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KyngC

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Glae is definitely in that tier IMO for starters she's the oldest character in the game by far right? That alone sets her apart from most as she will presumably have had millions of years of being the first and only chosen of Fantasy to accumulate power and gather knowledge on things that no other character has. And as you point out Fantasy seems a better origin for combat than you'd first assume too, probably still not power or dark tier so idk if she'll end up being explicitly as strong or stronger than Indra(I feel like he's most set up to be the final big boss too so I'm still thinking he's like THE strongest chosen but it could easily be Glae or a fully restored Valravn too) nevertheless it will probably be relatively close between those 3 and we can at least assume she'd beat Malik, which is obviously small feat lol, from what Ella says in her journal entry (in which she also calls out "Captain Fire" by name as one of the attack squad)

"Aglaecwif is being particularly uncooperative, but if any of the enemy stumble upon her... that will be the end of them, no matter who they are. Soldier, lieutenant or even captain."

I guess that is just Ellas opinion, but she's walking exposition that knows anything and everything so I trust her judgement on this especially combined with the glimpse we saw of Glae X Malik
I don't think Glae is beating Malik. Pissing him off and putting up a good fight sure, but actually beating him? No I don't see it happening. With the way the big three are described and the recent dead end where Malik or Bern are shown literally destroying the entire Sky and Sea world — universe and all, I just don't see it happening.
 

DrakoGhoul

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A Poll to see who is the most liked /popular captain.
Not going to lie, this wasn't a good poll idea. Nyx about to sweep. Doing a favorite lieutenants poll would have gave more variety. Since there's more to choose from. Nyx being Death Mommy and the only female captain makes it the easy pick. Though, Malik isn't doing so bad himself.
 

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Not going to lie, this wasn't a good poll idea. Nyx about to sweep. Doing a favorite lieutenants poll would have gave more variety. Since there's more to choose from. Nyx being Death Mommy and the only female captain makes it the easy pick. Though, Malik isn't doing so bad himself.
True haha but gotta add her even though she will win because of Horny lol.
 

DrakoGhoul

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True haha but gotta add her even though she will win because of Horny lol.
True, but when I think about it. The same could still happen with the lieutenants poll as well. Only difference is there's slightly more women than men lol. Which would split the votes more among the ladies.

1. Nico
2. Alexis
3. Henri
4. Clark
5. Halona
6. Kira
7. Lisa
8. Deus
9. Duncan aka Tree Boy
10. Jill
11. Elijah

Excluding Melody, since she still hasn't appeared. There's 6 known female lieutenants and 5 known male lieutenants.
 

Sayajin2205

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True, but when I think about it. The same could still happen with the lieutenants poll as well. Only difference is there's slightly more women than men lol. Which would split the votes more among the ladies.

1. Nico
2. Alexis
3. Henri
4. Clark
5. Halona
6. Kira
7. Lisa
8. Deus
9. Duncan aka Tree Boy
10. Jill
11. Elijah

Excluding Melody, since she still hasn't appeared. There's 6 known female lieutenants and 5 known male lieutenants.
Melody still might do better than Elijah lol
 

Shaun@121

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Sorry to ask this but why berny and Malik has 3 trait of monster ,i thought we got the power of one and then it branches out different according to their condition and i always thought mc has 2 trait from 3rd and 4th and every one has one ,but malik and berny has 3 ( truth , fantasy, power for malik and space for berny) is this something else or i got the wrong concept and if yes then other powerful people also have more than 1 trait ?
And an additional questions,big three is beating goku ?:WaitWhat::HideThePain:
 

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Sorry to ask this but why berny and Malik has 3 trait of monster ,i thought we got the power of one and then it branches out different according to their condition and i always thought mc has 2 trait from 3rd and 4th and every one has one ,but malik and berny has 3 ( truth , fantasy, power for malik and space for berny) is this something else or i got the wrong concept and if yes then other powerful people also have more than 1 trait ?
And an additional questions,big three is beating goku ?:WaitWhat::HideThePain:
No, nobody beat Goku, he is Gokuversal

About your first question, what make the MC special is that he was converted by two Apostles, each Apostle has just one, untainted Trait, being the Spawn of one make you greater from the start, the MC being the spawn of two make him special in certain ways, some good, other not so much, but is still a big deal.

Now, fodder monsters, the more separated from the origin(Apostle) often have mixed traits, four or even five, both Malik and Bernhardt were converted by weak monsters very separated from the origin, hence a mixed genetic makeup, needles to say, they are far more powerful than their respective monster parent
 

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So I'm trying to figure out what this "core trait" thing is. Everything I've seen seems to indicate that it is different from your inclination to certain apostle traits. The way Ella describes it, the core trait is something that everyone has, monster, human, or superhuman, though it only plays a part with how monsters and superhumans interact with their powers. We know that compatibility with the core trait informs what evolutions you'll be able to undergo without monsterfying. We also know that it is independent of your monster parent or your mental state, seeing as how Ella determined that Emily would have near perfect compatibility with the trait, but wouldn't be able to become a superhuman due to her mental state yet also couldn't tell which monster would best fit her genetically.

The simple answer is basically just "the core trait is the ability to channel monster energy", but that seems too simple for how obtuse the game is being about it.
 

DrakoGhoul

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Sorry to ask this but why berny and Malik has 3 trait of monster ,i thought we got the power of one and then it branches out different according to their condition and i always thought mc has 2 trait from 3rd and 4th and every one has one ,but malik and berny has 3 ( truth , fantasy, power for malik and space for berny) is this something else or i got the wrong concept and if yes then other powerful people also have more than 1 trait ?
And an additional questions,big three is beating goku ?:WaitWhat::HideThePain:
Because all monsters below the Chosen or 1st Generation tend to be mixed. So around 2nd Generation and below. You can have exceptions of monsters created by the 12th, who are first generation like the M77 Udug but mixed with a whole bunch of monsters. You can also have 2nd Generation who are fully "pure" as well.

So to answer your question. Monsters are mixed among each other and the breeding they do develops powers and traits that might be uncommon within their ancestors. Their make up doesn't necessarily means they have those traits separately. Malik powers are predominantly fire, for example. His monster likely being far down the generational ladder. However, he might have some minor functions to his fire that utilizes traits from Truth and Fantasy.

MC is different from Malik and Bernhardt. He gets his power directly from an Apostle. Because of his genetics, he inherited both of the Twins traits. Even though one turns him. Because each individual twin can pass on their twin trait as well.
 

Zekethor

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Sorry to ask this but why berny and Malik has 3 trait of monster ,i thought we got the power of one and then it branches out different according to their condition and i always thought mc has 2 trait from 3rd and 4th and every one has one ,but malik and berny has 3 ( truth , fantasy, power for malik and space for berny) is this something else or i got the wrong concept and if yes then other powerful people also have more than 1 trait ?
And an additional questions,big three is beating goku ?:WaitWhat::HideThePain:
I was reading through their conversation and got curious too, I don't recall seeing anything like that in the game. But just the thought that someone could combine "Fantasy" which, to me, represents the imagined, the unreal, with "Truth," the embodiment of absolute reality... that's terrifying. It’s like collapsing the boundary between what could be and what is. That’s reality-warping on an absurd level.

No wonder Henrick Bendrix can annihilate monsters in the Otherworld with a single thought, or declare there are no humans in a city, and suddenly... there aren't. His will becomes law. And if that's not enough, imagine him having access to three traits. Add “Power” to that? Or “Space”? The possibilities are just insane.
 

Zekethor

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Because all monsters below the Chosen or 1st Generation tend to be mixed. So around 2nd Generation and below. You can have exceptions of monsters created by the 12th, who are first generation like the M77 Udug but mixed with a whole bunch of monsters. You can also have 2nd Generation who are fully "pure" as well.

So to answer your question. Monsters are mixed among each other and the breeding they do develops powers and traits that might be uncommon within their ancestors. Their make up doesn't necessarily means they have those traits separately. Malik powers are predominantly fire, for example. His monster likely being far down the generational ladder. However, he might have some minor functions to his fire that utilizes traits from Truth and Fantasy.

MC is different from Malik and Bernhardt. He gets his power directly from an Apostle. Because of his genetics, he inherited both of the Twins traits. Even though one turns him. Because each individual twin can pass on their twin trait as well.
In that sense, would you happen to know why Tanos chose that specific monster to transform Amber and Liz? Was it also because of its unique compatibility with certain Apostles he’s connected to?
 

DrakoGhoul

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In that sense, would you happen to know why Tanos chose that specific monster to transform Amber and Liz? Was it also because of its unique compatibility with certain Apostles he’s connected to?
I'm not sure I understand your question. He chose the Strength Eaters for Amber and Liz because that's what they're compatible with. It had nothing to do with his own compatibility or the Apostles directly. He was testing out his twin theory and was likely seeing what would happen with Strength Eater spawns.
 

Zekethor

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I'm not sure I understand your question. He chose the Strength Eaters for Amber and Liz because that's what they're compatible with. It had nothing to do with his own compatibility or the Apostles directly. He was testing out his twin theory and was likely seeing what would happen with Strength Eater spawns.
Oh really? I thought there would be a more meaningful reason behind choosing that monster rather than mere convenience. One idea that crossed my mind was that perhaps he aimed to purify the twins' connection on a deeper level. Not just by transforming them, which alone would elevate them beyond typical superhumans, but by fusing them into a single body, attempting to mirror the arbiters' purity. From that perspective, the selected monster being unique would make the interaction even more coherent within whatever larger plan he might be orchestrating.
 
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Shaun@121

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I was reading through their conversation and got curious too, I don't recall seeing anything like that in the game. But just the thought that someone could combine "Fantasy" which, to me, represents the imagined, the unreal, with "Truth," the embodiment of absolute reality... that's terrifying. It’s like collapsing the boundary between what could be and what is. That’s reality-warping on an absurd level.

No wonder Henrick Bendrix can annihilate monsters in the Otherworld with a single thought, or declare there are no humans in a city, and suddenly... there aren't. His will becomes law. And if that's not enough, imagine him having access to three traits. Add “Power” to that? Or “Space”? The possibilities are just insane.
And maybe that's the reason he helped malik and berny to reach level 5 without losing there mind and severing the connection and also remove the restriction (if any ) added by apostle,i mean he can just say it and by power of truth it came into existence and maybe there would also some ritual of some kind in which they sacrifice comrades in case of malik and binding an entity in case of berny like a conduit to work Henry's power and allowed them to be this powerful,
 
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So I'm trying to figure out what this "core trait" thing is. Everything I've seen seems to indicate that it is different from your inclination to certain apostle traits. The way Ella describes it, the core trait is something that everyone has, monster, human, or superhuman, though it only plays a part with how monsters and superhumans interact with their powers. We know that compatibility with the core trait informs what evolutions you'll be able to undergo without monsterfying. We also know that it is independent of your monster parent or your mental state, seeing as how Ella determined that Emily would have near perfect compatibility with the trait, but wouldn't be able to become a superhuman due to her mental state yet also couldn't tell which monster would best fit her genetically.

The simple answer is basically just "the core trait is the ability to channel monster energy", but that seems too simple for how obtuse the game is being about it.
I think it's not quite that simple, but close to it. Ella says that the core trait is responsible for all the common attributes shared by monsters and superhumans. All superhumans have five evolutions, all monsters can infect others, all supernatural beings in general have their energy infused into their flesh. I think the idea is that the core trait is the set of powers that go unacknowledged as being powers, but implicitly must be. The things that actually create the interface between your biology and the supernatural energy in you, that everything else you do with your powers builds upon. That's why it's important to have high compatability to it, because it's the foundation for everything else. Even if you have high compatability with the Dark (just for example), if you don't have high compatability with the core trait you won't have the biological features needed to safely use the Dark. And so you'll probably die when your body starts channeling a ton of Dark energy.
 
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