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Pulling that move off with Deryl in his suit will allow him to raise his reaction speed and allow him to evade quick high-powered attacks or rapid combo attacks, like during the fight with Cole when Mc had to cover for Deryl. However, I feel like that's something Derly could improve himself by boosting himself with drugs, further improving his suit or just improving his combat and piloting skills.

With Amber though, the two of them would likely become ridiculously overpowered in battles of attrition, with Amber's strength rebalance trick, the mc might even gain more power than he's losing from damage to his armor, while the enemy will lose more power from attacking, losing power to Amber's water, and whatever power their bodies will spend trying to recover from their wounds at a likely slower pace than the mc.

In Liz's case, Alice said it best when she was working on her ring, with Mc boosting her strength and increasing her attack options to more than her limbs, combined with her genius instincts, she can teleport into the enemy's guard and utterly destroy them. Can you imagine if Liz unleashed an attack with a Mantis Shrimp mechanism into unguarded parts of her enemies with each of her teleports?

Now Alice though, with how much she's grown and how she now has extra limbs, I can't really see how performing that move would be useful, except for maybe the camouflage aspect. The Mc can feed her memories of her opponents' abilities and mess with their heads without becoming her suit of armor. She can increase the power of her strikes through her gravity manipulation even further if she chooses to, and her barrier is much stronger defensively, she even has a one-off instant evasion option for attacks she can't afford to get hit by or conventionally dodge with her portal ring.
 

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My best guess where the Chosen stack up:

Valravn >= Indra > Algaecwif >= Black Mouth > Captains, roughly > Level 5 Ella > Eisheth > Aos > Level 4 Ella

Syla somewhere in between Algaecwif and Eisheth, I just dunno if she could beat a Captain.
Who the fuck knows about Rebis.
Time Chosen survived a fight against healthy Valravn but then died to Level 4 Ella so she could be literally anywhere.
If you were gonna revive any Chosen of Authority, you'd choose the strongest, and since Black Mouth is the first Authority chosen it's reasonable imo to put him on par with Algaecwif.
Ella asserts if need be, she could kill Eisheth. Considering Eisheth dogwalked a couple of newborn Level 5s, that puts her at minimum 25k-30k, and if we assume Ella was at the high end of Level 4 (10k-15k), then she'd be at the 30k-35k mark, so the sanity check works out.
 
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My best guess where the Chosen stack up:

Valravn >= Indra > Algaecwif >= Black Mouth > Captains, roughly > Level 5 Ella > Eisheth > Aos > Level 4 Ella

Syla somewhere in between Algaecwif and Eisheth, I just dunno if she could beat a Captain.
Who the fuck knows about Rebis.
Time Chosen survived a fight against healthy Valravn but then died to Level 4 Ella so she could be literally anywhere.
If you were gonna revive any Chosen of Authority, you'd choose the strongest, and since Black Mouth is the first Authority chosen it's reasonable imo to put him on par with Algaecwif.
Ella asserts if need be, she could kill Eisheth. Considering Eisheth dogwalked a couple of newborn Level 5s, that puts her at minimum 25k-30k, and if we assume Ella was at the high end of Level 4 (10k-15k), then she'd be at the 30k-35k mark, so the sanity check works out.
By captains you don't mean the big three do you ? If so, hard disagree, doubt it.
Also regarding the Time's supposed Chosen, Ella outright states she was left ''critically injured'' , so that particular example proves nothing.

Personally I believe Indra is close to Valravn ( his full power ), then comes Aglae, then Eisheth, and Aos ( currently, as he is weaker than he used to be ) last.
Ella probably ranked somewhere beetwen Eisheth and Aos.

But I doubt any of them can match either Bernhardt, Malik, or Henry. With Lucius and Nyx maybe outclassing them too.
Personaly I believe Indra could match Malik, for a while anyway, but not Bernhardt. And we don't know how Aglae would fare against either.

And the Black Mouth is too unknown, the only sort of evidence we have points to him/her being on the weaker spectrum, why ? Because it was posessing Yuren, who is a experienced level 3. I think we can draw a similarity to Langdon's own posession powers, how it was stated he cannot posses those at or beyond his level, so if we follow that train of throught, the Black Mouth using Yuren as their posessed might suggest they can only posses individuals up to level 3 but maybe not beyond.

In the temple where the Mc found all those brain fucked monsters it also shows evidence to the Black Mouth being able to only mentally dominate those on the weaker spectrum, as Claire was I believe only a B class I think ? And the rest also seemed like low tier.
But again, baseless speculation so who knows.

I used to believe Indra and Valravn ( in his prime ), could face off against any captain other than Bernhardt, then we saw Malik fuck up a planet single-handedly, so now my vote is that the big three are untouchable by anyone in a straight fight currently, Chosen included.

Edit :, Actually, Claire must have been C rank no ? In the Monster World arc the Gorgon and Zilant are both called B rank, and I doubt a Banshee is on the same level as those two.
 
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Chosen as ranked, in my current view, are:

1. Aglaecwif or Black Mouth
2. Black or Aglaecwif
3. Indra
4. Valravn or Rebis
5. Rebis or Valravn
6. Syla or Eisheth
7. Eisheth or Syla
8. Aos (full power)
9. Ella

By the way, Claire was B Rank like all other Banshee... She was a B Rank hunt for a reason. She also has a monster card.
 
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In Liz's case, Alice said it best when she was working on her ring, with Mc boosting her strength and increasing her attack options to more than her limbs, combined with her genius instincts, she can teleport into the enemy's guard and utterly destroy them. Can you imagine if Liz unleashed an attack with a Mantis Shrimp mechanism into unguarded parts of her enemies with each of her teleports?
Or Liz using the strength and durability of the MC armor to drag a foe into a puddle without leaving herself vulnerable to counters like she was against the drekavac. Fight back all you want, she's in a suit of living power armor, she will win the struggle and get out of it unharmed. In fact, given that the MC can partially liquify himself, she might be able to turn the surface of the armor directly into a portal, and then they just bear hug a foe to the bottom of the sea.

Which would then play super well into your idea, because even if the enemy isn't killed by the water pressure or lack of air, they'd literally be in Liz's element. Between the MC providing fins and streamlining, Liz being an Olympic-level swimmer, and her water teleportion, fighting a foe in the ocean would give them a huge mobility advantage. And underwater a Mantis Shrimp mechanism will create cavitation shockwaves and plasma, so their attacks would get even stronger. It would make a really cool combo move for them.
 

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Chosen as ranked, in my current view, are:

1. Aglaecwif or Black Mouth
2. Black or Aglaecwif
3. Indra
4. Valravn or Rebis
5. Rebis or Valravn
6. Syla or Eisheth
7. Eisheth or Syla
8. Aos (full power)
9. Ella

By the way, Claire was B Rank like all other Banshee... She was a B Rank hunt for a reason. She also has a monster card.
Valravn on the same spot as the Rebis ? Who is literaly said to be non-combat oriented ? Meanwhile Valravn is said to be Indra's match ? Given Val said they both killed around the same number of other Chosen ? And Sylla could only think of naming Indra when Valravn said his heart was stolen ? Literaly saying who else could have stolen his heart ? On the same spot as the Rebis ?
And Ella two whole spots bellow Eisheth ?

And putting the Black Mouth above freaking Indra ? As a contender for the strongest chosen ? Based on zilch information ? And putting Indra, on third spot ? They guy who genocided races and killed who knows how many Chosen ? The guy who with one summon of his weapon obliterated Sylla's strongest form ? In the OtherWorld mind you ? Where he should have been at his weakest ?

Yep, to each their own I guess.

Also my confusion with Claire was that it was clearly stated in the Monster World arc that the Zilant and the Gorgon were also B tier, which to me seemed insane to put those two in the same category as Claire so that's where my confusion came from but she is indeed listed as B funny enough.
 
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To each their own.

But Valravn on the same spot as the Rebis ? Who is literaly said to be non-combat oriented ? Meanwhile Valravn is said to be Indra's match ? Given Val said they both killed around the same number of other Chosen ? And Sylla could only think of naming Indra when Valravn said his heart was stolen ? Literaly saying who else could have stolen his heart ? On the same spot as the Rebis ?
And Ella two whole spots bellow Eisheth ?

And putting the Black Mouth above freaking Indra ? As a contender for the strongest chosen ? Based on zilch information ? And putting Indra, on third spot ? They guy who genocided races and killed who knows how many Chosen ? The guy who with one summon of his weapon obliterated Sylla's strongest form ? In the OtherWorld mind you ? Where he should have been at his weakest ?

Yep, to each their own I guess, just gonna forget I read that and we can carry on.

Also my confusion with Claire was that it was clearly stated in the Monster World arc that the Zilant and the Gorgon were also B tier, which to me seemed insane to put those two in the same category as Claire so that's where my confusion came from but she is indeed listed as B funny enough.
Ah, I see you're not as up to speed on Black Mouth. I already explained it so I don't feel the need to rehash it over again. Let's just say that Black Mouth is way stronger than you think and you're only seeing a weaker version after he just woke back up.

Just read the Changing Heart scene over again and then read the lore that comes from Kelly's cupcake.
 
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Ah, I see you're not as up to speed on Black Mouth. I already explained it so I don't feel the need to rehash it over again. Let's just say that Black Mouth is way stronger than you think and you're only seeing a weaker version after he just woke back up.

Just read the Changing Heart scene over again and then read the lore that comes from Kelly's cupcake.
Nah I am up to speed, but those two didn't mention which Chosen of Authority they mentioned, and even if they did mention the Black Mouth, that makes it evidence enough for you to put him above both Indra and Valravn ?

Again, I disagree.
If those memories refer to the Black Mouth, that means he defeated and killed a Chosen of the Body, ok, but again, Indra and Valravn killed several other Chosen, so where's the evidence that points to the Black Mouth being stronger than both ?

Again, maybe he is ??? But also it's very likely he isn't.
So if those little lore clues are all that make you put the Black Mouth above both Indra and Valravn, well I think you're jumping to conclusionss here badly.
 
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Nah I am up to speed, but those two didn't mention which Chosen of Authority they mentioned, and even if they did mention the Black Mouth, that makes it evidence enough for you to put him above both Indra and Valravn ?

Again, I disagree.
If those memories refer to the Black Mouth, that means he defeated and killed a Chosen of the Body, ok, but again, Indra and Valravn killed several other Chosen, so where's the evidence that points to the Black Mouth being stronger than both ?

Again, maybe he is ??? But also it's very likely he isn't.
To be frank, I don't really need you to agree with me or to prove anything for why I have it such a way. You're the one that came to my post trying to question my placement in the first place.

That said, the memories said the 1st Chosen made Body, Dark and Destruction bleed. If your entire reasoning for Valravn and Indra being strongest is Chosen kill count. Black Mouth would have 3, including the previous 7th Chosen. That's on top of him killing the previous 3rd Chosen who supposedly beat all of the other Chosen at the time of his reign. I don't need much more reason beyond that really. You can still disagree with it or find some reason for why you don't like it. But it won't change my ranking of it.
 
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Personally, id say its:
1/2: Valravn and Indra
3: Black Mouth
4: Aglaecwif
5: Syla (otherworld)
6: Ella
7: Eisheth
8: Aos
9: Rebis

As stated before, Valravn and Indra have multiple statements putting them on par with each other, like Syla saying only Indra could kill Rav, and Rav then saying he could've protected Syla from Indra. They've both killed 3 chosen each, which would definitely put them above most chosen.

The Black mouth is most likely the champion of Authority mentioned in the cupcake memory and he's implied to have killed the previous Chosen of the Body, the Darkness, and the destruction, so he has a pretty good track record. I personally don't have him on the same level as the other two since he's probably weakened or something, but he was probably around their level in his prime.

Aglaecwif is the oldest chosen, and was hyped up by Ella a whole bunch too. Syla said the only one who could beat her in the otherworld is Glae, and since she can just pull people into the otherworld, I'm putting her right below Aglaecwif.
 
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I think I agree with Jonathan Y. If I remember right, Indra has the ability to become the Avatar of Power. If that's the case, he can, at least temporarily, wield the full power of an apostle. That alone should put him at the top, no?
 

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edgelord indra may have the biggest power pool

but the walking child support demand is the real danger
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Hax Mommy Aglaecwif too op. Casually fucks over Ella's plan during the battle of diamonds for some dick and because she got her kids killed. Doesn't care about what her lord, the 10th Apostle is doing with the pact between the 7th and 9th. While spreading some info about Arbiters and Apostles not being true gods, while also glazing the Outer Twins. Has Valravn about to tweak the fuck out at the mention of her name. Completely unbothered by Malik's flame and actually had him abandon HERO after a few minutes of talking to him, even though she had his lieutenant tied up.

Only person with better hax is probably Shopkeep. Maybe Deus.
 
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