VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[BenoTF25]

An all-powerful being needs nothing, but its power. If a being has a need, it isn't all powerful. It may or may not have skill, but it doesn't need it.

Something i think is relevant to that example in specific, is that no 'God' in Superhuman so far is omnipotent, not the Apostles and certainly nor the Arbiters who we know(Thanks to the chaos memory of last update)as a fact went to conflict with an unknown party and lost.

going back to the Apostles they are simply not a proper example of the type of Deity you seem to depict, we know that Spawns(such as the Queen of the Sky Humans) can grow to become something more, false gods with the power to backup the title. Henri being described as the same breed of the 'Invincible Lord', weapons of such power than if wield properly even a "God" would bring their full might in opposition, and Malik/Bernhardt are put on that same tier of danger by the Eye itself

something akin to a God with Capital G may have existed on SH, but it is either uninterested on it's creation, dead or just left the Universe, the closer thing are perhaps the Outer Twins who according to the Oldest Chosen, Aglaecwif are the only true gods of the bunch, but even them are speculation.

 

[BenoTF25]

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There are so many things that it's hard to pinpoint some. One of the best things are his ramblings about Shadow's love...

Then there are his always shocking NSFW memes that come out of Hell itself given their horrifying nature...

Overall he's a cool guy but if you try to fight him in a troll-meme war, trust me, you'll lose not only the war but your very innocence and dignity

what type of villians lurk in this thread brother

 

[hsuaisbsjsh]

I wonder if Superhuman 2 would have a different mc and different powers. Like Instead of shapeshifting, he'd have soulstealing and he can integrate parts of his enemies soul into himself and gain their powers. Maybe even keep a few souls as his pets and call them out when he needs.

if ww advances this mcs powers to evo 5 then that will likely be part of this mcs powers so maybe the next MC will be this mcs child

 

[Krytax123]

if ww advances this mcs powers to evo 5 then that will likely be part of this mcs powers so maybe the next MC will be this mcs child

Lmao i want to play as mc's and Aglaecwif's kid and just roam around with my bro goliath

 

[Snugglepuff]

what type of villians lurk in this thread brother

The answer to such a question, can only truly be found by going there yourself...

 

[DecadentDesires]

Something i think is relevant to that example in specific, is that no 'God' in Superhuman so far is omnipotent, not the Apostles and certainly nor the Arbiters who we know(Thanks to the chaos memory of last update)as a fact went to conflict with an unknown party and lost.

going back to the Apostles they are simply not a proper example of the type of Deity you seem to depict, we know that Spawns(such as the Queen of the Sky Humans) can grow to become something more, false gods with the power to backup the title. Henri being described as the same breed of the 'Invincible Lord', weapons of such power than if wield properly even a "God" would bring their full might in opposition, and Malik/Bernhardt are put on that same tier of danger by the Eye itself

something akin to a God with Capital G may have existed on SH, but it is either uninterested on it's creation, dead or just left the Universe, the closer thing are perhaps the Outer Twins who according to the Oldest Chosen, Aglaecwif are the only true gods of the bunch, but even them are speculation.

Oh I know. I was speaking generally outside of the context of Superhuman when discussing Power vs Skill, suggesting that Power is superior to Skill in martial combat in our world as well as the world of Superhuman. I could probably go on to suggest that that's the case in most fictional universes, but I won't because I'm not gonna provide the plethora of examples needed to defend such a position, nor waste the time.

A creator god of some sort is more probable than not considering how humanoids are placed throughout universe before being turned and conquered by the Apostles. With that said, nothing would suggest that even that creator god is near omnipotent.


Lastly, I think divine entities creating beings and allowing those beings to usurp them in power is the epitome of stupidity. It would be like Man purposefully trying to create powerful, self aware AI and being surprised that it decides to escape or rebel against its position of servitude. Wouldn't you?

There are so many things that it's hard to pinpoint some. One of the best things are his ramblings about Shadow's love...

Then there are his always shocking NSFW memes that come out of Hell itself given their horrifying nature...

Overall he's a cool guy but if you try to fight him in a troll-meme war, trust me, you'll lose not only the war but your very innocence and dignity

Thanks for the info and warning. Sounds like a fun guy, I must see some of these NSFW images myself. Lord of Dark preserve me, though my innocence has already been lost.

 

[Snugglepuff]

but I won't because I'm not gonna provide the plethora of examples needed to defend such a position, nor waste the time.

Yet you're wasting your time by even bringing it up again at all...

Also I remind you, literally every example you could ever give in favour of Power over Skill, means that your exemplar for Power actually has to be skilled in using their power, no matter the scale of their power.

A creator god of some sort is more probable than not considering how humanoids are placed throughout universe before being turned and conquered by the Apostles.

Not necessarily.
Cross-dimensional travel and even superpowered individuals capable of it allows for seeding of other dimensions without the need of a deity or other higher power to create life.

Lastly, I think divine entities creating beings and allowing those beings to usurp them in power is the epitome of stupidity.

Yes, and no...
Aside from it being a common enough literary trope, it's basically a derivative of polytheistic religions where despite having a singular leader/ruler of the gods, they're all as fallible as humans are in spite of their being (usually quite literally) so far above them. That includes instances of underestimating them, or being blinded by their own hubris.
In other words, they're not perfect.

 

[hsuaisbsjsh]

how the fuck is that stuff not off topic but mine and the other guys was? like Christ dude talking about the game is off topic but talking about religion and other stuff isn't?

 

[Snugglepuff]

how the fuck is that stuff not off topic but mine and the other guys was? like Christ dude talking about the game is off topic but talking about religion and other stuff isn't?

If it's in relation to in-game religion/religious figures and their place in the story and setting then I'd argue it's on-topic. Not just because we've been talking about them recently... Or several times previously in the thread.

 

[OnlineRando]

Also I remind you, literally every example you could ever give in favour of Power over Skill, means that your exemplar for Power actually has to be skilled in using their power, no matter the scale of their power.

Skill is dependent on the individual though. Human Oscar had a whopping 74 skill, but no power. An MC with 74 power and 0 skill would demolish this Oscar; There's just nothing he could possibly do.

Even outside of the game, skill is just basically how good you use what you have, being power. Because of that, skill is conditional, dependent on power, while power is absolute. It doesn't rely on something else to have an effect.

You can have all the skill in the world, but without any way to express it, what can you even do? Imagine you were born so skilled that you recreated humanity's progress in martial arts yourself by the time you were two weeks old... what could you even do? You're so weak, weigh so little, that your attacks would do positively nothing. You'd have to grow up to increase your power enough to start capitalizing on your skill.

Mastery is earned, while power is intrinsic. Not in the sense that it never grows necessarily, but in the sense that it's always there. Back to the baby example, imagine you were born super unskilled, but with the strength of a giant. even then, your sheer physical abilities would bring you much more benefit than martial skill, at least in a fight.

And quite frankly, increasing your skill is easier the more power you have, since there's more to master, but the opposite isn't necessarily true.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Skill is dependent on the individual though.

Indeed.

Human Oscar had a whopping 74 skill, but no power. An MC with 74 power and 0 skill would demolish this Oscar; There's just nothing he could possibly do.

Yeah, you can stop there because that's a completely different issue to what we had been talking about. Go back and read if you want the proper context.

 

[OnlineRando]

Indeed.



Yeah, you can stop there because that's a completely different issue to what we had been talking about. Go back and read if you want the proper context.

I have. That part is largely unrelated to the rest of my comment.

 

[AronsKets]

Skill is dependent on the individual though. Human Oscar had a whopping 74 skill, but no power. An MC with 74 power and 0 skill would demolish this Oscar; There's just nothing he could possibly do.

Even outside of the game, skill is just basically how good you use what you have, being power. Because of that, skill is conditional, dependent on power, while power is absolute. It doesn't rely on something else to have an effect.

I mean, even in the game MC with 0 skill (so 0 training too) gets killed by a couple of gun thugs at the restaurant if he tries to fight. He literally doesn’t know how to use his powers. Then he monstrifies from the damage and later gets burned alive by Malik, but whatever, just to complete the point.
Oscar, while still in his human body, managed to fatally wound, or maybe even kill, the red-eyed monster. Then he dies and transforms from damage, but it is what it is. If you would give him Michael-level prep on the fight and a lot of guns, I certainly bet on him.

Your own example doesn’t really work, I don’t know how else to say it. Sure, MC with 74 powers probably could have a very good chance against superhuman Oscar (who has only 12 Power and 4 Skills), but his strategy literally was "Look at the dude and punch the dude". And even then I doubt that MC without any transformation (again, 0 skill = 0 training) could easily kill him. His red light was just fine in stopping MC when he was running away with Danica even though MC might have been stronger stat-wise at that point. His light is Hax.

But yeah, sure, I don’t really see how Oscar would’ve killed the MC, considering his regeneration is instinctive and doesn’t require training. So I guess you could count that as a win for the MC. At least against superhuman Oscar.

 

[Snugglepuff]

I have. That part is largely unrelated to the rest of my comment.

Ok, now go back and re-read every post of mine on the recent subject of Power vs Skill, and then tell me where I said or indicated that skill was the only thing that matters, or even trumps power on its own... Be sure and read very carefully, because if I didn't specifically write that, then I never implied it.

But yeah, sure, I don’t really see how Oscar would’ve killed the MC, considering his regeneration is instinctive and doesn’t require training. So I guess you could count that as a win for the MC. At least against superhuman Oscar.

Instinctive, yes. Not unlimited though.

 

[A fleeting presence]

The mods have never been fond of the thread denizens' habit of voicing displeasure by nuking an offending person with memetic material.

 

[Tahxeol]

Oscar, while still in his human body, managed to fatally wound, or maybe even kill, the red-eyed monster. Then he dies and transforms from damage, but it is what it is. If you would give him Michael-level prep on the fight and a lot of guns, I certainly bet on him.

Honestly, from what we know of him, just not being ambushed by a monster while he was distracted by his family might have been enough

 

[hsuaisbsjsh]

If it's in relation to in-game religion/religious figures and their place in the story and setting then I'd argue it's on-topic. Not just because we've been talking about them recently... Or several times previously in the thread.

yeah but we were talking about the game too and multiple times before so it's just weird. it maybe because the admins didn't like us correcting someone lying

 

[Zolrazz]

I mean, even in the game MC with 0 skill (so 0 training too) gets killed by a couple of gun thugs at the restaurant if he tries to fight. He literally doesn’t know how to use his powers. Then he monstrifies from the damage and later gets burned alive by Malik, but whatever, just to complete the point.
Oscar, while still in his human body, managed to fatally wound, or maybe even kill, the red-eyed monster. Then he dies and transforms from damage, but it is what it is. If you would give him Michael-level prep on the fight and a lot of guns, I certainly bet on him.

Your own example doesn’t really work, I don’t know how else to say it. Sure, MC with 74 powers probably could have a very good chance against superhuman Oscar (who has only 12 Power and 4 Skills), but his strategy literally was "Look at the dude and punch the dude". And even then I doubt that MC without any transformation (again, 0 skill = 0 training) could easily kill him. His red light was just fine in stopping MC when he was running away with Danica even though MC might have been stronger stat-wise at that point. His light is Hax.

But yeah, sure, I don’t really see how Oscar would’ve killed the MC, considering his regeneration is instinctive and doesn’t require training. So I guess you could count that as a win for the MC. At least against superhuman Oscar.

Here, I think it falls more to the question of, what are the circumstances? Oscar was a monster, an aberration, and not because of his power, but because of his skill, I can't remember the exact number, but his skill as a human must have been between 60 or 70, an absurd amount, Michael and Alice are the only ones who might have more skill, but, until we know for sure, Oscar is basically the greatest or one of the most skilled

Oscar beat his monster without preparation? Yes, but we must remember that although it was a monster, it wasn't that powerful, considering Oscar's own abilities, dangerous but not powerful. Michael beat his monster, true, but two things to note, he had time to prepare, and even though he won, he would have died if it hadn't been for the 2nd Apostle

And being honest, level 1 mc could be killed by them or kill them, the odds are 50/50, because they have a lot of training, but without weapons and using only their hands, The mc would end up winning, either by his bone thorns or his poison, it would be basically this here:

 

[hsuaisbsjsh]

Here, I think it falls more to the question of, what are the circumstances? Oscar was a monster, an aberration, and not because of his power, but because of his skill, I can't remember the exact number, but his skill as a human must have been between 60 or 70, an absurd amount, Michael and Alice are the only ones who might have more skill, but, until we know for sure, Oscar is basically the greatest or one of the most skilled

Oscar beat his monster without preparation? Yes, but we must remember that although it was a monster, it wasn't that powerful, considering Oscar's own abilities, dangerous but not powerful. Michael beat his monster, true, but two things to note, he had time to prepare, and even though he won, he would have died if it hadn't been for the 2nd Apostle

And being honest, level 1 mc could be killed by them or kill them, the odds are 50/50, because they have a lot of training, but without weapons and using only their hands, The mc would end up winning, either by his bone thorns or his poison, it would be basically this here:

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if they are a human then a single hit will kill them or at least make them lose because of the poison plus only one of the poisons in that tentacle can make someone paralyzed in seconds and he has a bunch mixed in and all of them are enhanced by his powers so those poisons are even more powerful. and that's not even considering he could put the poison on his bone things or make something under the floor that makes small slices on the humans body that injects the body with that poison which would mean mc could just use his bone tentacles for range while the enemy can't get close or just make a small cut on the humans body then force a tentacle into it and just pump the poison inside them while growing his tentacle to slowly make them expand and eventually blow up.

 

[OnlineRando]

Ok, now go back and re-read every post of mine on the recent subject of Power vs Skill, and then tell me where I said or indicated that skill was the only thing that matters, or even trumps power on its own... Be sure and read very carefully, because if I didn't specifically write that, then I never implied it.

I don't get it. Do you HAVE to act like everyone that isn't you or doesn't agree with you, even slightly, is completely retarded? What do you gain from that? Ruining the enjoyment of the discussion for others?

Ok, now go back and re-read my comment on the recent subject of Power vs Skill, and then tell me where I said or indicated that you said or indicated skill was the only thing that matters, or even trumps power on its own. Be sure to read very carefully, because you seem to have a habit of insulting others and intentionally misinterpreting their arguements to invalidate them.

I don't care what you did or did not imply, not everything is about you. And you can very well disagree with me, that's your right. I only explained why, in my opinion, power is superior to skill. If I had to choose between great skill and great power, I would choose great power 100% of the time, because power is intrinsic, while mastery is earned. I can always learn how do do better, but I can't always become inherently better.