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Zekethor2

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I read some theories about why Memory and Body work together, but I know the truth!

Memory is such a bum that her brother feels sorry for her and always tags along when she wants to do something, and when he wants to do something, he brings her along too. Memory is the disabled sibling!!!
There’s something I’ve been thinking about regarding Memory: if the Apostles were once either a single complete god, or perhaps a pair of twins that split into six Arbiters, then Memory would be the only remaining trace of the entire past mind of God. Just imagine the amount of knowledge, answers, and wisdom she carries. She might even still hold the will of those higher beings to this day.

Although Authority is described as the will of God, how can one truly recognize His will without His memories?
 
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There’s something I’ve been thinking about regarding Memory: if the Apostles were once either a single complete god, or perhaps a pair of twins that split into six Arbiters, then Memory would be the only remaining trace of the entire past mind of God. Just imagine the amount of knowledge, answers, and wisdom she carries. She might even still hold the will of those higher beings to this day.

Although Authority is described as the will of God, how can one truly recognize His will without His memories?
Well, Memory is the best one at walking the paths, which connects all the Apostles, so her having this information is probable, but, if her progeny is to be taken as example, we can assume she is kinda dumdum.

Also Authority is a masive Karen, she doesn't care if she actually is the will of GOD or not, as long as she believes so, she will try to force everyone else to treat her accordingly.

(this post is so biased)
 

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I’d probably relegate the feeling of the MC seeming “weak” to him almost always going *splat* whenever he’s in a fight. I think we can count it on one hand the number of times that he wasn’t torn in half with ease by his opponents.
It's not about how many times you get knocked down, it's about how many times you get back up and keep going. I like that about the MC power, alone he doesn't have lasers or flashy powers but in a very weird (hehe) way he embodies the strength of the small, the ability to adapt and overcome, like the tardigrades but with a big shlong.
 

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From my point of view, the author is making him weaker or less useful—like when Syla tells him he won’t be as good with his traits as a pure one would be. Also, the author seems to want to limit the MC’s healing abilities. And there’s the issue that he didn’t grow at all in the monster world, at least in my opinion.
I mean, we always knew that he was weaker in his traits than a pure one. He never did much with Memory, even when he reached level 3 it was pretty limited, and Xanthe straight up tells the MC that Ella had far more fine control over her body than he does, even as a level 1. So what if he's weaker in the traits than a pure one? He has both, which makes him far more powerful than a pure.
WW isn't really limiting his healing abilities, just clarifying what he can actually do, which is less than most people assumed.
I'll grant you that he didn't grow in the monster world, but that arc was clearly focused on developing the relationships between Alice, Michael, Deryl, the twins, and the MC.
 

harem.king

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Passive growth starts at lv 3.
wiki does not say passive growth. just continuous growth as long as they train.
This means at the "Strengthening stage" there is no longer a cap to how much power a superhuman can accumulate. As a long as they keep training their power will keep growing and their body will follow suit.
 
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Hm, it was yesterday's stream. You can watch and listen for yourself. He gave the reasons, and he has always said Bernie was special for standard Superhumans. I do agree it makes no sense, he is THAT strong, maybe he lied yesterday, but he has always said this maybe to avoid spoilers, but he even called Malik's situation unique too, so who knows.
I just checked it out and I could never have imagined the stream you're talking about is about ranking cock sizes.
 
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I've been thinking, being the 4th is kinda rough, I mean, always horny, everybody considers you weak, your lifegoal is depending on a dude who's constantly fucking around (can't even give you grandchildren) and getting himself killed, the two girls you decide to help out fail you, and your true Son, who you love very dearly, prefers your twin brother over you.
 
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I've been thinking, being the 4th is kinda rough, I mean, always horny, everybody considers you weak, your lifegoal is depending on a dude who's constantly fucking around (can't even give you grandchildren) and getting himself killed, the two girls you decide to help out fail you, and your true Son, who you love very dearly, prefers your twin brother over you.
......What are you even talking about?......
 

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I read some theories about why Memory and Body work together, but I know the truth!

Memory is such a bum that her brother feels sorry for her and always tags along when she wants to do something, and when he wants to do something, he brings her along too. Memory is the disabled sibling!!!
I have evidence to support my claims.

Evidence 1: The way Memorie decided how to infect the MC. When the Body and Memory attempted to infect the MC, they take two distinct approaches. Body showcases his powers and overpowers the protagonist, similar to what Powers did with Michael. Memory, on the other hand, takes a more sexual route, using the MC's memories to shapeshift into a form he would find attractive.

People think the reason is because Memory was horny, but I disagree. Memory is such a bum that she has become accustomed to never winning fights, and because of that, she has grown used to trying to seduce her adversaries instead, to the point that she even resorts to it against a normal human.

Evidence 2: Shapeshifting. Have you ever questioned why Memorie relies on shapeshifting so much? It's simple—she saw the way her brother fights and started imitating him to try to be some kind of threat. But unlike her brother, who changes his form at will to adapt to every situation, Memorie only shifts into certain individuals she or her opponent remembers. So, while Body improves himself constantly, Memorie has to hope that the version of a being she transforms into is strong enough to defeat her opponents, all while being limited by her base power level.

Evidence 3: Applications of Memorie's powers. I think many of us have already thought about interesting ways to use Memorie's abilities. Making opponents forget how to fight, causing a superhuman to forget they are superhuman, erasing a person's existence from the world or a place, making every action that being had ever taken null because the world forgot it happened. So many intriguing possibilities, yet little to no practical application has been shown. Why? Simple—Memorie is a bum, and those she infects are condemned to live with the limitations of a bum. These applications demand too much power to be used, and the difference in power levels between the user and the target must be astronomical for many of her abilities to have any lasting effect beyond mere seconds. A true fraud.
 

therealguy30

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Any idea how the game will address "cheating"? (having multiple official love interests, I mean, because I'm not sure it's even possible to go through the game without sleeping around at least a little). The last update I played was the one ending with Michael's sky monologue, so idk if a recent update answers this but it'd be good to know before starting another playthrough. It didn't seem like Amber/Liz or Alice were all that bothered by it, though.
 
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Any idea how the game will address "cheating"? (having multiple official love interests, I mean, because I'm not sure it's even possible to go through the game without sleeping around at least a little). The last update I played was the one ending with Michael's sky monologue, so idk if a recent update answers this but it'd be good to know before starting another playthrough. It didn't seem like Amber/Liz or Alice were all that bothered by it, though.
The status quo of girls not being bothered at all by the Mc sleeping around holds strong from the beginning until the current update.
Which to me seems like a way to please the harem obsessed crowd rather than anything else.

Personaly I hope we will get in the distant future the choice to pick one love interest rather than the game always making every heroine somehow totaly fine with having the potentially biggest manslut in the human and monster world combined for a boyfriend.

I stand by my view that from the few snipets of dialogue, Alice is not ok with sharing and is posessive, however given the roller coaster of danger they were in during the Monster World it makes sense she did not have the time to be bothered by the Mc's relationship with Amber/Liz.
Liz is also fine with the Mc sleeping around, but that is more of a defense mechanism she creates from her low self-esteem rather than anything more. Amber I don't see why she would be ok with a manslut, I mean she did fantasize about their '' prince '' and so on, which to me implies Amber is looking for a more normal, grounded relationship.

Other than that, Ella also seems to have it in her to be very posessive, as way back in the human world, when the Mc attended their concert and Ella found out he had been sleeping with both Christie and Emily, she seemed not to mind but did say he belongs to her, implying she would be ok with fucking around so long as no feelings are involved. Which is the complete opposite of what he can achive with both Alice and the Foxglove twins, all three for whom he can harbor and receive feelings of genuine love from.

Emily seemed ok with being non-commital mostly due to her own awkward-ness and hestitation, but should Emily fall in love with the Mc I also don't see her tolerating two timing, or ten timing, for that matter.

So yeah, I cannot see any plausible scenario in which the Mc can live happily ever after, sticking his dick into anything remotely hole-shaped and romancing any human and relatively human looking monster on existence whilst at the same time holding a relationship with Alice, Ella and/or the Foxglove twins.

I said it before and not to sound like a broken record, but I've seen enough visual novels dillute the heroine's personalities just to sort-of plausibly insert a harem scenario for the folk who are super into it, and I hope that won't be the case here.
 
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I mean, we always knew that he was weaker in his traits than a pure one. He never did much with Memory, even when he reached level 3 it was pretty limited, and Xanthe straight up tells the MC that Ella had far more fine control over her body than he does, even as a level 1. So what if he's weaker in the traits than a pure one? He has both, which makes him far more powerful than a pure.
WW isn't really limiting his healing abilities, just clarifying what he can actually do, which is less than most people assumed.
I'll grant you that he didn't grow in the monster world, but that arc was clearly focused on developing the relationships between Alice, Michael, Deryl, the twins, and the MC.
I stand by the idea that Memory has been under utilized because if it was utilized in ways that make sense given its name sake, the MC would fight like Professor X, which is not what Weird wants and this is why it seems weak, he would fight like Jake.

Jake was basically doing everything that I imagine the MC would do if he went all in on Memory instead of body. People where forgetting things about him, their memories where being altered, if they are strong you can slowly ware them down until you slowly alter their memories.

The ability to alter memories is incredibly powerful, you completely alter someone's perception of events, turn an ally into an enemy, you into their savior and that's not even getting into the more abstract uses we see the power have, like pulling memories into reality.
 

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I stand by the idea that Memory has been under utilized because if it was utilized in ways that make sense given its name sake, the MC would fight like Professor X, which is not what Weird wants and this is why it seems weak, he would fight like Jake.

Jake was basically doing everything that I imagine the MC would do if he went all in on Memory instead of body. People where forgetting things about him, their memories where being altered, if they are strong you can slowly ware them down until you slowly alter their memories.

The ability to alter memories is incredibly powerful, you completely alter someone's perception of events, turn an ally into an enemy, you into their savior and that's not even getting into the more abstract uses we see the power have, like pulling memories into reality.
Where Memory would be at its greatest when your target has no idea they're supposed to resist anything, similarly to what Jake did with Alexis. If the target isn't actively resisting your mental attack, the resistance their power grants would be much less effective.

In contrast to Authority, in direct combat, or a direct situation in general, Memory would only be strong against someone with less power than you. If they're relative to or greater than you power-wise, they could likely resist what you're doing/break out of it quickly enough, and you likely have little to no response to getting splattered across the floor, if you're not in the Dream World.

Authority, meanwhile, has much more effective direct applications than Memory. It has a passive effect to prevent attackers, and can use its short duration much better than Memory could. Making your opponent bite their tongue, snap their neck, fire at themselves, or even just stop in place or take an inconvenient stance for just a single second, are much more effective uses than making them forget how to fight for even twenty seconds (a huge stretch)... given that a Memory user can't exactly attack with something on their level anyway, since their body is weak and they have no particularly destructive moves.

So Authority is more versatile than Memory, both in indirect situations, being able to just have someone do whatever you want with no regard for the context and without needing to completely reconstruct the target's mind to have them obey you, and in direct situations, for the reasons stated above.

...Well, thats only if you look at the "mundane" uses of Memory. Since they can shapeshift to some extent, and possibly use the powers of others, things might be much fairer in reality. But it's kind of unclear how much of what Syla displayed in the Dream World is applicable in reality, too, so who knows. Until we get a proper explanation of how Memory works, we're not gonna have any definitive answers.
 

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I used to clown Creation for being trash, but yeah what can Memory even do at low levels? I swear, if it can't copy powers at higher levels, it's literally useless on its own.
 
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