VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[jjtom000]

you are presenting this as if it was some third option. it's not. it's just the view (2) that i described, phrased differently.
i have nothing against saying that the laws of physics don't apply to Bernhardt. like i said, this is the view i hold.
but if we are saying that they do not apply, then they do not apply, and we can't use them to wank Bernhardt's destructive potential to be infinite because of 'pressure of the universe' or whatever. all i'm saying is we have to be consistent

No you and the other person are not saying the same thing. You are using false dichotomy to argue the physics either applies or not applies to SH while the other persons was saying that the power system is much more nuanced in the game, which is true.

It's consistent in the game that the SHs can enjoy the strength that comes from physics while to a large degree ignore the unwanted effects that will come with it. Hence why it's stated that high level SH are not limited by physics.

 

[Hiro_K]

Can you make that scene with Aos and that cloud monster? Where he makes a big explosion, the monster escapes and he goes after.

If you screenshots it and send it to me i can try

 

[thedestroyeroffemboyass]

The definition of plot constraints.

i hope we get a dead end where we just become so powerful not even the eye can stop us or the apostles and something above the apostles has to step in to stop us.

 

[braideddavidbrady]

No you and the other person are not saying the same thing. You are using false dichotomy to argue the physics either applies or not applies to SH while the other persons was saying that the power system is much more nuanced in the game, which is true.

It's consistent in the game that the SHs can enjoy the strength that comes from physics while to a large degree ignore the unwanted effects that will come with it. Hence why it's stated that high level SH are not limited by physics.

it is not a false dichotomy, it is just a binary decision. you either include physics into your reasoning -- or you don't.
WW, and many other authors, rely on common understanding of scientific concepts to help the reader imagine how something would behave. Or they can utilize them within the bounds of dramatic license, for hyperbole, for example. these things appearing in the text doesn't mean that whatever fiction they support is meaningfully integrated into our scientific understanding of the world, or that we can build on the latter to make conclusions about that fiction. it can be, but it's not in Superhuman. SH is not sci-fi, it just doesn't engage with its concepts like that, giving dramatic consistency much more importance instead

that doesn't make it not nuanced or flawed, but there is a difference. what SH does is equivalent to describing a bright light as 'burning with the strength of a thousand suns'. i understand what that means to convey and have no issue with that. what I have issue with is someone then coming in and saying 'a thousand suns, huh? well, i did the math and this character can output 150 million C! you can't argue with that, it's literally in the source, "a thousand suns", see?'
or another example is some character controlling water. it's fine to reason about how much destruction they could cause with the amount of water they can control, it is not fine to go: 'well, this character can control anything with hydrogen bonds or maybe matter itself! after all, there's nothing special about water that would make only it, specifically, controllable.'

 

[kazuan]

it is not a false dichotomy, it is just a binary decision. you either include physics into your reasoning -- or you don't.
WW, and many other authors, rely on common understanding of scientific concepts to help the reader imagine how something would behave. Or they can utilize them within the bounds of dramatic license, for hyperbole, for example. these things appearing in the text doesn't mean that whatever fiction they support is meaningfully integrated into our scientific understanding of the world, or that we can build on the latter to make conclusions about that fiction. it can be, but it's not in Superhuman. SH is not sci-fi, it just doesn't engage with its concepts like that, giving dramatic consistency much more importance instead

that doesn't make it not nuanced or flawed, but there is a difference. what SH does is equivalent to describing a bright light as 'burning with the strength of a thousand suns'. i understand what that means to convey and have no issue with that. what I have issue with is someone then coming in and saying 'a thousand suns, huh? well, i did the math and this character can output 150 million C! you can't argue with that, it's literally in the source, "a thousand suns", see?'
or another example is some character controlling water. it's fine to reason about how much destruction they could cause with the amount of water they can control, it is not fine to go: 'well, this character can control anything with hydrogen bonds or maybe matter itself! after all, there's nothing special about water that would make only it, specifically, controllable.'

Does WW use a lot of hyperbole? From what I understand he tries be at least somewhat accurate when he describes things, to the point that he will go back and change/retcon text to be more accurate. If he describes a light as "burning with the strength of a thousand suns" my assumption is that he means that literally, though that is an extremely big range of potential strength.

If we dismiss descriptive text as being hyperbole then the only real evidence we have left are the images, which are much rarer, vague and harder to judge, but then we also have to consider if they too are being altered to be cooler or more impactful and now we can't trust or judge anything anymore.

I think the most WW could potentially be said to use hyperbole is in regards to level 4/5 superhumans, but at that point they are explicitly doing things that should not be possible based on the laws of physics so unless that statement too is hyperbole then why shouldn't we trust that WW is being accurate when he describes what they do?
This feels like a circular fallacy that just results in nothing being trustworthy anymore. That just sounds boring. Or I'm being dumb because I'm tired and misinterpret what you are trying to say. Hopefully the latter.

 

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[thedestroyeroffemboyass]

Does WW use a lot of hyperbole? From what I understand he tries be at least somewhat accurate when he describes things, to the point that he will go back and change/retcon text to be more accurate. If he describes a light as "burning with the strength of a thousand suns" my assumption is that he means that literally, though that is an extremely big range of potential strength.

If we dismiss descriptive text as being hyperbole then the only real evidence we have left are the images, which are much rarer, vague and harder to judge, but then we also have to consider if they too are being altered to be cooler or more impactful and now we can't trust or judge anything anymore.

I think the most WW could potentially be said to use hyperbole is in regards to level 4/5 superhumans, but at that point they are explicitly doing things that should not be possible based on the laws of physics so unless that statement too is hyperbole then why shouldn't we trust that WW is being accurate when he describes what they do?
This feels like a circular fallacy that just results in nothing being trustworthy anymore. That just sounds boring. Or I'm being dumb because I'm tired and misinterpret what you are trying to say. Hopefully the latter.

heck we could even say its a thousand of the sun known as UY Scuti if we really wanna go far with the power plus its near 1700 times the size of our sun so imagine an attack with the power of 1000 of those combined.

 

[braideddavidbrady]

Does WW use a lot of hyperbole? From what I understand he tries be at least somewhat accurate when he describes things, to the point that he will go back and change/retcon text to be more accurate. If he describes a light as "burning with the strength of a thousand suns" my assumption is that he means that literally, though that is an extremely big range of potential strength.

If we dismiss descriptive text as being hyperbole then the only real evidence we have left are the images, which are much rarer, vague and harder to judge, but then we also have to consider if they too are being altered to be cooler or more impactful and now we can't trust or judge anything anymore.

I think the most WW could potentially be said to use hyperbole is in regards to level 4/5 superhumans, but at that point they are explicitly doing things that should not be possible based on the laws of physics so unless that statement too is hyperbole then why shouldn't we trust that WW is being accurate when he describes what they do?
This feels like a circular fallacy that just results in nothing being trustworthy anymore. That just sounds boring. Or I'm being dumb because I'm tired and misinterpret what you are trying to say. Hopefully the latter.

maybe hyperbole was the wrong way to put this, or at least not a complete one, you're right. but I think my examples themselves illustrate pretty well what I'm going for. it's one thing to rely on scientific concepts to the extent to which they are a part of the common discourse (i.e. we all know that Sun is a star, and it is very big, and very hot), and be descriptive within that. it's another thing to take all of that at face value scientifically and follow everything described to its mathematical conclusions. i don't doubt that WW thinks hard about how he describes the powers and their effects. but i am certain he doesn't sit there with a stack of university level physics texbooks analyzing all the endpoint implications of the powers he introduces. i'm not trying to diminish the story, just discredit all the standard anime characters fight scaling BS that is so common when it comes to this sort of discussions

in other words, the basis of these descriptions is our layman intuitions about the concepts, not the actual concepts themselves. we all intuitively understand that Sun is hot. at the same time, our intuitions fail spectacularly to convey just how hot.

 

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Oh yeah that's hot. Maybe shes one of the off-spring of Eisheth ( forgot their names ) ? Since she has that succubus vibe.

Or maybe WW wanted to troll us and hes gonna reveal that The Black Mouth was actualy a hot succubus monster babe all along

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Since WW said the important monster he was going to draw next on stream was dragon like and I'm assuming that's going to be what the wasting mother looks like. I don't think this lady is as important. However, the red hair makes me think she's another Sky Human or was one before whatever happened. I doubt she's related to any Chosen. But with her hair looking like ooze dripping from the end, she could be one of the plagueborn that Ella mentioned. Or infected by the Wasting Mother.

Brother Dipasimaan what are the letters for the new monster picture? That usually gives a good hint of what the monster name is or it's relation.

 

[Nuvlear3123]

Honestly i think the most limiting thing about the MC right now is that he has to touch people to gain access to their memories. I think the most logical and powerful step for evo 4 is that he can access them at a range.

 

[Jonathan Y]

Honestly i think the most limiting thing about the MC right now is that he has to touch people to gain access to their memories. I think the most logical and powerful step for evo 4 is that he can access them at a range.

There are definitely hints of that happening, in the latest update the Eye whispers things to him, like when it tells him that Deus is searching for Malik, or when it tells him Bernhardts mission is to destroy, it knows their intent likely due to being in close proximity to them without any physical contact.

Also in the Bernhardt dead end the Eye noted things about his powers, the reading were shallow as he himself said, but it definitely seems that memories will become available without any physical contact.

 

[kazuan]

maybe hyperbole was the wrong way to put this, or at least not a complete one, you're right. but I think my examples themselves illustrate pretty well what I'm going for. it's one thing to rely on scientific concepts to the extent to which they are a part of the common discourse (i.e. we all know that Sun is a star, and it is very big, and very hot), and be descriptive within that. it's another thing to take all of that at face value scientifically and follow everything described to its mathematical conclusions. i don't doubt that WW thinks hard about how he describes the powers and their effects. but i am certain he doesn't sit there with a stack of university level physics texbooks analyzing all the endpoint implications of the powers he introduces. i'm not trying to diminish the story, just discredit all the standard anime characters fight scaling BS that is so common when it comes to this sort of discussions

in other words, the basis of these descriptions is our layman intuitions about the concepts, not the actual concepts themselves. we all intuitively understand that Sun is hot. at the same time, our intuitions fail spectacularly to convey just how hot.

Your examples both do and do not aid your point. The sun one would be so vague due to the extreme range of stellar masses that any attempt to calculate it would vary not just in a handful order of magnitudes but thousands of magnitudes.
The water one doesn't make much logical sense since water isn't just hydrogen so arguing that controlling water means controlling something else because it contains hydrogen is in my opinion illogical. I can't help but feel this specifically may be a jab about a discussion I had previous on what material the MC can shapeshift into and why, though I felt the conclusion had pretty solid logic that explained why WW mentions specific materials.

Since WW said the important monster he was going to draw next on stream was dragon like and I'm assuming that's going to be what the wasting mother looks like. I don't think this lady is as important. However, the red hair makes me think she's another Sky Human or was one before whatever happened. I doubt she's related to any Chosen. But with her hair looking like ooze dripping from the end, she could be one of the plagueborn that Ella mentioned. Or infected by the Wasting Mother.

Brother Dipasimaan what are the letters for the new monster picture? That usually gives a good hint of what the monster name is or it's relation.

I thought she looked kind of familiar and now that you mentioned it she has the same red hair and pointy ears as sky humans did, although her ears are shorter then Aos and his family in the image we saw of them and her hair is sort of reminiscent of wings. Her clothes look organic to me, so with her hair she certainly looks like what I'd assume a spawn or superhuman spawn equivalent of the Wasting Mother to look like.

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[Ddlc]

There are definitely hints of that happening, in the latest update the Eye whispers things to him, like when it tells him that Deus is searching for Malik, or when it tells him Bernhardts mission is to destroy, it knows their intent likely due to being in close proximity to them without any physical contact.

Also in the Bernhardt dead end the Eye noted things about his powers, the reading were shallow as he himself said, but it definitely seems that memories will become available without any physical contact.

Mc is already capable of affecting people's memories at range, and for quite some time. As far as i remember he used that to escape SIN's base.
While in the immaterial world, Syla guided him to affect one of the SIN agents and release him. So, as long as he makes contact with the person there, he will be able to affect their memories. I can only assume it also allows him to "read" the memories they have.
This was before the monster world, and even before the Cole fight. So, i'm sure he would be able to do that even better now, the only problem might be doing this in the middle of a fight. Maybe he could let some memories to guide his body while his consciousness enters the immaterial world, though, in most fights it could be easier to just touch the enemy.

 

[Jonathan Y]

Mc is already capable of affecting people's memories at range, and for quite some time. As far as i remember he used that to escape SIN's base.
While in the immaterial world, Syla guided him to affect one of the SIN agents and release him. So, as long as he makes contact with the person there, he will be able to affect their memories. I can only assume it also allows him to "read" the memories they have.
This was before the monster world, and even before the Cole fight. So, i'm sure he would be able to do that even better now, the only problem might be doing this in the middle of a fight. Maybe he could let some memories to guide his body while his consciousness enters the immaterial world, though, in most fights it could be easier to just touch the enemy.

Oh yeah that's right, but it's not that reliable, it is a pretty ineffective method, certainly not something he can do in a fight. Influencing people from the dream world seems poorly suited for fast combat. And also he influenced a pretty weak SIN member, as I remember he knocked her out in one hit so she must've been rather weak, so if he were to find the consciousness of someone his level I'd reckon he would have a marginally more difficult time influencing them.

And then there's the issue of locating their consciousness.

 

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I have a slight feeling that she's the type of girl who bites a guy's penis just for fun.

You say that because she is a redhead? sound legit.

 

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[M1K3_0]

Is there any fan ports for mobile, or plans from WeirdWorld to make an official port?