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In absolutely despite the way you uses L's. A writer wouldn't be able to do fuck all with a character, not even One Punch Man would make you happy based on this list, things not always going perfectly for the MC.

Having to join a powerful organisation? Things happening in flashbacks? Falling through a portal? These are L's to you. Bad things will happen to a character to make the story interesting.

The MC performs very well with fights in his ballpark and I think most people are fine with him not yet being a challenge next to those that are godlike or else he would have little room to grow.
The MC does NOT perform well in fights that are in his ballpark. Even against people like Jake, who not only has a weaker skillset (being able to cast "pain" at people, versus a dude that literally destroys his body every day), but also no major physical or damaging gifts, he struggles immensely. Even with sneak attacks, poison, and nigh immortality. Why? Because MC is truly a dumbass. "Ah yes, stingray and jellyfish poison is indeed the tippy top of organic poisons and venoms i can use." and "What? i cant injure this guy effectively because he is mind controlling me? lets just continue brute forcing it, instead of using one of the anti-'us' explosive guns laying around (or chucking a boulder at his head)". He has almost routinely been saved by both teamwork and mid battle evos, not battle sense or skill. Now, this isn't me taking shots at WWs writing, he has made an extremely interesting character, someone who is hyper strong but also so aloof it makes him weaker then he ought to be.


You realize "L" stands for both "lose" and "loss" depending on the context, right? Him being forced to do something is a "loss" of freedom. Him losing a mother is a "loss" of a relative. They are Ls to everyone, by literal definition.
 

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There'd definitely need to be some serious rewrites and plot wrangling to even figure out how to get Claudia and Tiffany to the Monster World. Firstly, Claudia isn't even a superhuman during the Twins Arc. Secondly, Zack and Bernhardt would need to fuck up and let Claudia and Tiffany get captured by S.I.N., and I doubt Bernhardt would play around with direct orders about Dexter's kids. Thirdly, you'd need to write an explanation to prevent Tiffany from breaking the plot as soon as the Deryl Finder is made.

Considering how one of the first questions the group asked was if the Deryl Finder works and the second was how far away their target is, there's very little reason why they wouldn't ask Tiffany to quickly lightspeed jump back and forth to guarantee an answer to both questions before they embark on what was estimated to be a possible near year long journey, especially since at Level 2 she got better control over her jumps. Either she causes a change in plans when she escapes to report the fuck-off strong monster at the end of their journey or ends the arc early when she gets locked down with the one thing in nature known to effect light and forced by Aos to explain where the hell that annoying blue light stuck to him is coming from.
 
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The MC does NOT perform well in fights that are in his ballpark. Even against people like Jake, who not only has a weaker skillset (being able to cast "pain" at people, versus a dude that literally destroys his body every day), but also no major physical or damaging gifts, he struggles immensely. Even with sneak attacks, poison, and nigh immortality. Why? Because MC is truly a dumbass. "Ah yes, stingray and jellyfish poison is indeed the tippy top of organic poisons and venoms i can use." and "What? i cant injure this guy effectively because he is mind controlling me? lets just continue brute forcing it, instead of using one of the anti-'us' explosive guns laying around (or chucking a boulder at his head)". He has almost routinely been saved by both teamwork and mid battle evos, not battle sense or skill. Now, this isn't me taking shots at WWs writing, he has made an extremely interesting character, someone who is hyper strong but also so aloof it makes him weaker then he ought to be.


You realize "L" stands for both "lose" and "loss" depending on the context, right? Him being forced to do something is a "loss" of freedom. Him losing a mother is a "loss" of a relative. They are Ls to everyone, by literal definition.
You show you aren't willing to make a good case when you have to downplay a characters powers, leaving out that he had to plan around his opponent being able to control himself and anyone around, and having the ability to make you not harm him at all. Jake's damaging gift is he destroys your sense of self, anyone paying attention to that fight could see that the writers clear intention was that it was the MC slowly whittling down Jake's body and Jake weakening the MC's mind.

The fight also made it explicit that ranged attacks where highly ineffective.

Saying he isn't saved by battle sense skill? even in that single fight there where plenty examples, even before it began, planning with Alice, realizing that ranged was weaker, figuring out how his verbal power works and using it against him, attacking ranged opponents through the floor, just off the top of my head.

As for L's, its how you use words, you use it in a way that basically anything that doesn't make the MC to be some perfect, unquestionable, everything goes there way terminator as an L, that over a story this long anything negative gets put in a list of L's. Given your criticisms it seems like you are only happy with those manga's where the main character is overpowered from the start and everything goes their way perfectly, this is not those, very few things are.
 

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Ive got some questions since I haven't really played this game and I was hoping for some guidance. Regarding the shapeshifting and how prevalent it is, I dont find taking control of a female body and getting fucked appealing. Nor taking over someone else's body and sleeping with their partner. Im cool with impersonating people to gain information but thats about where my interest ends. With all this in mind is this still a game I should bother playing or should I just move along?
 

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Firstly, Claudia isn't even a superhuman during the Twins Arc.
She is. She was supposed to be turned before the Battle of Diamonds happened. Stating around the wedding part that they already had the 5th corpse ready for her. I doubt they would wait months into the Twin Arc just to turn Claudia. Which is why it's weird that WW basically is hiding her in the background for so long. And why it would be weird for her to not be Level 2 or above when we see her again. Since it's been more than a year since we saw her. Excluding the dream scene.

And yes, I know Deus says in the Time path of the Immaterial World that she hasn't been linked up yet, but that could easily mean she hasn't reached the 2nd evolution. Since the link is established during evolution. Which is why MC didn't see much of the 3rd or 4th prior to evolving. Or even the Eye. But they appeared frequently after evolving. This is consistent with Michael and Jake as well.
 
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This is from the last B rank hunt the Mc goes on before getting kidnapped. Considering the fact the Mc gets kidnapped a few days later, Kira needs to get her arm reattached, and the eclipse happens 2 weeks later, I think it's possible that Xanthe had to delay Claudia's ascension for a while. After, getting Eistheth I am sure Xanthe was busy getting info out of her before the eclipse happened. Also, considering that Claudia is his colleague's child, and that she has high potential, I get the feeling Xanthe would have plenty of reasons to put off her ascension, unlike his other experiments failing with Claudia will likely have some consequences. As a result, it's possible she was still a human till that dialogue the Mc saw in the otherworld between Xanthe, and Dexter, about moving humanity forward, because he didn't have as much time as he would have preferred to devote to Claudia's ascension.
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This is from the last B rank hunt the Mc goes on before getting kidnapped. Considering the fact the Mc gets kidnapped a few days later, Kira needs to get her arm reattached, and the eclipse happens 2 weeks later, I think it's possible that Xanthe had to delay Claudia's ascension for a while. After, getting Eistheth I am sure Xanthe was busy getting info out of her before the eclipse happened. Also, considering that Claudia is his colleague's child, and that she has high potential, I get the feeling Xanthe would have plenty of reasons to put off her ascension, unlike his other experiments failing with Claudia will likely have some consequences. As a result, it's possible she was still a human till that dialogue the Mc saw in the otherworld between Xanthe, and Dexter, about moving humanity forward, because he didn't have as much time as he would have preferred to devote to Claudia's ascension.
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I forgot all about the Tiffany hunt mention. Good catch, since I rarely go back to replay that hunt compared to Nico's.

So from this, WW basically dragged out her ascension for months until the Twin arc started. And then dragged it out yet again until MC went into the dream sequence? If we take Deus comment to actually mean she still wasn't turned by that point. That means Claudia wasn't turned until MC was about to enter the Monster World.
 
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MY THEORY ABOUT SUPERHUMAN

I was taking a shower when a theory about the game hit me, based on the information we already have. The first thing that came to mind was the “two parasites” mentioned by Valravn in this passage:


"He suggests that a certain two parasites desire the connection that comes with that power, specifically the link during ascension. A link inside of superhumans that connects to something else, something beyond this realm. The MC responds that he felt it and wondered what it was. With Valravn telling him that he doesn’t know but that once his lord’s work was complete, all such bonds would be sundered."
At first, I thought these parasites might be separate entities, something we’ve never seen before. But what if these two parasites are actually the pair of Apostles that always come together: Body and Memory?


It would make sense. Every time a bond is formed between an Apostle and a monster or superhuman, that connection runs through the memories and body of the lesser being. That would strengthen the two Apostles, maybe even feed them. My idea is that this isn’t just about gaining power selfishly, but rather that they want to witness the evolution of beings, to see them grow into something greater.


But then I asked myself: why does the Apostle of Darkness want to destroy this connection?


Many people here have already argued that the Apostle of Darkness is different from the others. The first clue is when the MC, on the Memory path, encounters him. Unlike the other Apostles, his voice is masculine. This makes me think, as others have suggested, that maybe he isn’t the original Apostle of Darkness at all, but rather a fusion between some “man” (or male being) and the Apostle.


Sounds far-fetched? Maybe. But who right now is performing a ritual to bring down an Apostle from the higher plane? Ella Vulpe. Perhaps with the same intention, to merge with the Apostle of Body, or something along those lines.


So then, why would the Apostle of Darkness hate the bond between Apostles and lesser beings? I think it could be a combination of factors, but one idea I had was… “solution.”


Yes, solution. As we’ve seen, it seems to be a natural cycle of this universe: one world after another gets invaded and ruined. Perhaps this “man” was someone from a long-lost past who had witnessed this countless times, suffering the pain of loss over and over. The emptiness of a universe ruled by the Twelve Apostles, each one pursuing their own interests, creating nothing but death and chaos.


And what if that connection was finally severed? All monsters, all beings would lose their powers. The miserable cycle of destruction would end. That could be why this “man” performed the ritual and merged with the Seventh Apostle, who accepted, because their goals aligned. After all, the Seventh represents the Void… and what void could be greater than the void of God?


“The MC notes that its voice is distinctly masculine. The apostle simply says: ‘My… Death… Kill… Free. We will be free.’”
The “we” here would be the man and the Apostle, now joined together, calling out for liberation.


From this perspective, Ella’s ultimate plan, to obtain absolute power, might not be just about ambition. Personally, I believe she knows that this is the only way to stop what’s coming. I think Ella cares about others far more than she lets on… otherwise, why would she take care of those children?


That would also explain her terrified expression when she saw the likely avatar of the Seventh, the one who destroyed the Fourth. The reason the Seventh Apostle is so powerful could be precisely because of this fusion with the man, it strengthened him, though not yet enough to bring forth the “encompassing gloom, the black night, the freedom he so desperately longs to unleash and fill the world with.”
 

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MY THEORY ABOUT SUPERHUMAN

I was taking a shower when a theory about the game hit me, based on the information we already have. The first thing that came to mind was the “two parasites” mentioned by Valravn in this passage:




At first, I thought these parasites might be separate entities, something we’ve never seen before. But what if these two parasites are actually the pair of Apostles that always come together: Body and Memory?
This is by default wrong going off of the information we currently know. Yes, in the past it could be believed that Valravn was referring to them. But the Two Parasites come from beyond the Outer Sphere, according to Ella. Meaning, they come from beyond universe/creation in it's entirety with no connection to it at all. The Apostles and Arbiters have planes of existence that are part of creation, but in a higher level of existence. They also very well could be aspects of creation. So it wouldn't make sense to refer to Memory and Body as parasites. If that was the case, Val should've said 6, since it's believed that the first 3 Arbiters of Order, Evolution and Infinity were compromised. Meaning, 1st - 6th Apostles are parasites.

The Two Parasites can only be referring to the Outer Twins or some other external set of beings. Seeing as the Two Parasites are also believed to have changed the Arbiters into Apostles. At least, according to the Chaos flame. And seeing as Aglaecwif mentions that the Outer Twins are the only true gods of the bunch that she mentioned. It would seem more likely that she interprets what the Two Parasites did as being "true" gods. Since the Arbiters pretty much couldn't kill them without Chaos nuking the universe and resetting everything. Not to mention there's only two beings that are Outer Twins and only Two Parasites. That's on top of them being called "Outer" Twins and the Two Parasites coming from beyond the "Outer" spheres.
 

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This is by default wrong going off of the information we currently know. Yes, in the past it could be believed that Valravn was referring to them. But the Two Parasites come from beyond the Outer Sphere, according to Ella. Meaning, they come from beyond universe/creation in it's entirety with no connection to it at all. The Apostles and Arbiters have planes of existence that are part of creation, but in a higher level of existence. They also very well could be aspects of creation. So it wouldn't make sense to refer to Memory and Body as parasites. If that was the case, Val should've said 6, since it's believed that the first 3 Arbiters of Order, Evolution and Infinity were compromised. Meaning, 1st - 6th Apostles are parasites.

The Two Parasites can only be referring to the Outer Twins or some other external set of beings. Seeing as the Two Parasites are also believed to have changed the Arbiters into Apostles. At least, according to the Chaos flame. And seeing as Aglaecwif mentions that the Outer Twins are the only true gods of the bunch that she mentioned. It would seem more likely that she interprets what the Two Parasites did as being "true" gods. Since the Arbiters pretty much couldn't kill them without Chaos nuking the universe and resetting everything. Not to mention there's only two beings that are Outer Twins and only Two Parasites. That's on top of them being called "Outer" Twins and the Two Parasites coming from beyond the "Outer" spheres.
I see, thanks for replying! But regarding all those points you mentioned about the parasites:

  • come from beyond the Outer Sphere, according to Ella
  • Val should’ve said 6
  • according to the Chaos Flame, the Two Parasites can only be referring to the Outer Twins

Do you happen to have those passages saved in a screenshot from the game? I’d really like to check them out. My theory was built only on what I could understand from the game so far, but there are still many gap, like the role of the Eye in all of this, the ancient entities (such as the one inside Henri), and I’d like to dig deeper into it, but based on actual facts, you know? If you have them and could share later, I’d really appreciate it.
 
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I see, thanks for replying! But regarding all those points you mentioned about the parasites:

  • come from beyond the Outer Sphere, according to Ella
  • Val should’ve said 6
  • according to the Chaos Flame, the Two Parasites can only be referring to the Outer Twins

Do you happen to have those passages saved in a screenshot from the game? I’d really like to check them out. My theory was built only on what I could understand from the game so far, but there are still many gap, like the role of the Eye in all of this, the ancient entities (such as the one inside Henri), and I’d like to dig deeper into it, but based on actual facts, you know? If you have them and could share later, I’d really appreciate it.
Should be easy for you to find, no? I don't have the game installed but the Ella comment comes from the monster world when she's talking about the gods and such. The Chaos flame is at Aos city in the monster world. Valravn is the only slightly tricky one since you have to ask Aglaecwif a certain question for it and then skip to his encounter in the power draining cell. Though, I think WW also updated Ella's scene too and you have to have asked Aglaecwif about the gods as well.
 
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Okay, brother, first of all, everything I say is meant in the best possible way:

1) It seems obvious to me that Valravn was talking about the apostles of body and memory; the MC cannot have any connection to the evolution of any other apostle.

2) Why does the Apostle of Darkness want to destroy this connection? That's a huge and good question. He doesn't want to end the cycle because doing so is as simple as destroying every planet that “GOD” “needs,” although there is no verdict on why this action of consuming a world exists (personally, I think it's because “GOD” needs to feed himself, even if it's something trivial and he only enjoys it, although it makes more sense for the story that it's a necessity, perhaps like Galactus to remove the logical label of an “evil” “GOD,” you know, to bring balance to the universe by seeking “natural selection” and all that). It is infinitely easier to force the end of the cycle by destroying worlds than by hunting apostles (we don't know what it takes to kill one, although we saw that the vessel of the body was “killed,” I doubt it is that easy to kill an apostle, after all, it is only an avatar, not the apostle itself). so it seems to me that rather than wanting to end the cycle, he wants to change it.

So far, there are two “clear” paths: to follow the will of ‘GOD’ or not. The means or methods vary, but those are the two paths. I think for 7º, the idea is to follow the path of GOD, but we have to get rid of the “straying ones,” which, if confirmed, we would only have in body and memory. (I think Valravn said that the second one was also an enemy, but that scene makes me doubt it. It's when the MC meets Valravn and senses the arrival of the second one and says, “The enemy began to move.” I wondered if it was because of the second one or if Valravn knew that the appearance of the second one was because of Ella and that's why he said “enemy”). We know that they killed the 9º (I think the only “confirmed” apostle dead or at least permanently “expelled” from this plane), but we don't know why. We know from the sixth apostle that Aos Sidhe is a ‘wayward’ son, so could we put the sixth apostle on the side of “GOD”?... No idea, what is certain is that the 7th wants to kill apostles, which ones and why we don't know, I doubt he wants to be the “only one” because the other chosen ones would not support him, I think that freedom will be directed at the influence of his brothers on the current plane, but something is missing.

The other thing that occurs to me is the complete opposite: that the 7th is the good one and wants to wipe out all the apostles in order to be free, not from the influence of his brothers in the system, but so that “GOD” no longer has any way of continuing the cycle and wants to choose a less genocidal path, only wiping out his brothers and not every planet that GOD needs. But that doesn't quite add up either.


3) Apostles currently exist only on the “Higher Plane” and need an avatar body to manifest themselves in the player's dimension. These avatars display the full power of the apostle, but they quickly burn out due to the great power that flows through them. The apostle then returns to the “Higher Plane,” discarding the avatar's corpse. That's what the wiki says about apostles, so I very much agree with your theory of the fused avatar (vessel), but I'm not convinced by the “all their power” part; I think the apostles should be able to choose whether they want to appear with “all” their power or not in order to last more or less on this plane (all within logical limits and depending on the avatar), but let me know if you know if WW has responded to any of this.

I believe, although that's another theory about what she's looking for with the MC, that he is an avatar, an act so that one of the apostles can be on this plane as the 7th is, although I would love the idea of the 3rd and 4th being able to enter this plane both in the same avatar.
 
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I see, thanks for replying! But regarding all those points you mentioned about the parasites:

  • come from beyond the Outer Sphere, according to Ella
  • Val should’ve said 6
  • according to the Chaos Flame, the Two Parasites can only be referring to the Outer Twins

Do you happen to have those passages saved in a screenshot from the game? I’d really like to check them out. My theory was built only on what I could understand from the game so far, but there are still many gap, like the role of the Eye in all of this, the ancient entities (such as the one inside Henri), and I’d like to dig deeper into it, but based on actual facts, you know? If you have them and could share later, I’d really appreciate it.
Alright, with little time I have, I skimmed up to the Ella part from my saves. Here's the screenshots for her part.
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By the way, the second line in the first screenshot can be interpreted as the order of the hierarchy as far as Ella's knowledge goes. That being Arbiters, Apostles and Qlippoth and other entities like the Chosen. The last screenshot supports this by her mentioning where the Qlippoth fits.
 

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Alright, with little time I have, I skimmed up to the Ella part from my saves. Here's the screenshots for her part.
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By the way, the second line in the first screenshot can be interpreted as the order of the hierarchy as far as Ella's knowledge goes. That being Arbiters, Apostles and Qlippoth and other entities like the Chosen. The last screenshot supports this by her mentioning where the Qlippoth fits.
Thanks for your patience, man. So, from what I interpreted, she says there are entities and beings that existed before creation. I guess I didn’t pay much attention to that, because at first I thought she was simply talking about the Apostles.


But this… sounds like something else, like creatures or gods from outside, beyond them, external threats. In your text, though, you said the Apostles are also part of creation, which goes against my earlier interpretation that they were supreme forms derived from the supreme god, who split into 2, then into 6, and finally into 12. I guess I was mistaken, then.


In that sense, the Apostles wouldn’t be everything, right? They’d still be incredibly powerful entities, but also under threat. After all, even though these parasites are “non-gods,” the Apostles still haven’t managed to wipe them out.


What’s really interesting is the idea that there are multiverses in Superhuman. I didn’t know that. The “Outer Spheres,” in this context, seem more like portals or barriers separating our universe from what lies beyond it. That’s why she says they’ve already been violated before, I assume by beings entering or leaving this universe. Meanwhile, the “normal” spheres, like the one the Qlippoth extends into, would just be vast spatial extensions within the universe itself, since they were born after creation.


As for your theory that they’re the Outer Twins and the “true gods,” I’m not so sure. The context suggests more that these beings invaded our universe, not that they are the ultimate supreme gods above everything in all universes. They actually seem… unwanted, almost out of place here.


If you can find or point out when in the game the Memory of Chaos appears, I’d really appreciate it. And if you’d like to explain how cosmology works from your perspective within this context, I’d be grateful too.
 

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Thanks for your patience, man. So, from what I interpreted, she says there are entities and beings that existed before creation. I guess I didn’t pay much attention to that, because at first I thought she was simply talking about the Apostles.


But this… sounds like something else, like creatures or gods from outside, beyond them, external threats. In your text, though, you said the Apostles are also part of creation, which goes against my earlier interpretation that they were supreme forms derived from the supreme god, who split into 2, then into 6, and finally into 12. I guess I was mistaken, then.


In that sense, the Apostles wouldn’t be everything, right? They’d still be incredibly powerful entities, but also under threat. After all, even though these parasites are “non-gods,” the Apostles still haven’t managed to wipe them out.


What’s really interesting is the idea that there are multiverses in Superhuman. I didn’t know that. The “Outer Spheres,” in this context, seem more like portals or barriers separating our universe from what lies beyond it. That’s why she says they’ve already been violated before, I assume by beings entering or leaving this universe. Meanwhile, the “normal” spheres, like the one the Qlippoth extends into, would just be vast spatial extensions within the universe itself, since they were born after creation.


As for your theory that they’re the Outer Twins and the “true gods,” I’m not so sure. The context suggests more that these beings invaded our universe, not that they are the ultimate supreme gods above everything in all universes. They actually seem… unwanted, almost out of place here.


If you can find or point out when in the game the Memory of Chaos appears, I’d really appreciate it. And if you’d like to explain how cosmology works from your perspective within this context, I’d be grateful too.
"I see them. The enemy."
"Our kin. Twisted."
"We are the last."
"The only three to have prepared."
"The others were taken as newborns and now...."
"Six. They should be lesser.... but are they?"
"Twins... their nature...."
"Our preparations came to naught. We acted too late."
"All must begin again. Chaos. Burns it all down."
"Rebirth. The time will come."
"Our ashes will pave the way."
"We three..."
"And one other."
 
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Ive got some questions since I haven't really played this game and I was hoping for some guidance. Regarding the shapeshifting and how prevalent it is, I dont find taking control of a female body and getting fucked appealing. Nor taking over someone else's body and sleeping with their partner. Im cool with impersonating people to gain information but thats about where my interest ends. With all this in mind is this still a game I should bother playing or should I just move along?
The genderbender stuff is just an option to do. At most you investigate as a girl you can go futa and bang a girl or go as a girl and get banged with her. Option is always yours. You're never forced into anything. There are some monster scenes with you as a girl though, still optional. You can just turn into a dude and kill them immediately if you want
 

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“I see them. The enemy.”
I assume this refers to the external threat, something coming from another universe.


“Our kin. Twisted.”
This suggests that three of the Arbiters were corrupted, whether controlled, altered, or grievously damaged.


“We are the last.”
Meaning only three Arbiters remained alive, while the others had already fallen.


“The only three to have prepared. The others were taken as newborns and now....”
Here it implies that the remaining three were the only ones who had readied themselves, while the others were overtaken before they could defend themselves.


“Six. They should be lesser.... but are they?”
This is fascinating. It implies that the six Apostles, formed from the fall of three Arbiters, were believed to be inherently weaker. Yet there is doubt, perhaps they are not so diminished after all.


“Twins... their nature....”
This line confirms the twin nature among them, a detail of great significance.


“Our preparations came to naught. We acted too late.”
This means they foresaw the coming of the external threat, but their efforts proved insufficient, their failure sealed the fate of their realm.


“All must begin again. Chaos. Burns it all down.”
This is the most intriguing passage. If this truly is the Arbiter of Chaos speaking in the context of war against an external force, it seems unlikely that Chaos alone could have destroyed them. Which suggests that corruption had already spread too deeply, even to the Arbiters themselves. Perhaps the universe had become so tainted that Chaos had no choice but to burn it all away.


“Rebirth. The time will come.”
This indicates that after failure, the surviving Arbiters resolved to prepare anew, waiting for the moment when they could face this external enemy once again.


“Our ashes will pave the way. We three... And one other.”
Here lies the true mystery. Did the three surviving Arbiters perish in the total annihilation brought by Chaos? The phrase “our ashes” suggests so. That would align perfectly: six Apostles born, plus six that perished in Chaos (the three corrupted alongside the three who still stood). If the six Apostles had already been created before Chaos consumed everything, then they would have perished a second time, perhaps this time irreversibly.


But then comes the riddle: “We three... and one other.” Who is this “other”? Another ally? An enemy who fell with them? Or some hidden presence that escaped notice? Who is this one?! Perhaps... the Eye. Just a theory, but it would fit disturbingly well.
 
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