VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

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Dinoflaggelate

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the-god-destroyer said:
who do you think would win, one of those lighting things Michael fought while human or mc?
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It would be a game of rocket tag. If the leigong hits the MC with a lightning bolt, he explodes. If the MC hits the leigong with a harpoon, the harpoon explodes and takes the leigong with it. Whoever is faster on the draw wins. Given that the leigongs appear to be pretty cautious in their movements and slow to respond, the MC actually has a decent chance of whipping a harpoon at it before it knows what's happening.
 
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I thought about that, but that's just not how that works realistically.

Firstly, I'll start by saying that body affecting matter makes basically perfect sense. Body, as in body of matter. Form, if you will.

Secondly, as I said above, that isn't how information works. I think I've heard of a bunch of theories and frameworks that propose that information, and the interaction between information, is the underlying... thing, in reality (I think they were called bits), but there just isn't proof that this is the case. Information, as currently understood, is distinct from the actual state of matter.

Information, at the most basic level, is just the way something perceives that change is happening. For example, someone feeling hot is the brain processing information through the body's senses, and said brain decides to respond in a certain way.

Certain things can change their physical state according to information (the body/brain for example), but unlike matter, information isn't constant or objective, it's subjectively interpreted. Let's use heat as an example; A human doesn't process or perceive the information their senses give them about how hot it is like a thermostat does. It decides itself whether or not it should tweak its operations according to how hot it is, while the thermostat assigns the heat an arbitrary number. The thermostat can even be wrong, from a human perspective, but according to its design, the number displayed is always right.

That leads me to me saying that, no matter how either the brain or the thermostat perceives the heat, or even if they don't, the fact remains that it's still there. Regardless of the number displayed on the thermostat, if it's objectively hot enough, the thermostat will melt, or freeze if its cold. Regardless of how hot my body is feeling, if I'm standing in a lake of lava I will evaporate.

So basically, information is just a subjectively interpreted reflection of the physical. There is no 1's and 0's of reality to hack, at least in terms of information, since the information we're talking about isn't even strictly "real", in the sense that it just reflects the so called body, being the physical.
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i think there's a huge difference between subjective perception of reality and objective physical rules (matter energy space time light gravity heat etc) but most importantly i think it's essential to recognize that this is a sci-fi story and like most stories like that they get rid of the "problems" regarding things not working as effectively or effortlessly in practice (space travel time travel and basically all superpowers that are technically biologically possible are examples and there are so many videos about why the most basic power of super strength is actually terrible to give an example) and that these powers derive from literal eldritch gods all older than reality and who's spawns have demonstrated physics defying and reality breaking abilities. And while i understand your usage of the thermostat for your argument i have to say i wouldn't consider a tool meant to measure a phenomenon and a body that is designed to react to that same phenomenon to varying degrees are the same: we aren't here to argue about realism or the practicality behind a theory regarding it being true for real life just this piece of fiction. if this is about buying into the capabilities of "memory" than i ask what you think the apostle of memory is capable of? because it isn't just minor psychic abilities like psychometry and memory manipulation and the resistance toward authority otherwise it would be lame.
 
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The main reason I think Memory can copy powers, is because both Both Memory and Body seem to be shapeshifters, but in different ways. Body is more physical, like the kind of shapeshifting we usually think about. Memory feels more mystical, more about the unseen stuff. It would make sense that if one of them could copy powers, it’d be Memory.

Body seems focused on the real, physical side of mimicry, so it stands to reason that Memory handles the other side, like copying abilities or energy. That’s the reason I think Memory has that kind of power. Also it'd be weird if the copy/shape shifting apostles couldn't copy powers.
 
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Obliviousdemonchild666 said:
i think there's a huge difference between subjective perception of reality and objective physical rules (matter energy space time light gravity heat etc) but most importantly i think it's essential to recognize that this is a sci-fi story and like most stories like that they get rid of the "problems" regarding things not working as effectively or effortlessly in practice (space travel time travel and basically all superpowers that are technically biologically possible are examples and there are so many videos about why the most basic power of super strength is actually terrible to give an example) and that these powers derive from literal eldritch gods all older than reality and who's spawns have demonstrated physics defying and reality breaking abilities. And while i understand your usage of the thermostat for your argument i have to say i wouldn't consider a tool meant to measure a phenomenon and a body that is designed to react to that same phenomenon to varying degrees are the same: we aren't here to argue about realism or the practicality behind a theory regarding it being true for real life just this piece of fiction. if this is about buying into the capabilities of "memory" than i ask what you think the apostle of memory is capable of? because it isn't just minor psychic abilities like psychometry and memory manipulation and the resistance toward authority otherwise it would be lame.
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I get what you're saying, and I didn't mean to say that since it isn't how it works irl, that's how it must work in-game. However, WW has been generally consistent with his science, and I'd be surprised if he doesn't at least google these things before putting them in.

Maybe physics aren't the same, or maybe WW just has a different explanation than "It can edit the 0s and 1s of the universe", but as a general rule I don't want to assume physics are different without proof or reason, nor do I want to guess what WW's intentions with memory are.

Personally, though, I don't think memory needs to be as exciting as you want it to be. It's information manipulation, why would its user casually go around chucking fireballs and stopping time? Why should it become this practically omnipotent and all-encompassing power all of a sudden?

There's probably a reason Ella said MC should use memory as a supplement to body. It's not some flashy moveset with great combat capabilities, and some (including myself) might find that boring, but that doesn't mean it's weak. In fact, it's evidently incredibly versatile, even amongst the twelve traits.

Aside from that, we're gonna get the excitement you want from memory regardless, be it from moves we just didn't even think about, or because MC will use it in tandem with his body powers to create even more unique effects. In fact, MC's body trait makes it more likely in my opinion that he'd be able to copy powers in a certain way, because it could grant his memory powers an actual physical outlet. Though now that I think about it, I think I remember Xanthe saying that MC is unlikely to be capable of copying powers.

At the end of the day, we can only wait and see.
 
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KyngC said:
The main reason I think Memory can copy powers, is because both Both Memory and Body seem to be shapeshifters, but in different ways. Body is more physical, like the kind of shapeshifting we usually think about. Memory feels more mystical, more about the unseen stuff. It would make sense that if one of them could copy powers, it’d be Memory.

Body seems focused on the real, physical side of mimicry, so it stands to reason that Memory handles the other side, like copying abilities or energy. That’s the reason I think Memory has that kind of power. Also it'd be weird if the copy/shape shifting apostles couldn't copy powers.
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The thing is, the first six traits are complementary rather than opposites, unlike the latter six.
 
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I think memory is not explored enough if superhuman with each having a power from the 12 apostles I would say Memory would be the weakest just from the fact that it's powers are not explored. It's probably mc skill issue but even logically I can think of the potential for authority, power, body, space and time but memory just seems to be something that makes body a bit easier to use. Also not gonna lie the latter 6 seems to be weaker than 1 to 6 except maybe memory
 
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DrakoGhoul said:
Nico is purely space though. There's no other monster mixed with her. Hexenringe aren't like Hex where they have a bit of Time in them. They're made as constructs by Daoine Sidhe as tools to teleport. As far as we know, they're only made with space. Also, Syla said Greater Spawns should be pure. Not that all greater spawns are pure. And if you're just going to stretch it to 2nd Gen, why wouldn't their spawns be considered one too? Especially if they maintained the purity of the core trait with little to no difference? Seems strange to suggest a strong cut off when there's a chance the trait didn't weaken.

I'll have redownload the game and check Syla's portion in Immaterial World again because I feel like there's some context being missed here.
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That's not possible, the fact that the Hexenringe and Daoine Sidhe are two different species means that it has more than pure space. The most likely option is that they're a bit of time in them like you mentioned, Hex just has more % of Time which allows for the dimensional stuff
 
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Zeus the Fucker said:
I think memory is not explored enough if superhuman with each having a power from the 12 apostles I would say Memory would be the weakest just from the fact that it's powers are not explored. It's probably mc skill issue but even logically I can think of the potential for authority, power, body, space and time but memory just seems to be something that makes body a bit easier to use. Also not gonna lie the latter 6 seems to be weaker than 1 to 6 except maybe memory
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It's not so much that Memory is weak. It's that we can't observe the trait in it's full glory.
MC has half compatibility so he can't express the full trait and he is more suited to mixing it with his body trait.
Deus has very interesting and strong powers, but we can't be sure if he actually has the memory trait (he seems to have a bit based on his ability to sever connections through the planes and attack the dream plane directly, but he surely isnt pure)
The Memory chosen (Syla) showed us her full power as a monster in the dream world, so we can't tell if these undoubtedly strong abilities can be used in the material world and how powerful they'd be if a high level Superhuman was using them instead (I believe that Superhumans are always stronger than Monsters assuming similar power levels).
We have only heard about Silat's power but we haven't seen it in action and it's power seems very conditional.

Regarding the first 6 vs the last 6, I think the first six are more flashy and easier to use, but the latter 6 have some impressive powers that are very specialized and almost overwhelming when applied correctly. For example Destruction is stupidly powerful against physical traits, Creation has limitless potential and based on what we've seen from Deryl, it's combat ability isn't lacking (if anything, his ability to stockpile energy in his stone gives him a definitive edge in any fight where he has enough preparation time). Valravn despite being younger than the other Chosen can hold his own and he also has an absolutely cheat ability against Mental traits.
 
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