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As far as I know, no. You can do all of them; some of them, however, take a while to activate.

For example: for Liz, I'll assume you helped her, probably got to the point where MC saved her and she discovered his Hero identity. After that, it takes a while for her path to continue, so don't worry. Amber, if I remember correctly, is moved to the afternoon or has a short cooldown as well.

But in the end, you will be able to do all of them (you get a message letting you know about it, just don't go to the mall until you do everything), so don't worry.
I didn't get that far with Liz, no. But okay, I guess it'll just come up at some point.

EDIT: Was not expecting a surprise prison arc. Wtf lol
 
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ah yes you've discovered the prison wife arc
It was actually cool. Suicide Wang was great. Turning the tables on the angry chick guard was great. De-dicking the Alpha leader and watching him breakdown was great. MC just delving into experimenting on humans was a surprise, but hey, if you gonna do it, do it with evil prisoners, I suppose.

I got all the way to the end of the Jake/Deryl/MC three-way fight now. That shit was fun, too. I didn't expect Jake's arc to suddenly escalate that quickly that fast. I thought he'd be in the background preparing and keikakuing while we do other stuff, and then later we'd knock some sense into him. Half-and-half on whether I want to save Deryl or put him down, but I chose the former for now.

EDIT: O-oh. Ok then.
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That line of Ella's got me thinking, when discussing who the MC lost their virginity too, Ella says "maybe next time round" not this line is almost certainly just a 4th wall break, but if not, on that slim chance its not, it could mean at some point the MC goes into the past.

At the moment the MC is very weak in comparison with the big threats, time travel is a thing, so what the MC is flung back into the past, a one shot last ditch effort by Zack so he can get ready, he would disguise himself and interact with an earlier Ella.
 
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That line of Ella's got me thinking, when discussing who the MC lost their virginity too, Ella says "maybe next time round" not this line is almost certainly just a 4th wall break, but if not, on that slim chance its not, it could mean at some point the MC goes into the past.

At the moment the MC is very weak in comparison with the big threats, time travel is a thing, so what the MC is flung back into the past, a one shot last ditch effort by Zack so he can get ready, he would disguise himself and interact with an earlier Ella.
I don't think Zack can do that, though. Deus maybe, he's been shown going back in time, but Zack's abilities don't seem to actually interfere with time as much as "perceive" it. If he could do that, even just for himself, H.E.R.O. could've used him as an information carrier to drastically accelerate their projects. They'd probably have made the level 5 serum ages ago.
 
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I would like to see the MC ride along on one of Zack's time loops. Connect their minds with Memory Link, so that Zack's mental time travel sends back the MC's memories of what happened in the future as well as Zack's. It would be a really strong combo of their powers, Zack getting an assistant that he doesn't need to bring up to speed every time he loops and the MC getting the chance to practice and experiment without consequences. So it probably won't ever happen, because it would be too OP and make it difficult to write around. Still would be neat, though.
 
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is this canon?
It's a popular theory, but is yet to be confirmed. If you ask Aglaecwif about what the "greatest power" is, she mentions something called Order that's made by combining Authority and Power, and says that it's just one of an entire group of ultimate abilities. Given that Authority and Power are one of the Apostle pairs, people assumed that every set of Apostles has an ultimate ability made by combining their powers. This idea is reinforced by the poems the MC hears when connecting to the minds of the Apostles in the dream world. Each pair of Apostles mentions a common concept. Since Aurthority and Power's common concept is "order", it's assumed that the common concepts are the names of their combined powers. But it's all just conjecture at this point, nothing has been confirmed.

What is The Arbiter, did i miss something?
The Arbiters are a set of beings that are probably the predecessors to the Apostles. We don't have a ton of information. If you ask Aglaecwif about the gods that monsters worship, she'll say that the oldest monster pray for the return of the Arbiters. Later on, Tanos mentions them when talking about his investigations into the origins of monsters, saying that they're an uncommon myth among monsters that mentions six godlike beings that all the others are descended from. Ella can be asked about them if you heard about them from Aglaecwif, to which she responds that she's surprised Aglaecwif mentioned them and that most monsters seem afraid that talking about them will anger the Apostles. And if you enter the Chaos flame at the temple in the latest update, you see a memory of a being that was once part of a group of six, before three of their member were abducted and split into pairs of twin monsters.

The most common interpretation is that the Arbiters were the original gods of the world, but were somehow split apart into the Apostles. Going with that theory, just as the Apostles are named after the power they hold, the Arbiters would have been named after the combined power made from each set of Apostle powers. There's an accompanying theory that the "Eye", the thing that appears to the MC in visions and takes over in some Dead Ends, might be a surviving fragment of the Arbiter of Evolution. It seems to be made of a mix of Body and Memory, very old monsters recognize it, and it talks about evolution.
 
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What is The Arbiter, did i miss something?
The Arbiters are ancient "gods" who came before the currently existing gods. Most monsters have forgotten about them. Knowledge of the Arbiters is extremely scarce, known only to the oldest monsters.

According to Aglaecwif, only the oldest of the monsters prays for their return, but she finds the idea unlikely. It is also theorized that each Apostle duo represents an Arbiter, and that their combined traits represent an Arbiter and a power of origin.
 
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