VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[Grimnir098]

nah, H.E.R.O. misjudged the level of the threat is all. plus they did state that there are multiple level 5 threats or potential threats in the world and those 12 are busy with it. If I remember correctly some are even recuperating/healing. I think the Earth in the game is bigger than ours, like a kind of super earth

it's like in halo, imagine, 700-800 human worlds with maybe roughly the same number of big ass ships, but the aliens have 4000 and counting. The whole thing is a losing game.

More like Bernhardt misjudged the level of the threat. And whoever suggested he send Kira and Elijah.
Bramon told Bernhardt to go personally.

 

[TheShelly]

God, for having 12 level 5s H.E.R.O sure is fucking useless

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Correction: Kira and Elijah are fucking useless (against Chosen).

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Yeah, the screw-ups in the Eisheth capture mission were pretty much entirely on Bernhardt. He didn't seem to pay it much attention or consider it worth investing resources or effort into. Like, the briefing for it lasted all of a minute before dismissing everyone, and he wasn't even originally planning on giving the MC any backup at all. The man did not care about the mission's success in the slightest.

 

[GoblinLover01]

nah, H.E.R.O. misjudged the level of the threat is all. plus they did state that there are multiple level 5 threats or potential threats in the world and those 12 are busy with it. If I remember correctly some are even recuperating/healing. I think the Earth in the game is bigger than ours, like a kind of super earth

it's like in halo, imagine, 700-800 human worlds with maybe roughly the same number of big ass ships, but the aliens have 4000 and counting. The whole thing is a losing game.

But they have a person who can see the future, right? He couldn't predict the future of this operation after predicting when Eisheth would come? Maybe he can't predict changed futures idk

 

[far013]

Fight, kills and sex. All that people want, but unfortunately, so few devs understand this.

 

[AronsKets]

But they have a person who can see the future, right? He couldn't predict the future of this operation after predicting when Eisheth would come? Maybe he can't predict changed futures idk

From my understanding, Deus predicted when she would come, so HERO went and tried prepare an ambush, while Nez predicted that Eisheth would try to find and take them at all. Thats all info that was provided without who is the best pick to go and how everything would go on a mission. Though, I think Deus knew that the mission would fail, but didn't tell anyone for his own reasons.

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I just doubt that he had no idea at all about it, because it is connected to MC, even if it is not related to him specifically. But maybe I am giving him too much credit after his DeadEnd and TV shenanigans.

 

[shujuku]

But they have a person who can see the future, right? He couldn't predict the future of this operation after predicting when Eisheth would come? Maybe he can't predict changed futures idk

Lochans ability seems to be weird as he can seemingly go into different time periods and thats how he also beats MC in one dead end. However we don't know at what costs he does said time leap.

 

[jjtom000]

I assume that depends how her power works. IIRC it was never really described to be anti-life or the likes, but rather negative energy. The name of the power, and her showing when Michael and Tiffany were evolving, makes one think she drains someone's monster power.

If you look at her ability like that, she'd be positively useless against anyone with power relative to or higher than hers, in other words, Bernhardt, Henri, and Malik, possibly even some or all other level 5s.

It could even be argued that Ella was only affected so drastically and/or quickly by Nyx's move because Malik greatly tired her power reserves beforehand, as I remember someone (Malik I think?) saying Ella's invulnerability thing probably used a lot of energy, not to mention Ella practically went through a gauntlet beforehand. Otherwise, it could be argued that Ella just had lower power reserves compared to the average level 5 since she just recently evolved.

Then again, she does have abilities directly related to life (or death rather), such as resurrecting someone, so there may be more to it than that, but we can't quite tell.

Not really, after Nyx killed Ella, Malik himself stated that "if Nyx got you, you are got", implying Nyx's instant death ability is basically absolute and cannot be negated by simple power level difference even for the trio. However, from what Nyx said when she used it, it looks like the ability while powerful, has limited accuracy(and likely limited range), so the trio should be able to easily evade it/blitz her before she uses the ability(remember Bern is literally faster than a monster that can teleport) or engage in range combat to avoid the attack, so they will still stomp her in a fight. But if they just stand there and face-tank it? They likely won't survive.

 

[jjtom000]

Literally authority. Absurdly broken. Anyone having relation to the 1st apostle are overpowered. Like Charlie for example.
Back to Jake, as a lvl 1 can already influence a lvl 4, the spike lady, if I recall correctly, albeit by only making small suggestions, still though, that's a feat in itself. Only a handful can resist it, and at lvl 2 he can take over a damn city, the utility and range of its might is mind boggling.

So yes, if Jake reached lvl 5, he would be annoying to deal with. But will MC lose???

Lexi was level 5 when Jake did that. She and Clark evolved using the serum in the fight against Ella. So even more impressive.

 

[jjtom000]

I'm curious about just how broken Jake would be like if he ever reach level 5. Could be absurdly broken like being able to command things not to exist ala Mum forgetting attacks or hell the opposite where he commands things to exist could be possible. + all his MC BS on everyone other than level 5s.

I recall Ella saying that his power is not supposed to be only able to affect living things and it turns out that way only because of Jake's mentality. So his power should be able to affect objects even at lv1 if the host is not such a pussy.

 

[jjtom000]

His character profile says he spent 10 years fighting in the military and was one of the most gifted soldiers of his generation.

Well, "one of the most gifted soldiers of his generation" wasn't even enough to describe someone like Micheal from what we've seen, and he got plenty of similar or higher praise from the narrative. But given Met(who is basically as skilled as Michael) has such high regard for Oscar, they should all be comparable in skills and were likely some of the most renowned fighters when they were human.

 

[JmTrad]

Well, "one of the most gifted soldiers of his generation" wasn't even enough to describe someone like Micheal, since he got plenty of similar or higher praise from the narrative. But given Met(who is basically as skilled as Michael) has such high regard for Oscar, they should all be comparable in skills and were likely some of the most renowned fighters when they were human.

From Oscar profile looks like the peak of human skill would be above 70, maybe between 70-100? I believe Michael would be even higher than human Oscar.

 

[jjtom000]

And Even With This Insane Power Increase
He Lost To Mc And Deryl Who Were Already Tired And At Their Limit Of Their Powers
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TBF MC and Deryl would still lose even if they made all the optimal choices in the fight if Amberliz didn't save their asses. And while they were not at their peak conditions they were by no means at the limit of their power, more like 60%-70% of their full power. Cole is still a dumbass tho, Deyrl AND MC roasting the loser when he reminiscing Ella is peak comedy.

 

[jjtom000]

Lochans ability seems to be weird as he can seemingly go into different time periods and thats how he also beats MC in one dead end. However we don't know at what costs he does said time leap.

Lochans ability seems to be weird as he can seemingly go into different time periods and thats how he also beats MC in one dead end. However we don't know at what costs he does said time leap.

Remember everything that happens in canon is part of Deus's plan.

 

[OnlineRando]

Not really, after Nyx killed Ella, Malik himself stated that "if Nyx got you, you are got", implying Nyx's instant death ability is basically absolute and cannot be negated by simple power level difference even for the trio. However, from what Nyx said when she used it, it looks like the ability while powerful, has limited accuracy(and likely limited range), so the trio should be able to easily evade it/blitz her before she uses the ability(remember Bern is literally faster than a monster that can teleport) or engage in range combat to avoid the attack, so they will still stomp her in a fight. But if they just stand there and face-tank it? They likely won't survive.

Well, that would depend on the definition of got. What does her getting you mean? Simply hitting you? or properly activating her ability on you? Or just that if you are killed by her, it's definitive?

It's just a bit too vague to definitively say, especially since the only other showings of her ability (that I can remember) besides her killing Ella her power has are the revival mark, and draining Tiffany and Michael's power at their evolution.

That gives the impression that her ability is at least slightly dependent on affecting her opponent's monster power, specifically draining it, and it'd be weird to assume she can just drain an infinite amount of power instantly, regardless of her opponent.

And regarding the definition of what her getting someone means, personally I'd say the most likely one is her properly activating her ability on someone, meaning it drains all their energy.

The reason I say that is that it's a pretty sure-fire way to definitively kill someone. Compared to, say, Malik, who can reduce you to atoms, Nyx's killing method is more conclusive, because while there may be some powers (like Ella's) that allow someone to either resist or survive being reduced to atoms or having your organs painted onto the ground or whatever else, simply draining someone of all their monster power, which is connected to a superhuman's life iirc, ensures that they won't survive.

 

[MattiaBinotto]

I recall Ella saying that his power is not supposed to be only able to affect living things and it turns out that way only because of Jake's mentality. So his power should be able to affect objects even at lv1 if the host is not such a pussy.

He should be able to command objects after MC helps him during Authority's puppet dream, he did command the strings to release the MC iirc. I see that as a foreshadow similar to Alice's desire to find a wormhole during her dream.

 

[MattiaBinotto]

From Oscar profile looks like the peak of human skill would be above 70, maybe between 70-100? I believe Michael would be even higher than human Oscar.

Current Michael is superior for sure, but Human Michael was probably around the same skill level. Oscar did kill the monster that attacked him and it probably took him by surprise.

 

[Dayswithoutincident69]

From my understanding, Deus predicted when she would come, so HERO went and tried prepare an ambush, while Nez predicted that Eisheth would try to find and take them at all. Thats all info that was provided without who is the best pick to go and how everything would go on a mission. Though, I think Deus knew that the mission would fail, but didn't tell anyone for his own reasons.

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I just doubt that he had no idea at all about it, because it is connected to MC, even if it is not related to him specifically. But maybe I am giving him too much credit after his DeadEnd and TV shenanigans.

yeah, deus has and does his own thing. I think Deus' future sight is written a lot like Dr Manhattan's. future sight doesn't give you freedom, you're just a puppet that can see the strings.

 

[Grimnir098]

But they have a person who can see the future, right? He couldn't predict the future of this operation after predicting when Eisheth would come? Maybe he can't predict changed futures idk

The person who can see the future is Deus, and it's heavily implied that he's intentionally not telling HERO certain things (like the fact that Del would leak MC's identity to the press) for his own reasons. It's safe to assume he wanted Liz, Amber, MC, and Deryl to be captured.

 

[elflistener]

Yeah, Deus almost certainly has his own agenda that may or may not be in HERO's best interests.