of when the MC can kill them. Angry at the MC and saying "You'll get your comeuppance for being so evil!"

Nothing happens, their story/purpose is over.

Well I suppose she still serves a single purpose. A sex scene and then can be tossed away effectively for good.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

It literally does mean that LOL.

Mia is a textbook Macguffin like come on now

She served her purpose. Depending on how the MC deals with Jake her purpose becomes even more of "I don't need to exist for the story anymore"

Jake dies: Mia is angry with MC and most likely plotting something...doesn't matter what she's just a humie who's gonna get slaughtered.

Jake is alive: She's angry at Jake and we don't see her again...why? Because she serves no purpose. If she gains powers thats cool and all but she still has no use for the story being behind so far.

She doesn't have SIN nor HERO's backing...she's just human. She won't get no revenge on MC if he killed Jake and even if she gained powers she's effectively...useless. Yeah pretty much.

I mean... technically we still aren't really sure why she had such a violent reaction to Jake's mind control. Personally, I took that to imply that she's genetically pre-disposed to superhumanity. Maybe she's a potential heir to the 3rd (or was it the 4th?) and affecting her memory is a big deal for her.

 

[ItzSyther]

I mean... technically we still aren't really sure why she had such a violent reaction to Jake's mind control. Personally, I took that to imply that she's genetically pre-disposed to superhumanity. Maybe she's a potential heir to the 3rd (or was it the 4th?) and affecting her memory is a big deal for her.

Her reaction could have been a number of things:

Perhaps ol Mia simply had a medical condition that wasn't revealed...cause you know the MC and the player has seen her very few times and knows little of the screaming banshee.

Or Jake did wayyyy too much and it fucked Mia up big time (likely).

Could also be what you said with her being pre-disposed to suerhumanity...I mean like thats the whole point of the Eugenics shit HERO did but then again plenty of humans still have super bad reactions to 'supernatural fuckery' (Dave and Jared's goons as example).

But at any rate what I took from that scene was Jake just being a fool and simply did too much to the lil banshee and her lil mind couldn't handle it.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Her reaction could have been a number of things:

Perhaps ol Mia simply had a medical condition that wasn't revealed...cause you know the MC and the player has seen her very few times and knows little of the screaming banshee.

Or Jake did wayyyy too much and it fucked Mia up big time (likely).

Could also be what you said with her being pre-disposed to suerhumanity...I mean like thats the whole point of the Eugenics shit HERO did but then again plenty of humans still have super bad reactions to 'supernatural fuckery' (Dave and Jared's goons as example).

But at any rate what I took from that scene was Jake just being a fool and simply did too much to the lil banshee and her lil mind couldn't handle it.

Yes, but recall she still had a violent reaction when MC and Jake (if you spared him) repaired her mind.

 

[ItzSyther]

Yes, but recall she still had a violent reaction when MC and Jake (if you spared him) repaired her mind.

I'm pretty sure anyone (human) would have a violent or bad reaction if they were having their mind literally fixed up and having their memories restored.

That doesn't really go in the favor of "OH SHIT SHE'S POTENTIALLY A SUPERHUMIE!" to me.

Does she still have the same violent reaction if its just MC?

I do wonder if Mia was on Ella's list of candidates but I doubt it since MC didn't mention her at all being on it when he saw it.

Edit: just hopped in to see if its the same. Her reaction is tame at best when MC fixes her up with some minor pain at least tellin by her reaction to it.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I'm pretty sure anyone (human) would have a violent or bad reaction if they were having their mind literally fixed up and having their memories restored.

That doesn't really go in the favor of "OH SHIT SHE'S POTENTIALLY A SUPERHUMIE!" to me.

Does she still have the same violent reaction if its just MC?

I do wonder if Mia was on Ella's list of candidates but I doubt it since MC didn't mention her at all being on it when he saw it.

I don't have a save ready to see, so that would be a couple minutes of fast forwarding. Also I'm pretty sure Ella's list was mostly comprised of perfect or near-perfect matches.

 

[ItzSyther]

KingAgamemnon

Edit: just hopped in to see if its the same. Her reaction is tame at best when MC fixes her up with some minor pain at least tellin by her reaction to it.

This more or less confirms to me that Jake is the problem.

Whatever his power directly does to Mia fucks with her reallll bad which would explain why she'd have a violent outburst since his power is the one that put her in the position she was in.

MC's memory echo probably effects her mind in such a way that it doesn't trigger the same reaction Jake's does.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

KingAgamemnon

This more or less confirms to me that Jake is the problem.

Whatever his power directly does to Mia fucks with her reallll bad which would explain why she'd have a violent outburst since his power is the one that put her in the position she was in.

MC's memory echo probably effects her mind in such a way that it doesn't trigger the same reaction Jake's does.

I couldn't find the day in time, otherwise I would've searched the scripts for it. But I still do find it strange that Mia is the only one we know of that has this violent reaction to Jake's powers. Like, Deryl had his brainwashing interrupted mid-way through and he still came out of it mostly unscathed. I can't recall off the top of my head if Ella fixed him or not though.

EDIT: Yeah, Deryl came out of it totally unscathed, just a minor headache.

 

[ItzSyther]

I couldn't find the day in time, otherwise I would've searched the scripts for it. But I still do find it strange that Mia is the only one we know of that has this violent reaction to Jake's powers. Like, Deryl had his brainwashing interrupted mid-way through and he still came out of it mostly unscathed. I can't recall off the top of my head if Ella fixed him or not though.

EDIT: Yeah, Deryl came out of it totally unscathed, just a minor headache.

Don't forget the most important part of that scene...not Deryl or Mia but the fact Jake was about to undergo an evolution.

He, much like Mia doubled over in pain but he did it because of his evolution so perhaps his power had some of that evolutionary charge on it and it fucked with her badly.

Deryl, the reason why he didn't have any pain was because he wasn't on the receiving end of a evolutionary burst from Jake.

Mia however was.

IF jake is still alive and assists the MC that just tells me that Mia's mind remembers the feeling of Jake's power which means she remembers the pain hence her reaction.

It explains why the MC could do it without a big reaction to it.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Don't forget the most important part of that scene...not Deryl or Mia but the fact Jake was about to undergo an evolution.

He, much like Mia doubled over in pain but he did it because of his evolution so perhaps his power had some of that evolutionary charge on it and it fucked with her badly.

Deryl, the reason why he didn't have any pain was because he wasn't on the receiving end of a evolutionary burst from Jake.

Mia however was.

IF jake is still alive and assists the MC that just tells me that Mia's mind remembers the feeling of Jake's power which means she remembers the pain hence her reaction.

It explains why the MC could do it without a big reaction to it.

Hm, not sure I totally agree with that reasoning for why the repair process still hurt Mia, but I don't really have a better argument to make.

 

[ItzSyther]

Hm, not sure I totally agree with that reasoning for why the repair process still hurt Mia, but I don't really have a better argument to make.

Lemme know when you have the time to play back to that scene if Jake is there to assist MC.

Because from what I saw (if MC consumes Jake) her reaction as I said prior is tame.

If Jake being there causes a reaction that just means he's the wild variable for her pain which reinforces my prior reasoning.

 

[bloodaxis]

I couldn't find the day in time, otherwise I would've searched the scripts for it. But I still do find it strange that Mia is the only one we know of that has this violent reaction to Jake's powers. Like, Deryl had his brainwashing interrupted mid-way through and he still came out of it mostly unscathed. I can't recall off the top of my head if Ella fixed him or not though.

EDIT: Yeah, Deryl came out of it totally unscathed, just a minor headache.

It's possible it's just because she was way more fragile mentally to begin with.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

So, here's miarestore:

Mia "What do I have to do?"
You "Just sit still and stay calm. I'm about to start..."
play sound "audio/laser.mp3"
scene bonfire57 with dissolve
You "*deep breath* Memory Eccho-"
scene black with dissolve
stop music fadeout 3.0
"I cut lightly into Mia's hand, delivering my power with the wound."
"A surge of memories rush through me, into Mia."
"My own, and also what I've taken from Jake, the host of memories locked away inside me after I devoured him..."
"Everything we know of Mia, everything we've experienced with her."
"Those memories resonate inside her, surging towards the dark shadow left by Jake's command, the gaping cavaty in Mia's mind."
"Our memories flood and fill it, closing the gap and drawing out what was lost to her."
"Piece by piece, they're consumed and overtaken, by Mia's true memories, retrieved and restored from the fractured shadow, using our memories as a base to build off of."
"It takes several minutes, maybe even an hour, I'm not sure, it's difficult to percieve time from within Mia's memories. But once I am done, she is whole again, Mia once more."
scene bonfire1
show mia cry flip at left2
show bmc nt at right2
with dissolve
Mia "Urrghh..."
You "Mia? Do you remember?"

and here's jakemiarestore:

Jake "I order you Mia. Remember everything."
play sound "audio/mind.mp3"
scene bonfire55 with dissolve
Mia "A-AaaaAarrghh!!!"
Jake "I-It's not working, it's hurting her again!"
scene bonfire57 with dissolve
You "Step aside."
scene black with dissolve
stop music fadeout 2.0
You "*deep breath* Memory Echo-"
"I cut lightly into Mia's hand, delivering my power with the wound."
"A surge of memories rush through me, into Mia."
"My own, and also what I've taken from Jake as I grab his arm..."
"Everything we know of Mia, everything we've experienced with her."
"Those memories resonate inside her, latching on to the dark shadow dragged up by Jake's command, the gaping cavaty in Mia's mind."
"Our memories flood and fill it, closing the gap and drawing out what was lost to her."
"Piece by piece, they're consumed and overtaken, by Mia's true memories, retrieved and restored from the fractured shadow, using ours as a base to build off of."
"It takes several minutes, maybe even an hour, I'm not sure, it's difficult to perceive time from within Mia's memories. But once I am done, she is whole again, Mia once more."
Mia "Urrghh..."
"Mia wipes the blood from her nose with a groan. The process seems to have physically affected her, but it looks temporary, not a big deal."

Hmmm. You're right, there's no mention of pain if Jake isn't there. I'll need to think on this for a moment.