VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[BenoTF25]

I doubt that speed of movement was the/a problem. We see in the presentation for the prime minister how bernhard very quickly moves from the hq to whereever the monster appeared which was supposed to be far away

but we were rarely shown the scope/frequency of monster attacks, we kinda only see parts of our little (peaceful?) sector. It still sounds weird (plotholey) how Hero is THIS pressured while having more or less all powerful and uber fast people like bernhart, malik, clark, nico and so on. There have to be looooots of monsters spawning every moment everywhere.

But imo Bernhardt was just talking about the human sacrifices (and not really concerned) to talk a lesson into elias or get him more determined or "whatever it costs'ly" and he was disappointed in their weakness.

Yeah, I get what you mean, Nyx for one can just like, one-shot pretty much anything below Chosen level, nonetheless I think a lot of of issues boil down to HERO wanting to keep damage at minimum like already mentioned here right before me. Deus was sent to deal with Hex during BoD because he was a good match against him, I use that as an example of how the Captains can't just be sent to overpower everything, even if realistically they can, there are variables, and even if not, you can't just have a Level 5 completely fucking over a large chunk of the Planet on a Permanent way.

 

[kazuan]

To reiterate: There are (according to the wiki) 12 level 5 superhumans in HERO. Zack and Malik are MIA, Alexis is captured by Aglaecwif and Henri is too unstable to really help.
That leaves 8 level 5s to cover the entire world and even then fully eradicating the monsters aren't a possibility since this is an ongoing invasion. Without Zack they likely don't have enough forewarning about the attacks and are left mostly reacting to an enemy that likely has prescient monsters to coordinate and plan around HERO.
Combine that with the high likelihood that there probably aren't any level 4s and even level 3s are probably rather rare in HERO, so any A-rank or higher monsters that show up must be dealt with by the level 5s.
Bernhardt is extremely powerful but even he can't be everywhere all the time, the rest of the level 5s are out running missions near constantly and even then I believe Stephen said some sectors had been basically abandoned because HERO lacks manpower. Even with Lucius they can't be everywhere.

It certainly doesn't help that the monsters seem to be able to identify and target communication infrastructure. You can't kill something you don't know exist after all.

can't just have a Level 5 completely fucking over a large chunk of the Planet on a Permanent way.

Bernhardt beat Eisheth without doing any real damage and even whisked away her hostages presumably without hurting them. If they have to resort to that kind of firepower it is likely the monster they are facing would to far far worse if they tried to hold back. We have only really seen them do/try anything hugely damaging against Ella or Origin-MC I believe.

 

[KKStrider]

To reiterate: There are (according to the wiki) 12 level 5 superhumans in HERO. Zack and Malik are MIA, Alexis is captured by Aglaecwif and Henri is too unstable to really help.
That leaves 8 level 5s to cover the entire world and even then fully eradicating the monsters aren't a possibility since this is an ongoing invasion. Without Zack they likely don't have enough forewarning about the attacks and are left mostly reacting to an enemy that likely has prescient monsters to coordinate and plan around HERO.
Combine that with the high likelihood that there probably aren't any level 4s and even level 3s are probably rather rare in HERO, so any A-rank or higher monsters that show up must be dealt with by the level 5s.
Bernhardt is extremely powerful but even he can't be everywhere all the time, the rest of the level 5s are out running missions near constantly and even then I believe Stephen said some sectors had been basically abandoned because HERO lacks manpower. Even with Lucius they can't be everywhere.

It certainly doesn't help that the monsters seem to be able to identify and target communication infrastructure. You can't kill something you don't know exist after all.


Bernhardt beat Eisheth without doing any real damage and even whisked away her hostages presumably without hurting them. If they have to resort to that kind of firepower it is likely the monster they are facing would to far far worse if they tried to hold back. We have only really seen them do/try anything hugely damaging against Ella or Origin-MC I believe.

Another factor to consider is that Halona's the most versatile precognitive that H.E.R.O. has. Halona's spirits can give information on present or future events even if they don't involve her. Deus and Zack, however, have the restriction that they can only foretell events that involve them. Even then, one of them gets incapacitated by nightmares and the other's M.I.A.

While we still don't know all the strengths and limits of their powers, I also speculate that all technology being on the fritz would actually severely nerf Deus and Zack's ability to predict attacks. I imagine events having to be "related to [them]" would encompass being informed of an attack by a H.E.R.O. agent in the field or media panic with an estimate on when said event started rather than having to be at the epicentre of the event. For example, maybe future Zack got an after action report of the S.I.N. infiltration if the future MC screws up, then his present self reports that information to the present MC. Therefore if no one can call in an attack due to all tech being screwed, their future selves either don't ever find out or they do find out later but agent casualties or other factors mean they can only relay fractured information to the present.

 

[X Deimos]

man...when is the updateeeee????

 

[John3829]

Just a a few more days, our patience will be rewarded

 

[eroul211]

A FEEEEW????

 

[Elduriel]

Who's the stongest: Superman, Goku or Bernhardt?

now that would be an interesting powerscale discussion. Also which version of Supes and Goku, coz there is lots of them and they wildly vary in scale. Even then it's a highly debated topic which one would take it. But I somewhat doubt Bernhardt would beat those two considering some of their feats.

 

[Er Pisha Jimeno]

So...uhh...you guys come here often?

 

[dragonlord6789]

Assuming that none of them are so physically superior that the other can't react at all to their attacks, or their defenses are so high that they deal only 1 point of damage to their hp, or their regeneration is so high that they recover more than the damage they take, wouldn't Bernhardt have the advantage?

I know superman and Goku have ranged attacks, but don't they generally prefer fighting at close range, with Goku only using ranged attacks for a finisher or a distraction? Goku does have his teleportation, but I have never seen punch hard enough to break a planet, and considering Bernhardt's defense against Eisthet's attacks he would need to hit that hard to get through his protection. While Superman has no trick to close the difference, but astounding defense, and great recovery. However, from what we have seen, Bernhardt seems to prefer to fight exclusively at range, assuming Bernhardt's attacks can pierce their defenses, won't he generally have the advantage, considering his defenses, speed, and attack range? Also, isn't Bernhardt more bloodthirsty and prone to murder than the other two? Doesn't that give him an edge?

 

[The Specter]

I like Bernhardt but his asshole is getting obliterated by superman, those comic feats are ridiculous. Might win against goku as long as it's his dbz version. Maybe, i dunno.

 

[OmegaAlpga]

Bernhardt is extremely powerful but even he can't be everywhere all the time

Are you sure about that? He has the entire atmosphere at his fingertips. Air is omnipresent across the entire surface of the Earth. I would really think he could perform the infamous Evil Buu attack (you know, the one that killed every human on Earth), targeting every monster on the planet, unless of course I’m misunderstanding his power.

Then again, it would probably be indiscriminate killing of humans, superhumans, and everything else if he doesn’t have finer control. On the other hand, he should probably be able to feel differences in the air based on the size, speed, and whatnot of a monster.

 

[Ashley young]

Who's the stongest: Superman, Goku or Bernhardt?

There must be Doomsday's popping every day everywhere for Bernhardt and the other lvl 5 heroes not to be able to eradicate them definitely. Or they have evolved so much above human level that they don't care about them dying to low level monsters

Superman's peak feats are many tiers above Bernhardt's. Bernhardt at his best can probably push the entire planet's atmosphere on Supes, and Superman will still not be bothered. Superman's feats include bench pressing planets and much more, it quite frankly isnt a contest.

Goku again is way too powerful to be even bothered by literally any superhuman (except Deus or any other time manipulator I guess). With his blue transformation he had the power to destroy universes. Bernhardt wins is if he fights against an SSJ1 Goku (he could potentially take on SSJ2 but idk about that). SSJ3 and above bitchslap Bernie.

 

[obibobi]

I think asking why the level 5's are so busy when they can potentially move around the world and end a threat in seconds is just one of those things you shouldn't think too much about. Just accept that it needs to be that way, same as why Superman or the Flash, or other superspeed heroes aren't constantly showing up in other stories for a fraction of a second to end the threat and then speed off.

 

[Dmoll]

Superman's peak feats are many tiers above Bernhardt's. Bernhardt at his best can probably push the entire planet's atmosphere on Supes, and Superman will still not be bothered. Superman's feats include bench pressing planets and much more, it quite frankly isnt a contest.

Goku again is way too powerful to be even bothered by literally any superhuman (except Deus or any other time manipulator I guess). With his blue transformation he had the power to destroy universes. Bernhardt wins is if he fights against an SSJ1 Goku (he could potentially take on SSJ2 but idk about that). SSJ3 and above bitchslap Bernie.

burnigold's max power is still not confirmed. His best isnt "pushing an entire planets atmosphere onto Supes", its planck pressure, look it up if you dont know, and that isnt even his limit probably since he's so chill about every god like existential threat thrown at him, even arbiter MC who 'Consumed' an entire dimension worth of monsters or something and easily defeated Hex who can create dimensions who knows how many 1000s of AUs big. Plus supermans weird advantage is that there are so many iterations and versions of him ever since he was created 80 years ago, and every writer was given the leeway to do anything they want with the character, meaning some iterations got absolutely laughably stupid powers and alota dudes just jumble all the iterations and feats together and create this superman that is basically a omnipotent god who can do anything, that is what Screw attack tried doing in death battle. Benedict Cumburbatch and Kakarot dont get this unfair advantage.

 

[Zolrazz]

I think asking why the level 5's are so busy when they can potentially move around the world and end a threat in seconds is just one of those things you shouldn't think too much about. Just accept that it needs to be that way, same as why Superman or the Flash, or other superspeed heroes aren't constantly showing up in other stories for a fraction of a second to end the threat and then speed off.

Indeed, I don't think there's a good excuse for that. Of course, Weird could say that by doing so, they would end up causing destruction and killing many more people than they would save. For the big three, the world must be like a spider's web: one pull and they destroy everything

 

[Dmoll]

I think asking why the level 5's are so busy when they can potentially move around the world and end a threat in seconds is just one of those things you shouldn't think too much about. Just accept that it needs to be that way, same as why Superman or the Flash, or other superspeed heroes aren't constantly showing up in other stories for a fraction of a second to end the threat and then speed off.

Let Weird male cook maybe this would get a proper explaination and we wont even have to ask this question once more lore comes out.

 

[TheShelly]

Indeed, I don't think there's a good excuse for that. Of course, Weird could say that by doing so, they would end up causing destruction and killing many more people than they would save. For the big three, the world must be like a spider's web: one pull and they destroy everything

Well, the big three casually approaching Hex's dimension was enough cause an earthquake and during their approach Henri directly states that the range of his power already spread to other sectors. Cracking the lid on his powers to move and pull off a single act of reality manipulation already meant he could affect the surface area of a country. Bernie and the other big boys must be using 0.0001% of their power at all times.

 

[obibobi]

Let Weird male cook maybe this would get a proper explaination and we wont even have to ask this question once more lore comes out.

My point is you're making it harder for them by focusing on something that isn't really that important, does it really matter? Do minor background details need to make perfect sense?

 

[shendesu]

is this story finished?

 

[dragonlord6789]

When it comes to the level 5s, I think Clark mentioned it once after the battle of diamonds, when he recruited the mc to help kill a monster in the sewers, about how the fight was breeze, but the travel was a pain. I think aside from the big 3, the other lvl 5s aren't fast enough to respond to an attack in another sector before damage occurs, so they have to rely on the future predictions, and wait for the monster to appear, or play hide and seek with it until they find, it which eats up their time.

Also, remember what Stephen said that it's not a few thousand but a few handfuls that are protecting the planet, if every monster attack in every sector has more than one A rank, that implies that they are deploying the lieutenants, and captains, in addition to the clone units, to every attack, and without Nico constantly acting as a taxi for the others, they will always be slower than the teleported monsters leading to casualties.

In conclusion, I think the reason the level 5s are kept busy isn't because it's difficult for them to kill the monsters, but because they are always playing catch up on a planetary scale. I mean imagine if you are playing a game of whack a mole, with an unknown time limit, and every time you fail to kill the mole the first time it appears, you lose points (which in this case is lives or portions of the planet), wouldn't that drive you crazy? When you don't the time limit won't it feel like a game you are already losing?