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OnlineRando

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Yeah, as Rabbid above said, WW has stated that there is no difference in quality between a natural evolution and one forced by the serum, if anything the latter just eliminate the 'barrier' that may exist for some Superhumans, this is more a theory that the fandom like, but is possible that there is people that were never meant to reach their Final Evo. Elijah and Kira being weaker in their 5's than Bernhardt and Henri on their fourth's might be an example of that, but yeah, whatever is wrong with Malik, Berni and Henri don't have to do with them being natural level 5
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Yeah, as Rabbid above said, WW has stated that there is no difference in quality between a natural evolution and one forced by the serum, if anything the latter just eliminate the 'barrier' that may exist for some Superhumans, this is more a theory that the fandom like, but is possible that there is people that were never meant to reach their Final Evo. Elijah and Kira being weaker in their 5's than Bernhardt and Henri on their fourth's might be an example of that, but yeah, whatever is wrong with Malik, Berni and Henri don't have to do with them being natural level 5
My theory is that the big 3 are the ones who were never meant to reach their final evo. Because they are leagues stronger than they should ever be. The Berni literally 1v1 a CHOSEN and overpowered her. The same chosen that was toying with 2 level 5's like a joke. Level 5 is big but it doesn't feel like it should have even been this big for the big 3.
 

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But what about Nyx and Duplicate-Guy, they are lvl 5 too for quite some time, arent they? Did they used the same method you think the big three used? They seem to be corrupted on different levels too and neither became a chosen. Yet they seem weaker than the big three.

And how is Ella who evolved with the serum to lvl 5 a chosen if this proccess is supposed to skip the whole thing according to your theory? And wasnt Ella a chosen with lvl 4 already? So far it seems more likey that the Chosen chose their successor (if he/she prevails) no? Like Aos with Alice and maybe Syla with Ella.

I think the part about the judge and the mc being flawed/unwhole is related to something different than evolution stage, Ella already confirmed that the mc dont has to worry about it and that hes perfect. I guess its something Syla took from the MC and which will return to him at some point similar to the memorys.
 

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But what about Nyx and Duplicate-Guy, they are lvl 5 too for quite some time, arent they? Did they used the same method you think the big three used? They seem to be corrupted on different levels too and neither became a chosen. Yet they seem weaker than the big three.

And how is Ella who evolved with the serum to lvl 5 a chosen if this proccess is supposed to skip the whole thing according to your theory? And wasnt Ella a chosen with lvl 4 already? So far it seems more likey that the Chosen chose their successor (if he/she prevails) no? Like Aos with Alice and maybe Syla with Ella.

I think the part about the judge and the mc being flawed/unwhole is related to something different than evolution stage, Ella already confirmed that the mc dont has to worry about it and that hes perfect. I guess its something Syla took from the MC and which will return to him at some point similar to the memorys.
Since the serum was considered a new thing when Clark and Alexis used it against Ella, that means that both Nyx and Lucius, alongside EVERY SINGLE other superhuman in H.E.R.O other than the big three, was at max a level 4 around when the story started.

As for Ella, she probably failed to trigger that evolution, just like the H.E.R.O superhumans who used the serum... aka almost everyone. Either that, or she didn't want to trigger it naturally for some reason. She might be acting as the third's chosen right now for some reason, but planning on doing something that goes against his goals, so she didn't want to be under his scrutiny/control as a claimed vessel.

As for the last part, I'm not sure what you mean by what you say. I was referring to how the judge told MC that he will be unwhole until he "cleaved", aka separated himself, from "mother and father".

Now, I doubt that refers to Syla and Stephen, so that can only refer to separating from the 3rd and 4th.
 
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WW has already stated that natural evolutions are not better, the big 3 are just built different
WW also constantly lies to hide future plot twists and I don't believe that bs for a single millisecond. There is a reason why natural 5th evolutions are extremely dangerous and why only 3 survived them.
 
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But what about Nyx and Duplicate-Guy, they are lvl 5 too for quite some time, arent they? Did they used the same method you think the big three used? They seem to be corrupted on different levels too and neither became a chosen. Yet they seem weaker than the big three.

And how is Ella who evolved with the serum to lvl 5 a chosen if this proccess is supposed to skip the whole thing according to your theory? And wasnt Ella a chosen with lvl 4 already? So far it seems more likey that the Chosen chose their successor (if he/she prevails) no? Like Aos with Alice and maybe Syla with Ella.

I think the part about the judge and the mc being flawed/unwhole is related to something different than evolution stage, Ella already confirmed that the mc dont has to worry about it and that hes perfect. I guess its something Syla took from the MC and which will return to him at some point similar to the memorys.
All other captains used serums actually so nyx, lucius and Zack all achieved it via the serum unlike the big three.
 

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Is there any use for the items you can buy at the shop? Should i be saving up money for something before certain story chapters?
 
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Is there any use for the items you can buy at the shop? Should i be saving up money for something before certain story chapters?
For the early game, there's no practical use. The sex toys unlock some masturbation scenes, but that's it. Save your money.

Mid-game, after the fight at the Diamond Mountains, Shopkeep switches to selling items that give stat bonuses. Nothing huge, but they're useful. I recommend prioritizing the ones that gives Skill (the spine and vertebra) over Power (the claw and talon), since Skill is harder to come by and the spine also unlocks a scene later on if you buy another thing Shopkeep sells further into the game. The energy drink can probably be skipped, its only purpose is to help you pass one specific Power check. If you've been training whenever possible and gotten other bonus Power options, you shouldn't need it.

Whatever you buy, you're going to want to save $32000. Once you get access to the dream world, you'll find that Shopkeep has a shop there, too. Make sure to visit his shop before you do any other optional things in the dream world, because for $12000 he sells an item that unlocks a pretty interesting scene, that gets even more interesting if you've also bought the spine from earlier like I said. The other $20000 is for a mystery box that his dream world shop will sell later on, we don't know what that does yet but it's probably worth picking up.

Finally, in this very latest update, Shopkeep starts accepting Power points as a currency. The items he sells are pretty hefty costs. He'll exchange Power for money, giving you $50000 in exchange for 10 Power, which suggests that money might be of use later on. He sells two items that will raise or lower your Corruption by thirty points for 20 Power. And he sells an item that raises Skill by 3 in exchange for 30 Power.

Shopkeep also implies that we may need every bit of Power we have soon, though, since he is willing to extend a line of credit for his store. He'll give you one of those items for free now, so you'll be at full strength for upcoming events. but add an additional 5 Power charge when he eventually comes to collect. I say make a save before you go for any of the Power deals, just in case next update there's a Power check you won't pass if you bought anything.
 

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For the early game, there's no practical use. The sex toys unlock some masturbation scenes, but that's it. Save your money.

Mid-game, after the fight at the Diamond Mountains, Shopkeep switches to selling items that give stat bonuses. Nothing huge, but they're useful. I recommend prioritizing the ones that gives Skill (the spine and vertebra) over Power (the claw and talon), since Skill is harder to come by and the spine also unlocks a scene later on if you buy another thing Shopkeep sells further into the game. The energy drink can probably be skipped, its only purpose is to help you pass one specific Power check. If you've been training whenever possible and gotten other bonus Power options, you shouldn't need it.

Whatever you buy, you're going to want to save $32000. Once you get access to the dream world, you'll find that Shopkeep has a shop there, too. Make sure to visit his shop before you do any other optional things in the dream world, because for $12000 he sells an item that unlocks a pretty interesting scene, that gets even more interesting if you've also bought the spine from earlier like I said. The other $20000 is for a mystery box that his dream world shop will sell later on, we don't know what that does yet but it's probably worth picking up.

Finally, in this very latest update, Shopkeep starts accepting Power points as a currency. The items he sells are pretty hefty costs. He'll exchange Power for money, giving you $50000 in exchange for 10 Power, which suggests that money might be of use later on. He sells two items that will raise or lower your Corruption by thirty points for 20 Power. And he sells an item that raises Skill by 3 in exchange for 30 Power.

Shopkeep also implies that we may need every bit of Power we have soon, though, since he is willing to extend a line of credit for his store. He'll give you one of those items for free now, so you'll be at full strength for upcoming events. but add an additional 5 Power charge when he eventually comes to collect. I say make a save before you go for any of the Power deals, just in case next update there's a Power check you won't pass if you bought anything.
The mystery box is a surprise tool that will help us later!
Anyway what mystery box? I don't remember that. Also what scene with the spine?
 
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The mystery box is a surprise tool that will help us later!
Anyway what mystery box? I don't remember that. Also what scene with the spine?
Going into spoilers just in case: The raffle ticket. We don't know what that does yet, so it's effectively a mystery box. Will it be awesome, will it be disappointing, will it save our lives, who knows? As for the scene with the spine, if you bought it then the Vestige of the seahumans will be willing to talk to you. Otherwise they just dismiss you, and you miss out on that conversation.
 

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Going into spoilers just in case: The raffle ticket. We don't know what that does yet, so it's effectively a mystery box. Will it be awesome, will it be disappointing, will it save our lives, who knows? As for the scene with the spine, if you bought it then the Vestige of the seahumans will be willing to talk to you. Otherwise they just dismiss you, and you miss out on that conversation.
I seriously don't know what the first one is about, I guess I missed that... but by the vestige of the seahumans, you mean the sphere thing in the dream realm? After you meet with Henri? Didn't know that convo was choice dependent.
 
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I seriously don't know what the first one is about, I guess I missed that... but by the vestige of the seahumans, you mean the sphere thing in the dream realm? After you meet with Henri? Didn't know that convo was choice dependent.
Yep, that's the Vestige. If you don't have the spine, it just goes "you have nothing of interest for me, go away".

And the raffle ticket is something Shopkeep sells the first time you go into the dream city in the monster world arc. I think he doesn't even offer it if you don't have enough money, so that might be why you missed it.
 
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Yep, that's the Vestige. If you don't have the spine, it just goes "you have nothing of interest for me, go away".

And the raffle ticket is something Shopkeep sells the first time you go into the dream city in the monster world arc. I think he doesn't even offer it if you don't have enough money, so that might be why you missed it.
You know what, I think I just bought the energy drink... which was a total waste because by then my power was like in the four to six hundreds probably, basically maxed to that point.
 
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For the early game, there's no practical use. The sex toys unlock some masturbation scenes, but that's it. Save your money.

Mid-game, after the fight at the Diamond Mountains, Shopkeep switches to selling items that give stat bonuses. Nothing huge, but they're useful. I recommend prioritizing the ones that gives Skill (the spine and vertebra) over Power (the claw and talon), since Skill is harder to come by and the spine also unlocks a scene later on if you buy another thing Shopkeep sells further into the game. The energy drink can probably be skipped, its only purpose is to help you pass one specific Power check. If you've been training whenever possible and gotten other bonus Power options, you shouldn't need it.

Whatever you buy, you're going to want to save $32000. Once you get access to the dream world, you'll find that Shopkeep has a shop there, too. Make sure to visit his shop before you do any other optional things in the dream world, because for $12000 he sells an item that unlocks a pretty interesting scene, that gets even more interesting if you've also bought the spine from earlier like I said. The other $20000 is for a mystery box that his dream world shop will sell later on, we don't know what that does yet but it's probably worth picking up.

Finally, in this very latest update, Shopkeep starts accepting Power points as a currency. The items he sells are pretty hefty costs. He'll exchange Power for money, giving you $50000 in exchange for 10 Power, which suggests that money might be of use later on. He sells two items that will raise or lower your Corruption by thirty points for 20 Power. And he sells an item that raises Skill by 3 in exchange for 30 Power.

Shopkeep also implies that we may need every bit of Power we have soon, though, since he is willing to extend a line of credit for his store. He'll give you one of those items for free now, so you'll be at full strength for upcoming events. but add an additional 5 Power charge when he eventually comes to collect. I say make a save before you go for any of the Power deals, just in case next update there's a Power check you won't pass if you bought anything.
Bro can you tell me all the things that you bought from Shopkeeper?
So I can have an idea of what to buy from him
 
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