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BenoTF25
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Something that i think is relevant to this "MC vs Nuclear Explosion" debate, are the displays of power from Malik and Indra, two of the most powerful and dangerous beings on the setting with easy equalization to N-Weapons since they both work with heat/blasts. Malik was "the fuck anything in that direction" device of M-Division(even before his final evo)and his blasts were 'only' compared to Nuclear Bombs. Even currently, with power to split planets in half and spawn stars, he rarely go that far, nonetheless he is still regarded as a Freak by everyone in HERO, he was cooking Ella with heat and range lesser than that of a Nuke.
Indra is more straightforward, his basic attacks are stated to be like nukes going off, does literally anyone believe current MC able to survive a single attack of Indra?
Indra is more straightforward, his basic attacks are stated to be like nukes going off, does literally anyone believe current MC able to survive a single attack of Indra?
KingAgamemnon
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I mean, the danger of the nuke is the vaporization, not the sheer force. MC can be splattered no problem. So while I agree that Indra outclasses and outpowers the MC, I would actually say he could survive a few hits.
Malik, on the other hand, he stands basically no chance against. He is evaporated instantly.
I don't know where at the story you're at, but I'm pretty sure during the fight against Cole, he regenerates from temperatures way higher thas gasoline's combustion, the problem with the gas was more him being perma-stunned for a while.
It was also stated that Nukes would do little to a Himavat, an A-Class monster, do you believe Malik is less resistant than a Himavat? Also Malik's flames were able to injure Goliath, an S-Class monster that was one-shotting Himavats.
Thanks everyone for their replies, by tanking a nuke I meant on ground zero but with "prep time" as in having time to transform but not run away, I was misremembering that humanity wouldnt be able to kill a B-Class when it was an A-Class.
He regenerated because there were still enough cells able to regenerate from, unlike his own mother's body which was so badly burnt it crumbled on contact.
Radiation damaged cells cannot regenerate because they are literally breaking down, and it spreads throughout the entire organism with the speed with which it happens being dependant on the level of exposure and the type of radiation.
So not a specific or harmful type of radioactive/nuclear particle then, just radiating energy like with thermal radiation... They're different things entirely.
Except nukes haven't been used. Comparitive attacks by other superpowered individuals have, yet you're not trying to shit on the reasoning of those who've raised those points at all, which by rights you absolutely should be given the way you've been attacking the very idea of what I've been asking in the first place.
You are far too aggressively disingenuous an individual to any further time with.
Why are you assuming the dude that can regenerate from much more than even limb loss would obey the regular laws of self-recovery? His regeneration seems to be basically instinctive shapeshifting towards his last selected form, and that would most definitely not include his cells having radiation poisoning.
Even if it didn't heal the radiation poisoning, he could manually shapeshift the damaged cells into proper ones, and even if THAT didn't work, he could isolate/abandon the compromised cells, or even just separate the damaged parts from these cells, and recreate his body with proper cells.
Jonathan Y
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That's exactly the kind of shenanigan he pulled in the latest update when Aos wanted to teleport the Mc, Deryl and Liz/Amber, he resisted the teleportation by shapeshifting his cells somehow.
As Xanthe would put it, it's sort of mysticism overtakes science sometimes. The more he evolves the more the laws that govern reality begin to bend to his will.
I'm not. I haven't been and he absolutely doesn't.
That's been the whole point of raising the question in the first place!
Meanwhile you and the other guy have been jumping on both me and the very idea of something that would either nullify at worst, or impede the MC's abilities on the basis of the genetic damage from high exposure to damaging radioactive particles.
Seriously, neither of you have been willing to even consider the possibility, because it's neither monster or superpower in nature, and all without any actual rational explanation of why.
Oh ffs, cell damage is only one of the things that radiation poisoning does.
Why do you think I've mentioned, several times now, genetic damage?
Damage to the very structure of an organism's DNA!
The DNA structure breaks down, leading to the generation of improper cell replication and the generation of defective cells , causing the entire of the body, inside and out to continue to try and replicate cells that don't work properly, with death occuring from as little as hours, to years, depending on the level of exposure.
At that point, would his regeneration even work properly?
Would it wind up eating up his energy reserves as it constantly tries to replace damaged cells across his entire body/form that he's in at the time?
His healing/regeneration is clearly not unlimited and not instantaneous. At least not yet, if that's a possibility, and that's without knowing if it could repair the damage to his DNA at all.
BenoTF25
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I only used Malik's attacks against Ella as example, those were of a smaller scale than the one used against Goliath. Malik himself would probably be able to sleep comfortably within the core of a star, but that's other deal unrelated to this, he, Henri and Bernhardt restrain themselves a lot.
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I would actually argue that the MC can, as of his third evo, repair damage to his DNA. Because memory is about more than just DNA, its about structure and connections, whether it's genetic, or cognitive, or conceptual. His excursions into the other world I feel allow him to regenerate even from broken DNA strands. Not very well, and would likely take a while to fully heal, but I would say he could do it.
I'm not. I haven't been and he absolutely doesn't.
That's been the whole point of raising the question in the first place!
Meanwhile you and the other guy have been jumping on both me and the very idea of something that would either nullify at worst, or impede the MC's abilities on the basis of the genetic damage from high exposure to damaging radioactive particles.
Seriously, neither of you have been willing to even consider the possibility, because it's neither monster or superpower in nature, and all without any actual rational explanation of why.
Oh ffs, cell damage is only one of the things that radiation poisoning does.
Why do you think I've mentioned, several times now, genetic damage?
Damage to the very structure of an organism's DNA!
The DNA structure breaks down, leading to the generation of improper cell replication and the generation of defective cells , causing the entire of the body, inside and out to continue to try and replicate cells that don't work properly, with death occuring from as little as hours, to years, depending on the level of exposure.
At that point, would his regeneration even work properly?
Would it wind up eating up his energy reserves as it constantly tries to replace damaged cells across his entire body/form that he's in at the time?
His healing/regeneration is clearly not unlimited and not instantaneous. At least not yet, if that's a possibility, and that's without knowing if it could repair the damage to his DNA at all.
First of all, I never said cell damage was the only thing radiation poisoning does... what I said is that he would shapeshift/regen to a state where he doesn't have radiation poisoning.
I'm not. I haven't been and he absolutely doesn't.
That's been the whole point of raising the question in the first place!
Meanwhile you and the other guy have been jumping on both me and the very idea of something that would either nullify at worst, or impede the MC's abilities on the basis of the genetic damage from high exposure to damaging radioactive particles.
Seriously, neither of you have been willing to even consider the possibility, because it's neither monster or superpower in nature, and all without any actual rational explanation of why.
Oh ffs, cell damage is only one of the things that radiation poisoning does.
Why do you think I've mentioned, several times now, genetic damage?
Damage to the very structure of an organism's DNA!
The DNA structure breaks down, leading to the generation of improper cell replication and the generation of defective cells , causing the entire of the body, inside and out to continue to try and replicate cells that don't work properly, with death occuring from as little as hours, to years, depending on the level of exposure.
At that point, would his regeneration even work properly?
Would it wind up eating up his energy reserves as it constantly tries to replace damaged cells across his entire body/form that he's in at the time?
His healing/regeneration is clearly not unlimited and not instantaneous. At least not yet, if that's a possibility, and that's without knowing if it could repair the damage to his DNA at all.
Second of all, MC has already displayed, at the very least, shapeshifting on a genetic level via memory (and if I remember correctly, Xanthe said Ella was shapeshifting at an atomic scale at level 1), though it's much more likely to be basically perfect. So, I'm pretty sure DNA damage isn't that big of a deal.
Third of all, I don't think challenging what you said qualifies as "jumping" you. Disagreeing with something you said doesn't make it an act of terrorism against humankind, and your sentence in general implied that I was wrong to do so. Obviously, certain things will and do inhibit MC's regen (see: fire), but I don't have to concede radiation poisoning is one of them. The difference between fire and radiation poisoning in this context is that fire exists outside of MC, while radiation poisoning, and any type of poisoning in general, is something that occurs within his body, and is thus subject to the full extent of his powers.
You have given no indication to the contrary. In fact your last sentence conveys a misunderstanding of radiation poisoning.
Except that so far we've had no indication the MC can currently do the same atomic scale shapeshifting, outside of arguably transforming parts of himself into different materials, which would likely still be affected.
Given your insistence of power being more important that skill (outside of game stats/mechanics) whilst also acting as though I had been saying the opposite, I'm sticking with "jumping on" me and what I've said/proposed/postulated previously. Something you're still doing too - " Why are you assuming the dude that can regenerate from much more than even limb loss would obey the regular laws of self-recovery?". That's you jumping to a conclusion about what I've said based on zero supporting evidence.
Hell, the fact that it took you two posts to show support for your contrary stance on this after making falacious assumptions reinforces what I just said.
Bravo, you've mastered the use of supercilious hyperbole...
No, it didn't.
My sentence was clearly do with how it was done, the manner in which disagreement was expressed.
This looks more like you're viewing radiation poisoning as being the same as some sort of toxin or even venom when it's not remotely the same.
Every transformation of his done via memory is at least impressive enough for Ella to conclude that, even if he had the same skillset as her, he wouldn't be able to replicate poison at level 1, so I think it's safe to say it's at least genetic in scale... which, obviously, is MUCH less impressive than atomic. And regardless, genetic memory is specifically noted to be a part of Memory.
Firstly, that's an entirely separate and unrelated issue, I hadn't even noticed you were the same person, and secondly, I've never assumed your stance on anything. I wanted to contribute my own opinion, and you were the last to comment at that point in time, so I replied to you.
Thirdly, I've read your comment, so I said that with the information I had, which I deemed sufficient back then, and still do so now; I believe MC can heal from radiation poisoning without much more difficulty than, at most, shapeshifting. The part about you assuming he obeys the normal laws of self-recovery was mostly a joke meant to lead into what I wanted to say, sorry if I offended you.
It's not so much that they're the same, but rather that they're both inside MC's body. Inside is inside.
In fact, it might be easier to heal radiation poisoning than it is to heal certain toxins, because the poisoning is actually part of his cells, rather than liquids that spread throughout the bloodstream.
Does every conversation with you have to turn into an argument? You can disagree with what people are saying without taking personal offense.
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You didn't offend, but there was no indication of a joke of any sort. Remember, it's the Internet and people have said both smarter and dumber things that either of us, and been seen as joking or trolling despite that being the wrong conclusion.
They're different kinds of inside though, with different effects and ways of affecting the body.
A small, (possibly lethal after many years to a normal human) dose, absolutley.
Higher doses, particularly of neutronic radiation (Alpha/Beta/Gamma wouldn't penetrate his armoured form) have harsher, faster acting effects.
Assuming his regeneration/healing requires concsious direction/guidance to deal with this kind of damage, even for only a portion of the total process, he'd need to stretch his awareness of the damage and scale of it according to how much exposure he's had. Aberrant cell mutations and defective replication are likely to interfere to varying degrees or possibly even be exacerbated by the regenerative process.
Given the MC doesn't have the same kinds of knowledge or experience as Xanthe or even Ella when it comes to dealing with new (to him) kinds of dangerous biological interactions and effects, it's likely he'll waste time having his body fight back in the wrong way at first.
That kind of mistake could lead to having to rewrite/repair genetic and cell damage in sections or possibly even just hack the worst effected parts off/out and make repairs like he was regrowing parts instead.
TLDR; Like KingAgamemnon said a few posts before yours.
Again, not offended.
People too often confuse or forget that emotional/psychological offense is not the same thing as being on the end of borderline aggressive and combative (accidental or otherwise) writing.
Someone can see the word aberrant and be immediately offended and conflate it with equalling abhorrent, despite the word being used in a completely neutral and factual manner, but they won't give a shit because they were offended.
When someone's writing comes across as more of a metaphorical "assault" or (indirect/non-personal) attack, that doesn't automatically make it personally offensive.
I generally go into these things prepared that it will degenerate into a mini shitstorm. It's the Internet after all.
It doesn't usually happen, and when it does it's always down to the same factors and attitudes of both involved.
When the other party forgets that they're not talking but are communicating through text only, it usually turns into one because they assign tone and intent where there isn't, and act like their own writing magically conveys their tone and they're somehow an expert in reading shit that wasn't there in the first place...
It also doesn't help when you forget who you've interacted with, how your own side of ther interaction(s) were handled and could be seen as coming across (especially when you've been explicitly told such by the other party).
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I think Michael's radiation can cause poisoning, he is a Direct Spawn of the Second Apostle, whose beam used to ascend Michael, first killed him on the same way radiation poisoning does, unless that's something unique of the Apostle itself/Reserved for upper evolutions
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Yes it's good to know that you were wrong and have someone to point out your mistake. It happens.
If by "appropriate amount of nuclear weapons" you mean "amount that's completely infeasible for humanity to achieve" then sure, because even if you combine all the nuclear warheads in the world today and hit them on someone point blank the energy they sustain will still be below that of being 0.1 second in the core of the Sun.
If you're gonna completely ignore any practical implication and just want to argue for the sake of arguing you might as well argue "appropriate amount of firecrackers" can kill a A-class, hell you can even argue "appropriate amount of firecrackers" can blow up the universe.
When was it stated?
Except it was stated that Nico's attack created an explosion many times greater than the largest nuclear detonation in the world, and since we don't know how "large" the "largest nuclear detonation" is and how many the "many time greater" is we have no idea how Nico's attack compared to the stockpiles of nuclear warheads in the setting, so no you cannot argue that.
You can "assume" all you want, as I said you can even "assume" with enough firecrackers you would be able to blow up the universe if that's what you were going with.
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yeah tempatures that didn't set him on fire but but instead were so hot they just distengrated his flesh while fire was constant and it made it to where his regeneration didn't work fully. and coles power isn't really fire it's more heat based where he can burn stuff but fire doesn't really come from him burning stuff like that scene where he burned nico there was no flame produced even through he was burning her which doesn't fucking make sense but neither does most of the powers. so it's really hard to measure if mc can really be affected by a nuke when going off Cole plus most of the heat based powers in this universe don't act like heat. like maliks where he burned Goliath but Goliath wasn't still on fire or there wasn't lingering fire on him.
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I bet you thought you were him when you typed all of this yapping. Nothing you said changed anything. Don't you ever waste my time with your bullshit again.
thats assuming the nukes are as strong as our and have been developed the same way and if they are why would they use them? especially considering one of our weakest ones had a place be radiated for 6 years after and that was when it was detonated 2000 feet in the air imagine if our most powerful one was released on the ground which is a.
Tsar Bomba. which is over 80 times stronger then the one detonated 2000 feet in the air and that's the ones we civilians know about what if the government has developed ones even more powerful that can make that look small? and if the people in mcs universe enhanced something like that to be more powerful then why would they use it? like maybe destroy one monster for maybe thousands to millions of civilians dying and human military dying? oh and that's only if they enhanced it to twice the power, what if they enhanced it to ten times the power? or 20 times the power? like this is all just assuming their nukes work like ours. and it's showed that superhumans have controlled the government for years so why would you want something you control having stuff that can potentially harm you or destroy cities with ease so the people in actual control might have limited the knowledge of making nukes.