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My guess is that the MC is just wearing his hair differently in that possible future. Which sounds a bit silly, but it's the most distinctive part of his appearance. With how much of his face it covers, he'd need to change the hair anyway to have any other changes be visible. And it makes sense symbolically. The MC wears his hair low to cover his scars, which he's still self-conscious about despite all the confidence he's gained. Deciding to finally show the scars off with no reservations would be a good visual metaphor for a big life change. Especially if it involves the Eye, a being which represents itself as his scarred eyes.
Hell, maybe he'd get rid of the scars entirely. He certainly can do it even right now, but I guess it's another one of those "how he perceives himself" moments. He just can't "see" himself without the scars. Maybe after accepting the eye, or dealing with the trauma of the night he got those scars ( waiting for him and Indra to run the ones ), he'll finally let go of the memory of those scars and shed that baggage. Would be good character development in my opinion.
 

Dmoll007

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My guess is that the MC is just wearing his hair differently in that possible future. Which sounds a bit silly, but it's the most distinctive part of his appearance. With how much of his face it covers, he'd need to change the hair anyway to have any other changes be visible. And it makes sense symbolically. The MC wears his hair low to cover his scars, which he's still self-conscious about despite all the confidence he's gained. Deciding to finally show the scars off with no reservations would be a good visual metaphor for a big life change. Especially if it involves the Eye, a being which represents itself as his scarred eyes.
That would be pretty awesome ngl. As much as I like his emo look, he should get a haircut when he's in a better part of his life, like that wedding dream we all saw.
 
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Hey, I just realized if Malik got lured by Algalecwif's words and took an unexplained leave of absence from his duties in HERO during a monster invasion, then Bernhardt might just stop trusting everyone. I mean think about it, if he can't even trust Malik who's his best friend to be responsible, then won't he start doubting the other captains too? Combine, that with his loss of trust in his subordinates, like Elijah and Kira and he may just start trying to do everything alone, setting up the stage for him burning himself out from overwork.
 
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My current thoughts:

First, a joke: "Father Yuren" is a deeply unfortunate name and it was a missed opportunity for the MC to not trash talk him by referring to him as "Piss Daddy". Because if "Yuren" isn't meant to be pronounced the same as "urine", I can't think of what other pronunciation makes sense.

Second, all the reunions were great, both the ones with former lovers who you could rekindle the friendship (and take part in the benefits) with and those like the family and others close to you which served to put some worries to rest on both sides, grant closure to some outstanding issues, and set up for the future as you re-establish your life in your home world. It was especially rewarding getting to come in like a Big Damned Hero to save the day and receive the cheers of the forces you've come in to turn the tide for. It's truly a symbiotic relationship as you get the fulfillment of doing good and making a positive difference, get the joy of earning recognition and praise, and they in turn get renewed hope as a powerful ally and a symbol of protection for them returns to tilt the odds at least a little bit in their favor. It must be an intoxicating feeling, and what being a true superhero is all about.

Third, the cult arc which brings us to the current end of content. The best reunion in my opinion was saved for last, as (imo) Emily is the sweetheart at the emotional core of the game. Having gone so long without any content with her had lulled me into losing touch with that connection, and now I wish I could go back and change my answer in the monster world about if I had someone in mind as a romantic interest. At the time I wasn't sure, so I said I hadn't decided on anyone yet, but seeing Emily again reminded me why she was my favorite from the start. Even the sex scene reinforced that, as it felt a lot more like a couple making love with all the affection and emotional intimacy that implies rather than simple fucking for pleasure. As a character, she has "designated girlfriend" written all over her.

Minor bits:
  • Emily is "best girl" in my opinion, and I acknowledge that's subjective, but I will brook no argument that Shadow is "Best Good Girl" and we had damned well better find a way to save her. Seeing her in such a sad condition, barely alive, was just heartbreaking not merely for the emotional effect it had on Emily but because Shadow in her own right is worth being attached to. She's more than simply an animal, she's Emily's companion and loyal protector and is a truly pure soul. She deserves to remain at Emily's side for the entire lifetime of her human, and I very much want the game to offer me a way to make that outcome happen.

  • Some people seem to be misremembering Ella's words about Emily's monster compatibility --it's not that she had trouble finding a compatible one for her, it's that Emily had a particularly strong affinity for transformation that would work remarkably well with a number of different options. She couldn't settle on one ideal match because there were a variety of equally great options and none seemed to stand out more than the others to make for an obviously right choice. I'm thinking, or at least hoping, that means the player will get the option to make the choice and thus customize Emily's superhuman form to our own preference.

  • The whole cult infiltration plan really was half-assed on the part of the MC and it seems a mere combination of luck and enemy incompetence that it didn't utterly backfire. It's really inexcusable, he knew that a Chosen of Authority --a class of foe he'd had quite a lot of trouble with before-- was in charge and a confrontation was probably inevitable, and he did little if anything to prepare or maximize his chances. Instead he just casually took the blunt and direct route counting on his power to guarantee victory, with no basis for believing he outclassed the enemy beyond his own blind overconfidence, and if he'd turned out to underestimate them it would have bitten him on the ass badly.

  • Worse, once he found out two powerless civilians who were among his closest friends were there to try to infiltrate the cult, he took no precautions to protect them. He didn't let H.E.R.O know they were there or give the girls a method such as a signal or code word to identify themselves to their agents, he didn't coordinate with them on the mission in the first place so that they knew he was there or he knew they were coming at all. Even without H.E.R.O's involvement he knew he was going to be starting a shitshow among the cult compound sooner or later, and he didn't attempt to evacuate the girls or find them a safe shelter to ride it out or anything. Even if crazy-assed Christie couldn't be convinced to leave or hide, Emily is a reasonable and intelligent person and it wouldn't have taken much to convince her that she should be somewhere else safe for the time being in case the shit hit the fan. All he'd need to do is promise that if things didn't go south and it was safe to do so she could return and try to get the solutions for bringing back Ella and saving Shadow that she was there to find. Instead he took no precautions of any kind, and he's damned lucky the assaulting agents didn't come in weapons hot and gun down any cultist on sight rather than go out of their way to capture them alive and uninjured if they could.

  • Speaking of uninjured, they might not have been shot but they were tackled and manhandled pretty roughly, and who knows what conditions the prisoners will be kept in before Christie and Emily can be identified and their captors persuaded to release them. Someone's going to have to go in there and rescue Shadow as well, and we had damned well better hope one of those idiots didn't get spooked and shoot her. In all, the whole situation was a clusterfuck that could have gone very wrong in any number of ways and it's all because the MC acted like a dumbass. I hope someone chews him out for being so irresponsibly sloppy and he learns to act more intelligently in the future.
 

KingAgamemnon

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Aug 7, 2022
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My current thoughts:

First, a joke: "Father Yuren" is a deeply unfortunate name and it was a missed opportunity for the MC to not trash talk him by referring to him as "Piss Daddy". Because if "Yuren" isn't meant to be pronounced the same as "urine", I can't think of what other pronunciation makes sense.

Second, all the reunions were great, both the ones with former lovers who you could rekindle the friendship (and take part in the benefits) with and those like the family and others close to you which served to put some worries to rest on both sides, grant closure to some outstanding issues, and set up for the future as you re-establish your life in your home world. It was especially rewarding getting to come in like a Big Damned Hero to save the day and receive the cheers of the forces you've come in to turn the tide for. It's truly a symbiotic relationship as you get the fulfillment of doing good and making a positive difference, get the joy of earning recognition and praise, and they in turn get renewed hope as a powerful ally and a symbol of protection for them returns to tilt the odds at least a little bit in their favor. It must be an intoxicating feeling, and what being a true superhero is all about.

Third, the cult arc which brings us to the current end of content. The best reunion in my opinion was saved for last, as (imo) Emily is the sweetheart at the emotional core of the game. Having gone so long without any content with her had lulled me into losing touch with that connection, and now I wish I could go back and change my answer in the monster world about if I had someone in mind as a romantic interest. At the time I wasn't sure, so I said I hadn't decided on anyone yet, but seeing Emily again reminded me why she was my favorite from the start. Even the sex scene reinforced that, as it felt a lot more like a couple making love with all the affection and emotional intimacy that implies rather than simple fucking for pleasure. As a character, she has "designated girlfriend" written all over her.

Minor bits:
  • Emily is "best girl" in my opinion, and I acknowledge that's subjective, but I will brook no argument that Shadow is "Best Good Girl" and we had damned well better find a way to save her. Seeing her in such a sad condition, barely alive, was just heartbreaking not merely for the emotional effect it had on Emily but because Shadow in her own right is worth being attached to. She's more than simply an animal, she's Emily's companion and loyal protector and is a truly pure soul. She deserves to remain at Emily's side for the entire lifetime of her human, and I very much want the game to offer me a way to make that outcome happen.

  • Some people seem to be misremembering Ella's words about Emily's monster compatibility --it's not that she had trouble finding a compatible one for her, it's that Emily had a particularly strong affinity for transformation that would work remarkably well with a number of different options. She couldn't settle on one ideal match because there were a variety of equally great options and none seemed to stand out more than the others to make for an obviously right choice. I'm thinking, or at least hoping, that means the player will get the option to make the choice and thus customize Emily's superhuman form to our own preference.

  • The whole cult infiltration plan really was half-assed on the part of the MC and it seems a mere combination of luck and enemy incompetence that it didn't utterly backfire. It's really inexcusable, he knew that a Chosen of Authority --a class of foe he'd had quite a lot of trouble with before-- was in charge and a confrontation was probably inevitable, and he did little if anything to prepare or maximize his chances. Instead he just casually took the blunt and direct route counting on his power to guarantee victory, with no basis for believing he outclassed the enemy beyond his own blind overconfidence, and if he'd turned out to underestimate them it would have bitten him on the ass badly.

  • Worse, once he found out two powerless civilians who were among his closest friends were there to try to infiltrate the cult, he took no precautions to protect them. He didn't let H.E.R.O know they were there or give the girls a method such as a signal or code word to identify themselves to their agents, he didn't coordinate with them on the mission in the first place so that they knew he was there or he knew they were coming at all. Even without H.E.R.O's involvement he knew he was going to be starting a shitshow among the cult compound sooner or later, and he didn't attempt to evacuate the girls or find them a safe shelter to ride it out or anything. Even if crazy-assed Christie couldn't be convinced to leave or hide, Emily is a reasonable and intelligent person and it wouldn't have taken much to convince her that she should be somewhere else safe for the time being in case the shit hit the fan. All he'd need to do is promise that if things didn't go south and it was safe to do so she could return and try to get the solutions for bringing back Ella and saving Shadow that she was there to find. Instead he took no precautions of any kind, and he's damned lucky the assaulting agents didn't come in weapons hot and gun down any cultist on sight rather than go out of their way to capture them alive and uninjured if they could.

  • Speaking of uninjured, they might not have been shot but they were tackled and manhandled pretty roughly, and who knows what conditions the prisoners will be kept in before Christie and Emily can be identified and their captors persuaded to release them. Someone's going to have to go in there and rescue Shadow as well, and we had damned well better hope one of those idiots didn't get spooked and shoot her. In all, the whole situation was a clusterfuck that could have gone very wrong in any number of ways and it's all because the MC acted like a dumbass. I hope someone chews him out for being so irresponsibly sloppy and he learns to act more intelligently in the future.
I'm willing to sidestep MC's ignorance of how to deal with Emily and Christie as just heavy handed authorial intervention so that Emily and Christie can end up getting infected by Valravn and Eisheth.
 
Sep 3, 2018
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On a separate topic, I may be a furvert but I find this monster in particular very intriguing:

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In particular I'm curious to know more about its status and capabilities, as having it transform either Shadow (to save her life and upgrade her) or Emily (to give her a cool form that would make her almost like a big sister to her beloved pup) or both would be really cool.

Regardless, she was presented as mysterious and all indications were that we will encounter her again, so I'm looking forward to getting to learn more.
 

TheShelly

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Dec 20, 2020
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My current thoughts:

First, a joke: "Father Yuren" is a deeply unfortunate name and it was a missed opportunity for the MC to not trash talk him by referring to him as "Piss Daddy". Because if "Yuren" isn't meant to be pronounced the same as "urine", I can't think of what other pronunciation makes sense.

Second, all the reunions were great, both the ones with former lovers who you could rekindle the friendship (and take part in the benefits) with and those like the family and others close to you which served to put some worries to rest on both sides, grant closure to some outstanding issues, and set up for the future as you re-establish your life in your home world. It was especially rewarding getting to come in like a Big Damned Hero to save the day and receive the cheers of the forces you've come in to turn the tide for. It's truly a symbiotic relationship as you get the fulfillment of doing good and making a positive difference, get the joy of earning recognition and praise, and they in turn get renewed hope as a powerful ally and a symbol of protection for them returns to tilt the odds at least a little bit in their favor. It must be an intoxicating feeling, and what being a true superhero is all about.

Third, the cult arc which brings us to the current end of content. The best reunion in my opinion was saved for last, as (imo) Emily is the sweetheart at the emotional core of the game. Having gone so long without any content with her had lulled me into losing touch with that connection, and now I wish I could go back and change my answer in the monster world about if I had someone in mind as a romantic interest. At the time I wasn't sure, so I said I hadn't decided on anyone yet, but seeing Emily again reminded me why she was my favorite from the start. Even the sex scene reinforced that, as it felt a lot more like a couple making love with all the affection and emotional intimacy that implies rather than simple fucking for pleasure. As a character, she has "designated girlfriend" written all over her.

Minor bits:
  • Emily is "best girl" in my opinion, and I acknowledge that's subjective, but I will brook no argument that Shadow is "Best Good Girl" and we had damned well better find a way to save her. Seeing her in such a sad condition, barely alive, was just heartbreaking not merely for the emotional effect it had on Emily but because Shadow in her own right is worth being attached to. She's more than simply an animal, she's Emily's companion and loyal protector and is a truly pure soul. She deserves to remain at Emily's side for the entire lifetime of her human, and I very much want the game to offer me a way to make that outcome happen.

  • Some people seem to be misremembering Ella's words about Emily's monster compatibility --it's not that she had trouble finding a compatible one for her, it's that Emily had a particularly strong affinity for transformation that would work remarkably well with a number of different options. She couldn't settle on one ideal match because there were a variety of equally great options and none seemed to stand out more than the others to make for an obviously right choice. I'm thinking, or at least hoping, that means the player will get the option to make the choice and thus customize Emily's superhuman form to our own preference.

  • The whole cult infiltration plan really was half-assed on the part of the MC and it seems a mere combination of luck and enemy incompetence that it didn't utterly backfire. It's really inexcusable, he knew that a Chosen of Authority --a class of foe he'd had quite a lot of trouble with before-- was in charge and a confrontation was probably inevitable, and he did little if anything to prepare or maximize his chances. Instead he just casually took the blunt and direct route counting on his power to guarantee victory, with no basis for believing he outclassed the enemy beyond his own blind overconfidence, and if he'd turned out to underestimate them it would have bitten him on the ass badly.

  • Worse, once he found out two powerless civilians who were among his closest friends were there to try to infiltrate the cult, he took no precautions to protect them. He didn't let H.E.R.O know they were there or give the girls a method such as a signal or code word to identify themselves to their agents, he didn't coordinate with them on the mission in the first place so that they knew he was there or he knew they were coming at all. Even without H.E.R.O's involvement he knew he was going to be starting a shitshow among the cult compound sooner or later, and he didn't attempt to evacuate the girls or find them a safe shelter to ride it out or anything. Even if crazy-assed Christie couldn't be convinced to leave or hide, Emily is a reasonable and intelligent person and it wouldn't have taken much to convince her that she should be somewhere else safe for the time being in case the shit hit the fan. All he'd need to do is promise that if things didn't go south and it was safe to do so she could return and try to get the solutions for bringing back Ella and saving Shadow that she was there to find. Instead he took no precautions of any kind, and he's damned lucky the assaulting agents didn't come in weapons hot and gun down any cultist on sight rather than go out of their way to capture them alive and uninjured if they could.

  • Speaking of uninjured, they might not have been shot but they were tackled and manhandled pretty roughly, and who knows what conditions the prisoners will be kept in before Christie and Emily can be identified and their captors persuaded to release them. Someone's going to have to go in there and rescue Shadow as well, and we had damned well better hope one of those idiots didn't get spooked and shoot her. In all, the whole situation was a clusterfuck that could have gone very wrong in any number of ways and it's all because the MC acted like a dumbass. I hope someone chews him out for being so irresponsibly sloppy and he learns to act more intelligently in the future.
As someone currently doing another playthrough of the game, I can say that Emily's compatibility was off the charts, but Ella didn't know what exactly she was compatible with, even with her encyclopedic knowledge about monsters. Which is why I am of the belief that Shadow is going to turn into the first member of an entirely new monster species and it will be that new species Emily is perfectly compatible with.
 

Jonathan Y

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Dec 1, 2020
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On a separate topic, I may be a furvert but I find this monster in particular very intriguing:

View attachment 5090492

In particular I'm curious to know more about its status and capabilities, as having it transform either Shadow (to save her life and upgrade her) or Emily (to give her a cool form that would make her almost like a big sister to her beloved pup) or both would be really cool.

Regardless, she was presented as mysterious and all indications were that we will encounter her again, so I'm looking forward to getting to learn more.
I think she is the means with which Valravn will escape HERO. It always seemed odd that until know he seemed to be confident he will escape and fulfill his plan.
I mean, even after finaly regaining his heart only to lose and be captured a short while later by the Mc, he still seemed confident he would fulfill his Lord's plan, as he says the moment the eclipse happened, which to me seemed odd, since his chances of escaping HERO seemed poor, and even if he did, I was surprised he did not seem more frustrated by his situation, I mean this dude was imprisoned by Ella for months, and hunted many young women afterwards in futile attempts to restore his strengths, so to me it seemed his situation was pretty dire, but now we find he has allies. And this shadow cat girl seemed to be able to detect Valravn's traces on the Mc, so it could be the spawn of the 7th have some psychic connection to eachother.

She will likely break him out. We know the dark miasma power the spawn of the 7th have is really powerful, as Valravn evaded Nico with it, and he stil can use it to block mind reading. It's likely this cat girl has some branch of that power, likely will allow her to infiltrate HERO's cells and retrieve him.
 

DrakoGhoul

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Jul 13, 2018
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Valravn is confident he'll escape because he made a side deal with Xanthe. It's how he's been able to regenerate power when he shouldn't be. Pretty sure he even implied it when he first meets Syla in the 7th path of the Immaterial World.

But knowing WW, he'll likely shoehorn Emily into Valravn's escape route to make up a "fated" encounter scenario.
 

KingAgamemnon

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Aug 7, 2022
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I've seen some people predict this before, but I suspect HERO will collapse due to internal conflicts sometime in the future. Nico/Xanthe represent one aspect, Henri appears to be keeping secrets of his own, and Deus is acting under his own agenda, and Dexter probably is the figurehead that doesn't have as tight of a grip as he would like on things.
 

DrakoGhoul

Engaged Member
Jul 13, 2018
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Valravn is confident he'll escape because he made a side deal with Xanthe. It's how he's been able to regenerate power when he shouldn't be. Pretty sure he even implied it when he first meets Syla in the 7th path of the Immaterial World.

But knowing WW, he'll likely shoehorn Emily into Valravn's escape route to make up a "fated" encounter scenario.
Yeah, so I did remember right.
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Chances are, Valravn escape is going to be intentional. Especially since HERO is pretty thin now and has a lot of Level 5s doing other things.
 

Dmoll007

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Jun 21, 2025
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I've seen some people predict this before, but I suspect HERO will collapse due to internal conflicts sometime in the future. Nico/Xanthe represent one aspect, Henri appears to be keeping secrets of his own, and Deus is acting under his own agenda, and Dexter probably is the figurehead that doesn't have as tight of a grip as he would like on things.
A collapse of an organisation like hero wouldn't happen over such trivial things. That's just not how things work.
 

Zekethor2

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May 26, 2025
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On a separate topic, I may be a furvert but I find this monster in particular very intriguing:

View attachment 5090492

In particular I'm curious to know more about its status and capabilities, as having it transform either Shadow (to save her life and upgrade her) or Emily (to give her a cool form that would make her almost like a big sister to her beloved pup) or both would be really cool.

Regardless, she was presented as mysterious and all indications were that we will encounter her again, so I'm looking forward to getting to learn more.
its her eyes.... hahah btw I helped her
So guys, what are your thoughts on Henri’s power drawback? Bendrix.jpg
In my opinion, I think it’s all about control. The more power he uses, the more he loses control over it, and maybe that even affects his mind and sanity, But if he rests afterward, he should be able to recover.

That’s probably why the other two members of H.E.R.O were so worried about his control when the three of them were flying together. Back then, he told them he was fine, but now we can see why they were concerned.
 

DefaultNK

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I believe this is a reference to the time Xanthe explained the power-draining capabilities of the cells to him, not a bargain between the two of them. IIRC Valravn didn't believe that H.E.R.O would still be able to hold him once his power started to regenerate.
 

Leo D. Marstone

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This game must have the most dedicated community still talking and theorizing about the lore and characters of a porn game on this site. Maybe Out of Touch could rival the dedication but the dev is.... weird to keep it nice :HideThePain:

Everytime I come around I see paragraphes of text about discussions or opinions of characters.:)
Don't get me wrong I think this is awesome and it tells me that the dev has written a good mystery story.

So I hope you are as dedicated when it comes to my questions.

What about the "game" or sex scenes xD

As for scenes:
I played a very early version of the game back then and it felt pretty lackluster on the porn aspect as a porn game...if you know what I mean :unsure:
IIRC I played up to the point in which you go into a casino undercover with one of your school friends but turns go wrong and she fucking dies.....supposedly. Dunno what happens afterwards but up to this point the porn was more in the background really. You had a scene here and there but thats it. Difficult to explain sry.

My question is I guess, does the frequency of h scenes rev up the further you are in or should I make peace with that the game is a story game first and porn game second?

As for the game:
I remember that there are a shit ton of points and variables in play that makes it impossible to keep a track of in one playthrough.
For example getting stronger in your monster form by training in your room, shapeshifting tendencys into a girl, friendship points with literally everyone and to NTR or not to NTR one of your childhood friends.

The training part is actually mandatory if you don't want an early game over if I remember but the other stuff might imply that there a many different outcomes on how the game will play out.

Do the points or characters you invest time in actually matter and changes the game drastically or is it like just pick your favorite but the game plays out the same anyway.
Also is the NTR part still in the game and doubles down on that or did it lost focus down the line?
 
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