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now that would be an interesting powerscale discussion. Also which version of Supes and Goku, coz there is lots of them and they wildly vary in scale. Even then it's a highly debated topic which one would take it. But I somewhat doubt Bernhardt would beat those two considering some of their feats.Who's the stongest: Superman, Goku or Bernhardt?
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Assuming that none of them are so physically superior that the other can't react at all to their attacks, or their defenses are so high that they deal only 1 point of damage to their hp, or their regeneration is so high that they recover more than the damage they take, wouldn't Bernhardt have the advantage?
I know superman and Goku have ranged attacks, but don't they generally prefer fighting at close range, with Goku only using ranged attacks for a finisher or a distraction? Goku does have his teleportation, but I have never seen punch hard enough to break a planet, and considering Bernhardt's defense against Eisthet's attacks he would need to hit that hard to get through his protection. While Superman has no trick to close the difference, but astounding defense, and great recovery. However, from what we have seen, Bernhardt seems to prefer to fight exclusively at range, assuming Bernhardt's attacks can pierce their defenses, won't he generally have the advantage, considering his defenses, speed, and attack range? Also, isn't Bernhardt more bloodthirsty and prone to murder than the other two? Doesn't that give him an edge?
I know superman and Goku have ranged attacks, but don't they generally prefer fighting at close range, with Goku only using ranged attacks for a finisher or a distraction? Goku does have his teleportation, but I have never seen punch hard enough to break a planet, and considering Bernhardt's defense against Eisthet's attacks he would need to hit that hard to get through his protection. While Superman has no trick to close the difference, but astounding defense, and great recovery. However, from what we have seen, Bernhardt seems to prefer to fight exclusively at range, assuming Bernhardt's attacks can pierce their defenses, won't he generally have the advantage, considering his defenses, speed, and attack range? Also, isn't Bernhardt more bloodthirsty and prone to murder than the other two? Doesn't that give him an edge?
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The Specter
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I like Bernhardt but his asshole is getting obliterated by superman, those comic feats are ridiculous. Might win against goku as long as it's his dbz version. Maybe, i dunno.
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Are you sure about that? He has the entire atmosphere at his fingertips. Air is omnipresent across the entire surface of the Earth. I would really think he could perform the infamous Evil Buu attack (you know, the one that killed every human on Earth), targeting every monster on the planet, unless of course I’m misunderstanding his power.
Then again, it would probably be indiscriminate killing of humans, superhumans, and everything else if he doesn’t have finer control. On the other hand, he should probably be able to feel differences in the air based on the size, speed, and whatnot of a monster.
Superman's peak feats are many tiers above Bernhardt's. Bernhardt at his best can probably push the entire planet's atmosphere on Supes, and Superman will still not be bothered. Superman's feats include bench pressing planets and much more, it quite frankly isnt a contest.Who's the stongest: Superman, Goku or Bernhardt?
There must be Doomsday's popping every day everywhere for Bernhardt and the other lvl 5 heroes not to be able to eradicate them definitely. Or they have evolved so much above human level that they don't care about them dying to low level monsters
Goku again is way too powerful to be even bothered by literally any superhuman (except Deus or any other time manipulator I guess). With his blue transformation he had the power to destroy universes. Bernhardt wins is if he fights against an SSJ1 Goku (he could potentially take on SSJ2 but idk about that). SSJ3 and above bitchslap Bernie.
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I think asking why the level 5's are so busy when they can potentially move around the world and end a threat in seconds is just one of those things you shouldn't think too much about. Just accept that it needs to be that way, same as why Superman or the Flash, or other superspeed heroes aren't constantly showing up in other stories for a fraction of a second to end the threat and then speed off.
burnigold's max power is still not confirmed. His best isnt "pushing an entire planets atmosphere onto Supes", its planck pressure, look it up if you dont know, and that isnt even his limit probably since he's so chill about every god like existential threat thrown at him, even arbiter MC who 'Consumed' an entire dimension worth of monsters or something and easily defeated Hex who can create dimensions who knows how many 1000s of AUs big. Plus supermans weird advantage is that there are so many iterations and versions of him ever since he was created 80 years ago, and every writer was given the leeway to do anything they want with the character, meaning some iterations got absolutely laughably stupid powers and alota dudes just jumble all the iterations and feats together and create this superman that is basically a omnipotent god who can do anything, that is what Screw attack tried doing in death battle. Benedict Cumburbatch and Kakarot dont get this unfair advantage.
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Indeed, I don't think there's a good excuse for that. Of course, Weird could say that by doing so, they would end up causing destruction and killing many more people than they would save. For the big three, the world must be like a spider's web: one pull and they destroy everything
Let Weird male cook maybe this would get a proper explaination and we wont even have to ask this question once more lore comes out.
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Well, the big three casually approaching Hex's dimension was enough cause an earthquake and during their approach Henri directly states that the range of his power already spread to other sectors. Cracking the lid on his powers to move and pull off a single act of reality manipulation already meant he could affect the surface area of a country. Bernie and the other big boys must be using 0.0001% of their power at all times.
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My point is you're making it harder for them by focusing on something that isn't really that important, does it really matter? Do minor background details need to make perfect sense?
When it comes to the level 5s, I think Clark mentioned it once after the battle of diamonds, when he recruited the mc to help kill a monster in the sewers, about how the fight was breeze, but the travel was a pain. I think aside from the big 3, the other lvl 5s aren't fast enough to respond to an attack in another sector before damage occurs, so they have to rely on the future predictions, and wait for the monster to appear, or play hide and seek with it until they find, it which eats up their time.
Also, remember what Stephen said that it's not a few thousand but a few handfuls that are protecting the planet, if every monster attack in every sector has more than one A rank, that implies that they are deploying the lieutenants, and captains, in addition to the clone units, to every attack, and without Nico constantly acting as a taxi for the others, they will always be slower than the teleported monsters leading to casualties.
In conclusion, I think the reason the level 5s are kept busy isn't because it's difficult for them to kill the monsters, but because they are always playing catch up on a planetary scale. I mean imagine if you are playing a game of whack a mole, with an unknown time limit, and every time you fail to kill the mole the first time it appears, you lose points (which in this case is lives or portions of the planet), wouldn't that drive you crazy? When you don't the time limit won't it feel like a game you are already losing?
Also, remember what Stephen said that it's not a few thousand but a few handfuls that are protecting the planet, if every monster attack in every sector has more than one A rank, that implies that they are deploying the lieutenants, and captains, in addition to the clone units, to every attack, and without Nico constantly acting as a taxi for the others, they will always be slower than the teleported monsters leading to casualties.
In conclusion, I think the reason the level 5s are kept busy isn't because it's difficult for them to kill the monsters, but because they are always playing catch up on a planetary scale. I mean imagine if you are playing a game of whack a mole, with an unknown time limit, and every time you fail to kill the mole the first time it appears, you lose points (which in this case is lives or portions of the planet), wouldn't that drive you crazy? When you don't the time limit won't it feel like a game you are already losing?
Nah thats a valid question to ask; where the hell are the big 3 and what're they doin'? Its not some minor background detail. And that question will be answered soon. We know malik has gone full schizophrenic and deserted his post, only burnhard and henry left. I think we already know the answer and that is henry is too unstable and doesnt have full control over his powers, and despite how strong and efficient burnhard is, the monster forces are too strong and have too much hax for even burnhard to one shot all of em in a fraction of a second efficiently without blowing the planet up, thats why hes holding back alot and following the directions of HERO. Your point about Marvel/DC superheroes doesnt apply to Superhuman because superhuman doesnt have to follow that trope, certain superhumans not showing up when they shouldve always has an explanation I think, unlike something like the MCU.
To add to this, its possible that Henry is already doing something, he stated in the soul plane that as long as hes there, earth is safe. So it could be a possibility that circumstances would be waaaay worse at the moment without whatever henry is possibly doing at the moment.
Buu could accurately sense the energy of and possibly even see every human from the lookout, as far as I know Bernhardt can't sense anything with his powers. Sensing monster energy probably isn't accurate enough to give anything more than a general direction and distance and even then we don't know how far it reaches. It also couldn't tell if any human were nearby to avoid collateral.
As a reminder there were S+ monsters on Earth and nobody knew where they were. If Indra suddenly appearing at MCs house or Apostles appearing to ascend people didn't trigger an immediate response from Malik or Bernhardt back way before the invasion happened then why would they now be able to tell when/where a B or even S rank monster appear?
The only option left for a "Bernhardt solves everything" scenario would be a constant worldwide patrol for months now. Even then he would miss any monster appearing right after he leaves any area unless his patrol is so fast he can loop back around in seconds. This does not sound like a strategy Bernhardt would ever agree to. Maybe Malik, but not Bernhardt.
Someone did say he tried to move the moon, but it just went right back whenever he stopped actively moving it. Presumably he is in the Other World looking for information on the eclipse or waiting in the basement for something so apocalyptic to happen he is forced to get involved despite the risks that would entail.