VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[as22]

Not watching any streams. Thanks for not spoiling

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Hmm, I think your theory is wrong, because if the six upper ones Chaos, Paradox, Soul were “poorly made” or weaker than the three lower brothers, then how the hell would Chaos have destroyed everything? Chaos would have to be among the three survivors. I’d bet Order, being the most powerful, was also among them, and the third one… who knows.

That theory about Memory being a traitor seems far-fetched… but the idea of the Eye being something different from the Arbiters does sound interesting. Given the way the monsters treated the Eye, respecting its authority, I believe it was an ally who perished in Chaos’ annihilation.

You misunderstood me. The upper six Apostles are possibly weaker, not the upper three Arbiters.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Art stream done. The character WW drew on stream is part of HERO with Ice powers. She's named Emma and is a Lieutenant. Melody's friend. Also, WW basically confirmed the current preview picture is indeed Melody lol.

Put this in spoilers in case some people want to be surprised.

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Beware, incomplete drawing inside.

 

[rafa30]

I like

 

[KingAgamemnon]

"Has Patreon rules removed or prevented any content you would have done otherwise?"
"Maybe a Jake mind controlled fem MC dead end, but that's about it."

 

[fitty543]

i dont understand how this is number 7 for a search for renpy games with male protag under best rated. someone enlighten me

 

[Zekethor2]

You misunderstood me. The upper six Apostles are possibly weaker, not the upper three Arbiters.

No, I understood it well. You mean that you think the 6 apostles above, who came from the 3 arbiters I mentioned, are weaker because they were the corrupted ones and died before the other 3 narrated in Chaos’s memory. But you forgot that Chaos itself is among the top 3, and consequently among the 6 above, because chaos = creation and destruction. But chaos necessarily has to be among the 3 living ones, since it was the one that annihilated the universe. Therefore, the theory that the 3 living arbiters were Order, Evolution, and Infinity is necessarily wrong.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

No, I understood it well. You mean that you think the 6 apostles above, who came from the 3 arbiters I mentioned, are weaker because they were the corrupted ones and died before the other 3 narrated in Chaos’s memory. But you forgot that Chaos itself is among the top 3, and consequently among the 6 above, because chaos = creation and destruction. But chaos necessarily has to be among the 3 living ones, since it was the one that annihilated the universe. Therefore, the theory that the 3 living arbiters were Order, Evolution, and Infinity is necessarily wrong.

No, you're still misunderstanding me. Let me make myself clearer.

Arbiters are born, presumably on a cyclic birth.

Outer Twins invade, taking Order, Evolution, and Infinity and turning them into three sets of twin Apostles, Authorty/Power, Body/Memory, and Time/Ether. These Apostles have the twin boost and thus are (assumedly) stronger than what they were as Arbiters.

Soul, Paradox and Chaos are immolated by Chaos' rebirth, and from the ashes the upper three sets of Apostles are born, Dark/Light, Truth/Fantasy, Destruction/Creation. These Apostles do not have the twin boost and thus are (assumedly) weaker than the lower six (Ella says these six are "poorly made").

 

[Jonathan Y]

"Has Patreon rules removed or prevented any content you would have done otherwise?"
"Maybe a Jake mind controlled fem MC dead end, but that's about it."

That's a hell of a sex scene idea to just drop as tidbit.
Also, we know he needed to redesign the fuck horse in the last update, so I believe if not outright remove, atleast Patreon's restrictions likely forced him to alter other scenes.

 

[Fatalfury10]

Okay so other than the MC, who out of his friends have powers by the end of this current update?

Where I'm at so far there's:
MC (who I named Naoki Kashima but chose not to have his hero named by Demifiend for some reason)
Deryl
Jake (who I chose not to kill)
Demi
Michael
Alice
Tiffany

I know I missed a few people. I'm at the arc where MC is about to infiltrate S.I.N's building so who did I miss? I just need the who and possibly what powers they have. Thanks in advance.

 

[Zekethor2]

No, you're still misunderstanding me. Let me make myself clearer.

Arbiters are born, presumably on a cyclic birth.

Outer Twins invade, taking Order, Evolution, and Infinity and turning them into three sets of twin Apostles, Authorty/Power, Body/Memory, and Time/Ether. These Apostles have the twin boost and thus are (assumedly) stronger than what they were as Arbiters.

Soul, Paradox and Chaos are immolated by Chaos' rebirth, and from the ashes the upper three sets of Apostles are born, Dark/Light, Truth/Fantasy, Destruction/Creation. These Apostles do not have the twin boost and thus are (assumedly) weaker than the lower six (Ella says these six are "poorly made").

Ah, I see your point, you think the three who died first are the lower three. And that’s interesting, because Power complements Authority, Memory complements Body, and Ether (space) complements Time. Meanwhile, the upper ones are total opposites and not complementary, Light and Darkness, Truth and Fantasy, Creation and Destruction.


But then, thinking from that angle, if Chaos, Soul, and Paradox were the ones who perished first and became the Twins, wouldn’t the Apostles still have turned out as opposing pairs to each other? Would there really be any difference?


Another thing, if the six primary Apostles emerged before the three Arbiters died in Chaos’ annihilation, how did they survive that? Or did Chaos have the power to spare them in the middle of total destruction?

 

[GaRbS]

"Maybe a Jake mind controlled fem MC dead end, but that's about it."

The West has fallen, billions must protest payment processors.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Okay so other than the MC, who out of his friends have powers by the end of this current update?

Where I'm at so far there's:
MC (who I named Naoki Kashima but chose not to have his hero named by Demifiend for some reason)
Deryl
Jake (who I chose not to kill)
Demi
Michael
Alice
Tiffany

I know I missed a few people. I'm at the arc where MC is about to infiltrate S.I.N's building so who did I miss? I just need the who and possibly what powers they have. Thanks in advance.

I believe the only one you missed is Angelina, the massage therapist with boob powers. As for superhuman friends of the MC by the end of the current update:

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[Fatalfury10]

I believe the only one you missed is Angelina, the massage therapist with boob powers. As for superhuman friends of the MC by the end of the current update:

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I originally added Angelina then for some reason removed her. Dunno why lol. Thanks for the info.

 

[OnlyNeverNow]

"Has Patreon rules removed or prevented any content you would have done otherwise?"
"Maybe a Jake mind controlled fem MC dead end, but that's about it."

what part of that was against patreon rules? or is WW just messing around

 

[sirpedro7]

Weird said if you wanted a good flesh crafter/healer, itd be best to have a combination of traits, since none of the apostles have pure healing capabilities. He specifically says that Truth would be good for it, and you'd want a combination of Truth, Body, Creation, and probably a little bit of Memory.

First of all, thank you for responding. Okay, let's see, I understand that WW says it's better to heal someone who combines different traits; analyzing what WW says, to create/heal “flesh” it's better to have Truth (9th), Body (3rd), Creation (12th), and a little Memory (4th). I try to find logic in his statement (WW's), and I think I can understand from the point of view that there is some injury or you want to recover “flesh” in that order (although I always thought that creation was linked to objects and that the body was for living things, but from what we see later with Devana Moon, it seems that creation ironically needs the “templates” in her case to create, which if she has those templates, it doesn't matter if it's something alive or not, she can create it), I suppose a wound in the spine, something delicate and difficult to treat, without the medical and biological knowledge to do it as WW wants, it cannot be done with body alone (4th), so it would bypass the need for knowledge, but for it to be in the direction of healing, it would need to have some of the other traits: creation (12th) for whatever needs to be replaced in the body, body (3rd) to adapt/mold it to the “patient,” and memory to help with templates of that specific body or similar ones.

If so, the joint achievement of the MC and Darryl in saving Laurie Kernz makes even more sense; the elixir (12th) is needed as a means for the MC to accomplish the task without the information learned on how to heal her wound. Unfortunately, I don't remember what was needed in terms of statistics to achieve that (I think it was power). Although it would be more logical (skill, in my opinion), if so, a lot of MP (3rd) is needed to mold/adapt previous templates (4th) as a guide (since WW nerfed the MC's “template” ability, he can't use one of Laurie's own previous ones, so we have to use the other female body templates) and elixir (12th) to create whatever the other two traits need.

So, if it is as I deduce, could someone explain to me how this monster (M:84 - Drakavac), can heal monsters (very varied biologies), not only with extreme wounds but lethal (hard to heal) in the coliseum, if to top it off this monster has 3rd (3%) and 12th (11%)? I feel like WW used it as a healer by mistake or is messing with us xD, how can this thing heal better than the MC?

 

[DrakoGhoul]

So, if it is as I deduce, could someone explain to me how this monster (M:84 - Drakavac), can heal monsters (very varied biologies), not only with extreme wounds but lethal (hard to heal) in the coliseum, if to top it off this monster has 3rd (3%) and 12th (11%)? I feel like WW used it as a healer by mistake or is messing with us xD, how can this thing heal better than the MC?

What's there to tell? The monster has Body, Light and Creation in it as well. All of those powers being able to heal themselves and others.

Also, from what I recall of the video. WW said that Truth, overall, is the best healing power. I asked and he said it's better than Body, Light and Creation. When it comes to healing.

 

[sirpedro7]

Ah, I see your point, you think the three who died first are the lower three. And that’s interesting, because Power complements Authority, Memory complements Body, and Ether (space) complements Time. Meanwhile, the upper ones are total opposites and not complementary, Light and Darkness, Truth and Fantasy, Creation and Destruction.


But then, thinking from that angle, if Chaos, Soul, and Paradox were the ones who perished first and became the Twins, wouldn’t the Apostles still have turned out as opposing pairs to each other? Would there really be any difference?


Another thing, if the six primary Apostles emerged before the three Arbiters died in Chaos’ annihilation, how did they survive that? Or did Chaos have the power to spare them in the middle of total destruction?

A few things come to mind:

1. The way the first three (Order, Evolution, and Infinity) were divided destroyed their physical bodies on this plane, so they ascended to the higher plane; that way they were saved from destruction.

2. Guises, that's what 3rd and 4th want with the MC, an avatar that can merge them again. So the eye could be the new evolution.

3. The Soul, Paradox, and Chaos, their pairs are opposites because a different method was used to divide them.

4. If it's as I said in point 4... it's possible that Thanos was trying that with the twins; he already tried one method with the Moon twins and wanted to try another method of destruction with the twins.

 

[Tamwyn]

You show you aren't willing to make a good case when you have to downplay a characters powers, leaving out that he had to plan around his opponent being able to control himself and anyone around, and having the ability to make you not harm him at all. Jake's damaging gift is he destroys your sense of self, anyone paying attention to that fight could see that the writers clear intention was that it was the MC slowly whittling down Jake's body and Jake weakening the MC's mind.

The fight also made it explicit that ranged attacks where highly ineffective.

Saying he isn't saved by battle sense skill? even in that single fight there where plenty examples, even before it began, planning with Alice, realizing that ranged was weaker, figuring out how his verbal power works and using it against him, attacking ranged opponents through the floor, just off the top of my head.

As for L's, its how you use words, you use it in a way that basically anything that doesn't make the MC to be some perfect, unquestionable, everything goes there way terminator as an L, that over a story this long anything negative gets put in a list of L's. Given your criticisms it seems like you are only happy with those manga's where the main character is overpowered from the start and everything goes their way perfectly, this is not those, very few things are.

I don't need to downplay Jakes powers, they are inherently weak to ANY physical spawn, which is why Ella LITERALLY TOLD JAKE TO FIGHT MC ONLY WHEN HE HAD FULL CONTROL, and to overall stay hidden and grow stronger. Why? Because even if attacking him is "ineffective" because he turns all hits into grazes (not complete misses, only people who cant hit him are those he heavily outscales), being grazed by a literal ton of concrete does WAY more damage then he himself could put out. Yes, whittling the sense of self is very strong in a controlling sense, but you can't stop rocks from falling on your head with just that. At any point in the Jake vs MC battle, MC could have brought the ceiling down on top of Jake and himself instantly ending the fight. Hell, Deryls weak ass stone spike traps completely stopped Jake from moving, and those werent even perfect by Deryls own admission.

Battle sense is the ability to efficiently and effectively use what you have to defeat your enemies. It means taking advantage of your enemies weaknesses (which MC atleast tried to do with the face of mia. It would have been way more effective had he used an actually damaging attack, like a bomb or gas instead of poison that literally disappears after leaving his body for a few minutes), the location you are in (a building made of heavy stone is a more damaging weapon then any poison), your talents (he does this, but poorly. As someone near immortal, any aoe is way more effective then simply fighting straightforward), and finally being able to recognize when something isn't working and change tacks, which he failed to do with jake. He literally fought jake so poorly that he almost lost, when he was surrounded with better options, and decided to keep trying to fight through poison and lacerations that merely grazed Jake, even after Deryl joined the fight. At any point he could have got distance, like during Coles battle, and let the two wear eachother down once he realized they were enemies.

Finally, yes, any inherently negative outcome IS an L, by literal definition as i just stated. I DID NOT state that taking Ls was a bad (or good) thing, only that he has taken many, and thus a win (technically this was in reply to someone talking about evolution) that he actually gets himself versus a major previously named character like cole, wouldn't be charity nor him being overpowered. Speaking of OP, how in the hell do you get "you like people who win every fight" from "he has lost so much already"? You seem to be commenting with the notion that i like overpowered MCs, which i have NEVER actually stated anything close to that sentiment, and as such are currently fighting a strawman.

 

[DefaultNK]

being grazed by a literal ton of concrete does WAY more damage then he himself could put out.

Compared to being poisoned? No it doesn't.

At any point in the Jake vs MC battle, MC could have brought the ceiling down on top of Jake and himself instantly ending the fight.

There's zero reason to believe Jake's power wouldn't interfere with this the same way it interferes every other time someone intentionally tries to attack him.

You seem to be commenting with the notion that i like overpowered MCs, which i have NEVER actually stated anything close to that sentiment

"Close fights make the MC look stupid, why didn't he [poorly thought out fanfiction] to win the fight more decisively??" is actually extremely close to that sentiment.