OnlineRando

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Wait what? When? I only remember Deus appearing twice, once when we infiltrate HERO, and once when he met Valravn
It happens in a bad end during the S.I.N. invasion arc/the battle of diamonds. I recommend you play it yourself if you've got a near save, but read ahead if you don't/don't want to.

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BenoTF25

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That line of Ella's got me thinking, when discussing who the MC lost their virginity too, Ella says "maybe next time round" not this line is almost certainly just a 4th wall break, but if not, on that slim chance its not, it could mean at some point the MC goes into the past.

At the moment the MC is very weak in comparison with the big threats, time travel is a thing, so what the MC is flung back into the past, a one shot last ditch effort by Zack so he can get ready, he would disguise himself and interact with an earlier Ella.
I think is more possible than their universe simply resets. The Chaos Memory narrate how at the end, after the three that prepared being defeated, Chaos 'burn it all' and everything was reborn, probably the Chaos Arbiter is able to recreate the universe, or the universe itself is set to be reborn after certain circumstances, Ella might known about it, and just hope to be her on the next iteration

That or like you said, was just a rupture of the fourth wall, she has done that before after all, MC too.
 

BenoTF25

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About the possibility of the time travel, I seriously dobut it would be possible, since the creator of SH(WeirdWorld) himself don't seem exactly fond of that type of plot, time traveling to the past I mean.

More than that, Deus who is most likely the one that could make it happen(Since Zack powers are more about loops), is just plain out incapable of it, or for some reason don't see it as an option, he is trying to fix things on the present, and needs the MC for the future, but not once has implied going back to change things, beyond of course when he fought the Eye, but even that, we don't know if Deus actually attacked him from the past, he could also have going to other plane like the Dreamworld, and cut the Eye's connection to the upper plane from there.
 

BenoTF25

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is actually crazy to know that out there on SH's universe, there are Worlds, beyond the main one MC and his group were on with Monsters still remaining from far past invasions. The ones seen at the end of the last update for instance, were stated by narrator to had outlived planets, so they were probably older than most Chosen, Glae and Indra being the exceptions.

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Also, Malik didn't just one shot them, he killed them quickly but it wasn't an execution, but a fight, so those things were surely S Class at least, i can totally see one alone being able to take on a Lieutenant of HERO: other interesting thing about those monsters, is that WeirdWorld on his first stream after the update(April 5 I think it was?) when asked about Monsters that were never human, he mentioned the ones Malik slay as an example just that MC hasn't been around such type just yet. Now Earth is also being flooded by that class of Monsters, worse still, neither Bernhardt or Henri can go all out and just one shot them, since that would entail wrecking the planet itself, my point is, Earth is fucked, MC or not.
 

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Well, we know from our brief forays into Nia and the others that the average human doesn't have too much of a different lifestyle, just that there's a constant eclipse and an enforced cerfew. H.E.R.O. is blasting on cylinders sure, but life should be more or less normal for most people.
 
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Well, we know from our brief forays into Nia and the others that the average human doesn't have too much of a different lifestyle, just that there's a constant eclipse and an enforced cerfew. H.E.R.O. is blasting on cylinders sure, but life should be more or less normal for most people.
Yeah, but that was back at the start of the invasion. It's going to escalate past what H.E.R.O. can manage. It may have already. We saw that dream of Indra rampaging through a city, and the MC and friends returning to a city being attacked by giant monsters is the end of this update. H.E.R.O. is clearly losing ground, and are only going to lose more unless something changes. Maybe that's why Malik's in space, they sent him out to find a silver bullet.
 

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is actually crazy to know that out there on SH's universe, there are Worlds, beyond the main one MC and his group were on with Monsters still remaining from far past invasions. The ones seen at the end of the last update for instance, were stated by narrator to had outlived planets, so they were probably older than most Chosen, Glae and Indra being the exceptions.

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Also, Malik didn't just one shot them, he killed them quickly but it wasn't an execution, but a fight, so those things were surely S Class at least, i can totally see one alone being able to take on a Lieutenant of HERO: other interesting thing about those monsters, is that WeirdWorld on his first stream after the update(April 5 I think it was?) when asked about Monsters that were never human, he mentioned the ones Malik slay as an example just that MC hasn't been around such type just yet. Now Earth is also being flooded by that class of Monsters, worse still, neither Bernhardt or Henri can go all out and just one shot them, since that would entail wrecking the planet itself, my point is, Earth is fucked, MC or not.
I agree with most of what you say, but if it is feasible for the MC to get anything done (and also Henri), I would make two points:

The first will never happen, that they exploit the world; they may or may not, the why is because that is against what God wants. The idea is that it feeds; it has to have a place to take root and start eating (I will also add that, although Malik did it, he did it in a world that we do not know its dimensions and that is a shell of what it was).

And the second one was already seen that there are ways to be able to fight with everything being outside the earth, from teleporting them to space that, as Nico tells us, for a level 5 (and I wouldn't be surprised if 4), space is a viable place, a pocket dimension and even for a dimension change to the immaterial world (I can imagine the future option of the MC).
 

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Yeah, but that was back at the start of the invasion. It's going to escalate past what H.E.R.O. can manage. It may have already. We saw that dream of Indra rampaging through a city, and the MC and friends returning to a city being attacked by giant monsters is the end of this update. H.E.R.O. is clearly losing ground, and are only going to lose more unless something changes. Maybe that's why Malik's in space, they sent him out to find a silver bullet.
Probably the work of Aglaecwif or the Hexenringe, or Malik himself preferred to take the fight to a safer place, or lastly, entered one of the portals to try to wipe out one of the monster planets

Hero is certainly losing ground, but to be honest, I don't think they care, Bramon Xanthe doesn't care. Humanity is worthless now, why should they care about weak humans in an all-out war? No, actually, all this is still great for them, the more monsters that come in, the more and more people can become superhumans, and I still remember the scene well, where Bramon and Dexter laughed happily at the situation, even knowing that the Apostles were starting to move, even knowing that literal GODS were coming, the two nutters laughed, either they have complete trust in Malik, Bernhardt and Henrick, or they are psychotic lunatics
 

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It's a popular theory, but is yet to be confirmed. If you ask Aglaecwif about what the "greatest power" is, she mentions something called Order that's made by combining Authority and Power, and says that it's just one of an entire group of ultimate abilities. Given that Authority and Power are one of the Apostle pairs, people assumed that every set of Apostles has an ultimate ability made by combining their powers. This idea is reinforced by the poems the MC hears when connecting to the minds of the Apostles in the dream world. Each pair of Apostles mentions a common concept. Since Aurthority and Power's common concept is "order", it's assumed that the common concepts are the names of their combined powers. But it's all just conjecture at this point, nothing has been confirmed.


The Arbiters are a set of beings that are probably the predecessors to the Apostles. We don't have a ton of information. If you ask Aglaecwif about the gods that monsters worship, she'll say that the oldest monster pray for the return of the Arbiters. Later on, Tanos mentions them when talking about his investigations into the origins of monsters, saying that they're an uncommon myth among monsters that mentions six godlike beings that all the others are descended from. Ella can be asked about them if you heard about them from Aglaecwif, to which she responds that she's surprised Aglaecwif mentioned them and that most monsters seem afraid that talking about them will anger the Apostles. And if you enter the Chaos flame at the temple in the latest update, you see a memory of a being that was once part of a group of six, before three of their member were abducted and split into pairs of twin monsters.

The most common interpretation is that the Arbiters were the original gods of the world, but were somehow split apart into the Apostles. Going with that theory, just as the Apostles are named after the power they hold, the Arbiters would have been named after the combined power made from each set of Apostle powers. There's an accompanying theory that the "Eye", the thing that appears to the MC in visions and takes over in some Dead Ends, might be a surviving fragment of the Arbiter of Evolution. It seems to be made of a mix of Body and Memory, very old monsters recognize it, and it talks about evolution.
Thanks, yeah ive always thought combining apostle traits creates the gods abvove apostle but how did you come up with the names?
 

OmegaAlpga

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Do you guys think another variation of Arbiters is possible? Like, one based on a mix of two different Apostles—say, Memory and Fantasy? I mean, if monsters and superhumans can have mixed lineage from their monster parent (like Bernhardt, Malik, etc.), or Chosen, or even directly from the Apostles themselves (like the MC), then what’s stopping the reverse from happening?

Or is there something fundamental that prevents the creation of another Arbiter? After all, if the current theory holds, two Apostles are the divided aspects or manifestations of the original Arbiter.

That also got me thinking—maybe the Twin Outer Gods are actually responsible for creating the Apostles. I mean, they’re referred to as "twins," so there must be some deeper meaning behind that name.

Edit: Oh right, I forgot—the Chosen are supposed to be the pure ones.
 
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