VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[Ray_D]

where is Liz?

Sleeping on the balcony.

 

[RudeFist]

It feels like the game needs another 6 updates before he finishes the story. There are way too many plot threads that haven't been taken care of and battles that need to be fought.

For example, the Alice battle was an entire update. We need an alice and michael fighting in the sky and then them coming back to earth update, MC fighting something to get to level 4 update, liz and amber also evolving or doing something update, sin update to fight cole and shen, roaming s class monsters will also need an update for themselves (could be the level 4 update), and then after them the intelligent s class also need an upate for their battles and to take care of those plot threads. Emily turning into a superhuman update, MC turning Cole into a femboy and getting that bussy update, the whole apostles drama will also need an update dedicated to them. Also Ella will also need an update for her shit. You've also got the entire HERO org with Tanos and Xanthe story threads that will need an update. And a bunch of other things

Don't forget the "what the fuck is that statue the shopkeep won't let you buy" update.

 

[gotmy223]

It feels like the game needs another 6 updates before he finishes the story. There are way too many plot threads that haven't been taken care of and battles that need to be fought.

For example, the Alice battle was an entire update. We need an alice and michael fighting in the sky and then them coming back to earth update, MC fighting something to get to level 4 update, liz and amber also evolving or doing something update, sin update to fight cole and shen, roaming s class monsters will also need an update for themselves (could be the level 4 update), and then after them the intelligent s class also need an upate for their battles and to take care of those plot threads. Emily turning into a superhuman update, MC turning Cole into a femboy and getting that bussy update, the whole apostles drama will also need an update dedicated to them. Also Ella will also need an update for her shit. You've also got the entire HERO org with Tanos and Xanthe story threads that will need an update. And a bunch of other things

Don't worry, numbers are infinite. There are more than enough 9s to finish this story.

 

[kazuan]

Let’s try it like this. In the fight at the hexenring or after that moment, which parts of Ella’s “transform between steps” montage has the MC showcased?

I’d rather that the purpose of her training was for him to figure out a way to incorporate aspects of monsters into the animal forms that he’s able to make.

As far as I understand it the point of the training wasn't for the MC to constantly shift his form during a fight, but rather to help him focus on his purpose built forms and make his transformation between them much faster and efficient. This wasn't training to establish a new move like the Mantis Punch but a refinement of core fundamentals. It's difficult to show the effect this training had since fight scenes are done via still images and text.

As for incorporating monster aspects, I have a faint memory Doll Ella mentioned that during that arc. Specifically that it isn't really a good idea because a lot of what makes monster anatomy powerful and "useful" is either because of their monster energy boosting them physically or more structural/biomechanically efficient like the organs MC has incorporated. In the case of structure I believe the monster part need to be compatible with MCs physiology to be useful.
Apart from using stronger material to reinforce his already established forms, there isn't much to gain from incorporating monster forms.

I don't remember if there really has been any new major changes in MCs arsenal on the level of the Mantis Punch to really warrant a training montage, just improvements and relatively minor alterations of previously established moves.

 

[Hazardgaming]

Oh I absolutely agree that it’s difficult to show the effects of the “fast” transformation training due to this being a game involving static renders. Which is why I think the montage was largely wasted/pointless.

The same outcome could have just happened due to them spending a year fighting in the monster world.

I had kind of assumed that the MC’s black rhino form was a result of him imitating/incorporating monster aspects and adjusting the forms he copied so long ago. Which could have been a far more interesting montage with the eventual payoff of it being shown.

 

[Davner]

Does this update have any new story?

 

[Jonathan Y]

By this point, I'm very sure that WeirdWorld isn't gonna finish all the potential plot points, "SH 2" has been a concept for a long while after all, so there is that. With Malik and Bernhardt out there, the Apostles yet to Manifest and MC being still a level 3, I think 1.0 is gonna end with the story not having a conclusion, maybe even with a grim ending in which the Apostles fuck over earth or something like that. In the Brothel DeadEnd, either Malik or Bernie destroy the "Main" Monster World and that kickstart a War of Universal Scale, I simply don't think we are seeing that, even less since MC is still far behind to hang out with the Big Boys and Girls, he couldn't even see Nyx moving, there's no way he could be of any meaningful assistance for Henri/Malik against a Deity or Apostle, even killing Indra is thing of Dreams rn.

What if WW makes it so that when the Mc next evolves the Eye "fuses" with him in a way that would not result in a dead end and his personality being fully erased ? I mean the Eye's influence has grown so much that it can sense things and whisper them to the Mc. Like it did in this update when talking to Deus and Bernhardt.

Personaly, I believe the last time the Eye reincarnated and got promply smacked by Bernhardt, he could have been strong enough to challenge a Chosen, and mostly everyone other than the captains. Given it destroyed Hex's dimension, and even Bernhardt noted how powerful it was.

So if WW writes the next evo in a way that the Eye grants the Mc another powerboost ( biggest one yet ) and this time without erasing his personality but rather forming even more of a symbiotic relation ( well, more than they already have anyway ), I can see him plausibly being able to defeat level 5s, Chosen, or S class monsters, maybe Indra included.

Hey I know it may seem like a stretch, but let's be real here, it took this long to get to almost level 4, thinking of how much longer it would take to reach level 5 is depressing. The Eye hacks is I think how WW will speed up the Mc's standing in the world hierarchy.

 

[BenoTF25]

What if WW makes it so that when the Mc next evolves the Eye "fuses" with him in a way that would not result in a dead end and his personality being fully erased ? I mean the Eye's influence has grown so much that it can sense things and whisper them to the Mc. Like it did in this update when talking to Deus and Bernhardt.

Personaly, I believe the last time the Eye reincarnated and got promply smacked by Bernhardt, he could have been strong enough to challenge a Chosen, and mostly everyone other than the captains. Given it destroyed Hex's dimension, and even Bernhardt noted how powerful it was.

So if WW writes the next evo in a way that the Eye grants the Mc another powerboost ( biggest one yet ) and this time without erasing his personality but rather forming even more of a symbiotic relation ( well, more than they already have anyway ), I can see him plausibly being able to defeat level 5s, Chosen, or S class monsters, maybe Indra included.

Hey I know it may seem like a stretch, but let's be real here, it took this long to get to almost level 4, thinking of how much longer it would take to reach level 5 is depressing. The Eye hacks is I think how WW will speed up the Mc's standing in the world hierarchy.

That's actually a genuine good route to take, would be a bit risky though, in the meta sense, as MC would jump quite wildly in Power, like, Malik, Bern and Henri were stronger than Elijah/Kira(Final Evo) while being on their fourth, this hypothetical Fourth Evo EyeMC would be even more yolked than the trio in that same level, still, WeirdWorld might be able to pull it off, plus, it would tie with what the Eye has been telling MC on this last updates, a week, a week, finally here, plus with Goliath and the other three S-Class, even more with Malik squaring up against an Outer Space Goddess out there, a Power up so great might be more of a necessity than anything, maybe.

About your mention of the EyeMC that Bernie killed, yeah, that EyeMC was leagues above Eisheth, Bernhardt says as much, probably not as strong as a 'Normal' Deity(Apostles are listed as Gods rather than Greater Monsters), since it chose to flee Earth, while the Wasting Mother is actively fighting Malik, but definitely far above Monsters, another thing that could work, is a fusion that does amp MC a ton, but without reaching the level of EyeMC off the bat in exchange to maintain his self, in that case stakes could still exist, with MC taking a front seat and having a sure path for the big leagues that wouldn't take decades.

 

[AlexKaiser2626]

What if WW makes it so that when the Mc next evolves the Eye "fuses" with him in a way that would not result in a dead end and his personality being fully erased ? I mean the Eye's influence has grown so much that it can sense things and whisper them to the Mc. Like it did in this update when talking to Deus and Bernhardt.

Personaly, I believe the last time the Eye reincarnated and got promply smacked by Bernhardt, he could have been strong enough to challenge a Chosen, and mostly everyone other than the captains. Given it destroyed Hex's dimension, and even Bernhardt noted how powerful it was.

So if WW writes the next evo in a way that the Eye grants the Mc another powerboost ( biggest one yet ) and this time without erasing his personality but rather forming even more of a symbiotic relation ( well, more than they already have anyway ), I can see him plausibly being able to defeat level 5s, Chosen, or S class monsters, maybe Indra included.

Hey I know it may seem like a stretch, but let's be real here, it took this long to get to almost level 4, thinking of how much longer it would take to reach level 5 is depressing. The Eye hacks is I think how WW will speed up the Mc's standing in the world hierarchy.

I believe it’s the opposite: instead of the Eye gaining more control, it feels more like a fusion. In the first fusion, the Eye says “Thank you for the sacrifice,” and we know that with 20 corruption, the MC fuses with the Eye — and a part of him remains there. Later, in its second appearance, the Eye says goodbye to the MC, but even with 500 power, we’re still there. Every time the Eye appears, it says goodbye to the MC, but a part of us always remains within it. Even the MC’s memories start to return little by little, which suggests we’re getting closer to a true fusion, not just being possessed. The first time was a corruption check, the second a power check. Maybe the third appearance of the Eye will be a skill check. I always found it curious that the Eye says goodbye to us, yet a part of us always stays with it.

 

[Jonathan Y]

I believe it’s the opposite: instead of the Eye gaining more control, it feels more like a fusion. In the first fusion, the Eye says “Thank you for the sacrifice,” and we know that with 20 corruption, the MC fuses with the Eye — and a part of him remains there. Later, in its second appearance, the Eye says goodbye to the MC, but even with 500 power, we’re still there. Every time the Eye appears, it says goodbye to the MC, but a part of us always remains within it. Even the MC’s memories start to return little by little, which suggests we’re getting closer to a true fusion, not just being possessed. The first time was a corruption check, the second a power check. Maybe the third appearance of the Eye will be a skill check. I always found it curious that the Eye says goodbye to us, yet a part of us always stays with it.

That's not "the opposite" of what I said in the slightest, but the exact same thing I said....... so thanks for...... regurgitating it back to me I guess ?

 

[AlexKaiser2626]

Yes....that's not "the opposite" of what I said, but the exact same..... I literaly said that, in no unclear term too.......

Personally, I don’t see it as a symbiotic relationship. After all, it will be a fusion, and a new being will be born. What matters is that a lot of the MC remains. From what we’ve seen of the Eye, its goal is to be complete and to reach the top. Our MC wants to push his powers as far as possible, and I believe their goals are similar — if not identical. As I said, each time it seems the Eye has more of the MC. In my opinion, that’s our path to the top: a complete fusion, but with greater awareness from the MC. I don’t see why the Eye would reject that if it also fulfills its goal. The issue is that we don’t know the Eye’s true objective, only that it’s missing two things, which might be the twin apostles needed to be complete. Of course, this is just my theory. Sorry if it’s hard to understand — English is not my first language.

 

[Jonathan Y]

Personally, I don’t see it as a symbiotic relationship. After all, it will be a fusion, and a new being will be born. What matters is that a lot of the MC remains. From what we’ve seen of the Eye, its goal is to be complete and to reach the top. Our MC wants to push his powers as far as possible, and I believe their goals are similar — if not identical. As I said, each time it seems the Eye has more of the MC. In my opinion, that’s our path to the top: a complete fusion, but with greater awareness from the MC. I don’t see why the Eye would reject that if it also fulfills its goal. The issue is that we don’t know the Eye’s true objective, only that it’s missing two things, which might be the twin apostles needed to be complete. Of course, this is just my theory. Sorry if it’s hard to understand — English is not my first language.

Ok but a "complete fusion with greater awareness from the Mc" seems to me like it falls under a symbiotic relationship.

Also I personaly don't think WW would let the Mc and the Eye "be born as a new entity" other than for maybe a specific ending, because it would probably erase too much of the Mc we have come to know over the entire game. So to me a symbiosis seems more likely, but hey we'll see.

 

[Ploot Ploot]

Hello everyone! It's that time again! Your favorite goober cat god has come to deliver the goods, version 0.99999b of the walkthrough! There are way too many numbers...I'm tired boss...please save my 9 button...Please enjoy and blow up my dms if there's any problems <3 LOVE YOU ALL MWAH MWAH

(Edit: fixed one of the tiffany event choices, had points on the wrong choice)

 

[AlexKaiser2626]

Ok but a "complete fusion with greater awareness from the Mc" seems to me like it falls under a symbiotic relationship.

Also I personaly don't think WW would let the Mc and the Eye "be born as a new entity" other than for maybe a specific ending, because it would probably erase too much of the Mc we have come to know over the entire game. So to me a symbiosis seems more likely, but hey we'll see.

I understand, but I believe that a new entity fits better with the Lovecraftian context present in WW, rather than a symbiotic relationship. In several parts, their union is described as a fusion, like merging their souls and memories, and things like that. There’s no scene where their case is referred to as a symbiotic relationship. That’s why I think what’s happening is the birth of a new being, not a coexistence between two.

 

[Zekethor2]

You guys talking about the eye made me remember the death where we're consumed by the avatar of the 7th. So, when that happened, did he simply kill us? Or did he also consume the 'eye' itself, gaining that power or connection for himself? I guess we’ll be able to speculate more in the next update, since there's only '1 day left'.

Another thing I forgot to mention is Lochan. For him, interacting with the future feels so natural that he seems to understand the MC's situation perfectly. I love this guy, man.

 

[Ray_D]

What if WW makes it so that when the Mc next evolves the Eye "fuses" with him in a way that would not result in a dead end and his personality being fully erased ? I mean the Eye's influence has grown so much that it can sense things and whisper them to the Mc. Like it did in this update when talking to Deus and Bernhardt.

Personaly, I believe the last time the Eye reincarnated and got promply smacked by Bernhardt, he could have been strong enough to challenge a Chosen, and mostly everyone other than the captains. Given it destroyed Hex's dimension, and even Bernhardt noted how powerful it was.

So if WW writes the next evo in a way that the Eye grants the Mc another powerboost ( biggest one yet ) and this time without erasing his personality but rather forming even more of a symbiotic relation ( well, more than they already have anyway ), I can see him plausibly being able to defeat level 5s, Chosen, or S class monsters, maybe Indra included.

Hey I know it may seem like a stretch, but let's be real here, it took this long to get to almost level 4, thinking of how much longer it would take to reach level 5 is depressing. The Eye hacks is I think how WW will speed up the Mc's standing in the world hierarchy.

A symbiotic relationship would be the best option for the eyes. Especially if he doesn't want his vessel to be killed.

 

[kazuan]

Killed most likely, it seems only those of the 3rd and 4th really "consume" others to gain things other than simple power.

Oh I absolutely agree that it’s difficult to show the effects of the “fast” transformation training due to this being a game involving static renders. Which is why I think the montage was largely wasted/pointless.

The same outcome could have just happened due to them spending a year fighting in the monster world.

I had kind of assumed that the MC’s black rhino form was a result of him imitating/incorporating monster aspects and adjusting the forms he copied so long ago. Which could have been a far more interesting montage with the eventual payoff of it being shown.

I can only guess but I assume the "updated" forms MC has are basically just denser muscles and stronger material, both things he could have easily done in a single day. Maybe WW didn't do "proper" training scenes anymore due to the game entering it's End Phase, or maybe he just want to save it for Big New Moves.
Thinking about it we did get some training scenes with the liquid form that turned out very useful against Jake, though that might be stretching it a bit.

Does this update have any new story?

Every version with a new number is a proper update, letters are bugfixes, so yes.

Sorry if it’s hard to understand — English is not my first language.

Fusion generally imply two or more disparate things melding into a single thing, which would imply that both The Eye and MC cease to exist to create a single New Entity so there would be no more MC to be aware of anything. With a symbiosis it would be possible for both The Eye and MC to remain in a conscious or subconscious manner.
I believe you and JonathanY are basically saying the same thing but are disagreeing due to the language barrier.

Also I personaly don't think WW would let the Mc and the Eye "be born as a new entity" other than for maybe a specific ending, because it would probably erase too much of the Mc we have come to know over the entire game. So to me a symbiosis seems more likely, but hey we'll see.

If The Eye is telling the truth in that it and MC are both the same being then it seems more likely to be a case of split personality with one more dominant/powerful personality being "in charge". Maybe the "Ideal End" would be the personalities harmonizing and becoming identical so that a fusion or symbiosis would be redundant. This would let the MC "be in control" while still achieving whatever The Eye is trying to achieve.

 

[as22]

Gtdead Can you update your guide to include the monster world parts?
I understand you were waiting for 1.0, but since the monster world arc has been fully completed now, I think it would be a good time to do an update.
Also is it possible to choose the last +10 C 3+ skill point choice during the cole fight without getting the previous "nothing" choice corruption points?

 

[Jonathan Y]

Killed most likely, it seems only those of the 3rd and 4th really "consume" others to gain things other than simple power.


I can only guess but I assume the "updated" forms MC has are basically just denser muscles and stronger material, both things he could have easily done in a single day. Maybe WW didn't do "proper" training scenes anymore due to the game entering it's End Phase, or maybe he just want to save it for Big New Moves.
Thinking about it we did get some training scenes with the liquid form that turned out very useful against Jake, though that might be stretching it a bit.


Every version with a new number is a proper update, letters are bugfixes, so yes.


Fusion generally imply two or more disparate things melding into a single thing, which would imply that both The Eye and MC cease to exist to create a single New Entity so there would be no more MC to be aware of anything. With a symbiosis it would be possible for both The Eye and MC to remain in a conscious or subconscious manner.
I believe you and JonathanY are basically saying the same thing but are disagreeing due to the language barrier.


If The Eye is telling the truth in that it and MC are both the same being then it seems more likely to be a case of split personality with one more dominant/powerful personality being "in charge". Maybe the "Ideal End" would be the personalities harmonizing and becoming identical so that a fusion or symbiosis would be redundant. This would let the MC "be in control" while still achieving whatever The Eye is trying to achieve.

Yeah I was also thinking such a fusion would likely be only presented way later down the line as one possible ending.
But for now at the 4th evolution my moneys on the symbiosis theory.

I know the Eye claimed they are one, but to fuse them as one literaly, it feels to me like WW would have to alter in some ways the Mc personality for such a change to feel impactful to the reader, and, well that kind of thing might feel odd to do this "early". So yeah I can only see that outcome as a ending rather than something that will happen next as the other person implied.

 

[Jonathan Y]

A symbiotic relationship would be the best option for the eyes. Especially if he doesn't want his vessel to be killed.

I mean he was strong enough in both bad ends to achieve his goals on his own, in both, even the first way early it seemed to know what he was after and catch on fairly quickly, and strong enough.

The Eye just had the worst luck imaginable.
You know it's kinda comedic if you think about it. You have a being that is ancient, that prolly had to lay dormant for thousands and thousands of years for a suitable vessel to be born and ascend to a superhuman, and TWICE once it could finaly be reborn it had the misfortune of spawning near the only few individuals that could actualy kill it immediately.

It's downright hilarious the bad luck the Eye had