VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.9999b Public] [WeirdWorld]

[TheShelly]

'' trying to make mc not special or broken ''.
Yeah I hope that's not the fcking case . I was anticipating the Mc returning to Earth as a level four, not a stronger level 3.
I was hoping that after the Monster World arc he would be at a level where should he face Cole again he would be able to hold his own without Deryl's assistance, or also maybe have the means for fighting Tanos and righting the twin's mutilation. But no.

He returned to Earth as stronger level 3, forget about beating Cole on his own, Tanos ? Hell no. Devana and Evander ? Yeah, no way, not at the moment. Other SIN fighters like Met or God forbid, Shen ? ( ok Shen is probably broken but still ), hell no. Approaching HERO's lieutanants like Nico, Alexis, Clark etc ? Noooope, it's gonna be a while, any HERO leutanants are way beyond him right now.
I mean hell I was at one point hoping he would reach a level comparable to the big three, but that seems only possible with the fusion with the Eye entity.

Mc needs to keep stacking power-ups, nerfs are the last things he needs.

While the MC not evolving in the Monster World was a dissapointment, we cant forget that all evolutions compound off the pervious ones in their effects. The more power, skill and techniques he accumulates as a level 3, the higher the pay-off of his eventual evolution will be. For that reason, I am fine with the MC not evolving, as long as he can continue development in other ways. As a level 3 he is already exceptionally strong, for the amount he's been one. It can only get better from here.

 

[FenrisTheBurning]

One pattern I noticed, MC had his first evolution when his power was around 10, then it multiplied by 3, the second evolution happened around 100 power and multiplied by 3 again, and with the latest update, we're sitting at about 1000 power (Unless you make some boneheaded decisions in the monster world). So an evolution might be incoming the very next update.

 

[Dmoll007]

'' trying to make mc not special or broken ''.
Yeah I hope that's not the fcking case . I was anticipating the Mc returning to Earth as a level four, not a stronger level 3.
I was hoping that after the Monster World arc he would be at a level where should he face Cole again he would be able to hold his own without Deryl's assistance, or also maybe have the means for fighting Tanos and righting the twin's mutilation. But no.

He returned to Earth as stronger level 3, forget about beating Cole on his own, Tanos ? Hell no. Devana and Evander ? Yeah, no way, not at the moment. Other SIN fighters like Met or God forbid, Shen ? ( ok Shen is probably broken but still ), hell no. Approaching HERO's lieutanants like Nico, Alexis, Clark etc ? Noooope, it's gonna be a while, any HERO leutanants are way beyond him right now.
I mean hell I was at one point hoping he would reach a level comparable to the big three, but that seems only possible with the fusion with the Eye entity.

Mc needs to keep stacking power-ups, nerfs are the last things he needs.

I was actually not expecting him to evolve during his stay in the monster world, judging from the pacing that is. It wouldve felt way too fast to me if it wouldve happened. Evolution is a big deal, and if MC doesnt evolve at the 'right' time and with good pacing, it just would not pack any punch and hype. I think the pacing right now is absolutely perfect, what I am concerned about is that the story might end sooner, without MC being able reach 5th evo, unless weirdworld rushes his evolution from 3rd to 4th to 5th, which wouldnt make any sense unless theres some good explanation, some weird apostle, ella, arbiter shenanigans most likely. Also Im starting to feel henri might be the strongest one out of the big 3 here, after seeing everyone theorize that henri mightve 'brought' malik and burntard to his inner paradox arbiter, and its because of that those two became so broken.

 

[Dmoll007]

man... that doesn’t even come close to explaining how powerful they are. There’s a scene with the three of them flying as if they were equals, the three of the H.E.R.O. If Henri has all that power inside him, it makes zero sense to think those two just happened to get that strong by chance.

we’re talking about power on such a massive scale that even an S+ class monster like Eisheth Zenunim, not just a spawn of the 9th, but the CHOSEN of the 9th, didn’t stand a chance against him. Nothing. Zero. Do you really think the explanation that some people just get really strong is enough to justify those two? Not even close. In my opinion, the most likely explanation is that those two also have something inside them. I don’t know what it is, but that’s definitely the most plausible theory.

My theory is that, just like the Eye only manifested in the MC because he met the necessary 'requirements,' these entities only manifest in a select few in the same way, and I’m not necessarily talking about arbiters. It could be something else entirely that hasn’t been fully revealed yet. The Seahuman Remnant mentioned something about being surprised "they allowed Henri to live", which makes me think that, under certain conditions, these deities can manifest. But since their power is extremely dangerous and overwhelming, maybe the monsters or apostles use their Chosen to control them, something that in Henri’s case, didn’t happen for some reason.

You know for all the talk about how burnhard is so op cuz he destroyed an S+ class 'chosen', and then in these scenes the heroes are basically shitting on eisheth, saying how those two young lv 5 noobs couldnt do their job of killing a godlike creature and they are disappointed and they should be punished and all that.....they are basically saying eisheth aint that strong and beating her was nothing special and it shouldve been possible for the buff girl and burnhards kid.

 

[Dmoll007]

One pattern I noticed, MC had his first evolution when his power was around 10, then it multiplied by 3, the second evolution happened around 100 power and multiplied by 3 again, and with the latest update, we're sitting at about 1000 power (Unless you make some boneheaded decisions in the monster world). So an evolution might be incoming the very next update.

True, but I dont think it multiplied, its just that the evolutions added a fix amount of power, level 2 added 20, level 3 added 200, and judging by coles monster report, his level 4 added 2201 (Going from 902 to 3103)?, unless he increased his power from 902 to 1103 during his fight with the MC (Idk how), then the 2000 was added after than.

 

[BenoTF25]

You know I just realized Indra's Vajra looks a lot like an advanced weapon designed for use with his lightning, combine that with his hatred for humanity, but is Indra basically an upgraded version of Danu?

I mean, he was 100% a Superhuman before, like Syla and Aos(as well as most Chosen) but I don't think he's 100% like Danu, he doesn't seem to hate humanity, more than just see them as enemies, he might even pity them since he has seen them fall countless times before, Indra's a zealot, but even with MC, that he regarded as an aberration(by being a child of a human and a Monster that shouldn't be able to procreate) he talked to him with pity, and was gonna kill him as 'mercy' rather than hate.

 

[BenoTF25]

You know for all the talk about how burnhard is so op cuz he destroyed an S+ class 'chosen', and then in these scenes the heroes are basically shitting on eisheth, saying how those two young lv 5 noobs couldnt do their job of killing a godlike creature and they are disappointed and they should be punished and all that.....they are basically saying eisheth aint that strong and beating her was nothing special and it shouldve been possible for the buff girl and burnhards kid.

The Captains as a whole, even aside Bernhardt and Malik seem to be exceptionally strong level 5, probably because their Decades building power/experience as lvl 4 and maybe just sheer compatibility with their Monster, Stephen talks about all the Captains as Monsters that would live on even if Humanity and the Planet fall, the Lieutenants, even if on the same level, are not as powerful as the Captains.

About Kira and Elijah, they deserve to be punished because they insisted on take on Eisheth, even though they were not powerful enough to the task, their incompetence, and Bernhardt's for having put undeserved faith on them resulting in MC, Deryl and the Twins being captured.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

WW not wanting MC capable of healing reeks of authorial intent. Like, clearly there's gonna be a scene where someone is injured and WW does NOT want MC able to heal them.

 

[Zekethor2]

You know for all the talk about how burnhard is so op cuz he destroyed an S+ class 'chosen', and then in these scenes the heroes are basically shitting on eisheth, saying how those two young lv 5 noobs couldnt do their job of killing a godlike creature and they are disappointed and they should be punished and all that.....they are basically saying eisheth aint that strong and beating her was nothing special and it shouldve been possible for the buff girl and burnhards kid.

Honestly, reading those texts, there’s no indication anywhere that they consider her weak.
It’s only stated that they failed their mission.
It could be that they didn’t fully understand the extent of her powers, or maybe they’re just strong enough to overpower her as well. But nothing suggests it would be as easy as it was for the captain to defeat her.

Yes but down to their cores, shapeshifting and healing are the same.

I know Ella does the same, but a key part of the story, and what made the Mc special, especialy to her, was that due to him inheriting both Body and Memory traits, the knowledge she had to spend countless time researching, to him it comes instinctively by interacting with a bodies inherent memories that dwell in a living organism DNA, this is knowledge that the Mc can access due to his Memory traits, it's a huge deal.
Body traits allows him to shapeshift, and Memory traits gives him the know-how. It's a huge factor that makes him special.

This is something that made him special, and Ella commented on it many times, how she is jealous of him, how he is perfect for inheriting both traits, she praises him back in the Monster World for it. I hope WW doesn't rewrite this, it's essential. And saying a shapeshifter can't heal is just nonsensical to me.

Yeah… but I get WW on this one.
If the MC or Ella could just go around healing like crazy, then only outright fatal injuries would pose any real threat to their allies.
There’d always be the MC ready to patch up any damage.
Michael took a hit to the head? Healed.
Fighting monsters in the monster realm? "Hey MC, come heal me real quick."
It becomes a convenience that even Dragon Ball Super decided to remove during the Tournament of Power — Majin Buu was taken out partly because he could heal.


So what’s the solution?
Maybe go with the idea that healing is difficult, maybe even dangerous — something that comes with serious risks or heavy costs.
But eventually, the MC could reach that level, just not yet.

 

[Dmoll007]

The Captains as a whole, even aside Bernhardt and Malik seem to be exceptionally strong level 5, probably because their Decades building power/experience as lvl 4 and maybe just sheer compatibility with their Monster, Stephen talks about all the Captains as Monsters that would live on even if Humanity and the Planet fall, the Lieutenants, even if on the same level, are not as powerful as the Captains.

About Kira and Elijah, they deserve to be punished because they insisted on take on Eisheth, even though they were not powerful enough to the task, their incompetence, and Bernhardt's for having put undeserved faith on them resulting in MC, Deryl and the Twins being captured.

This is probably how burntard would punish elijah

 

[BenoTF25]

This is probably how burntard would punish elijah View attachment 5083566

Send him to Jupiter, literally.

 

[a1batross]

In my opinion, nerfing MC’s healing into nothing is just wrong. If you want a retcon, make it simple:
He can only repair organs or major wounds for people whose bodies aren’t powerful enough to resist his shapeshifting power (like what he did in the prison, with Jordan and with Laurie).
That’s balanced, no miracle healing mid-fight, but he’s still valuable. Don’t strip him of every cool ability just to make him “less special.”

 

[Zekethor2]

In my opinion, nerfing MC’s healing into nothing is just wrong. If you want a retcon, make it simple:
He can only repair organs or major wounds for people whose bodies aren’t powerful enough to resist his shapeshifting power (like what he did in the prison, with Jordan and with Laurie).
That’s balanced, no miracle healing mid-fight, but he’s still valuable. Don’t strip him of every cool ability just to make him “less special.”

Good solution, although that doesn’t really solve all the problems.
For example, Laurie was level 2 there, and the MC was level 3 fair enough.
But Michael is also level 2, and the MC didn’t regenerate his face.
And Shadow is a dog, and he didn’t heal her either.

I think the best solution is that regeneration just isn’t his strong suit at his current level.
That’s actually what I thought when he didn’t even suggest healing Shadow.
If we go back, he also hesitated to use his powers to shrink Angelina’s boobs.

So maybe there’s no need for a retcon, just clarify it in the next update.
Like, Emily could ask if he can heal Shadow, and he replies that it’s dangerous, that it’s a skill he doesn’t fully control yet.
Not like Ella, who healed Mia, but Ella was already level 5 at that point.

 

[emejejjdm]

True, but I dont think it multiplied, its just that the evolutions added a fix amount of power, level 2 added 20, level 3 added 200, and judging by coles monster report, his level 4 added 2201 (Going from 902 to 3103)?, unless he increased his power from 902 to 1103 during his fight with the MC (Idk how), then the 2000 was added after than.

It was said in the monster report that he got more power than usual from his evolution because he spent so long as a lvl 3

 

[KingAgamemnon]

It was said in the monster report that he got more power than usual from his evolution because he spent so long as a lvl 3

I guess that means the Level 5 evos for the captains were crazy. If we assume its a sort of percentage, then since Cole spent I want to say 5 years as a Level 3? and got a 10% boost, then the Captains got damn near double the normal boost for a Level 5 evo. If the pattern holds, that means the simple act of evolving to Level 5 granted them ~40,000 power.

 

[SevAnsul]

Finally caught up to the end of the current patch. Now, before I start all over and make a save for the hopefully 1.0 version... is there a tl;dr on what Corruption actually offers and/or takes away? I'd read through the thread, but almost 30k posts is a little daunting.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Good solution, although that doesn’t really solve all the problems.
For example, Laurie was level 2 there, and the MC was level 3 fair enough.
But Michael is also level 2, and the MC didn’t regenerate his face.
And Shadow is a dog, and he didn’t heal her either.

I think the best solution is that regeneration just isn’t his strong suit at his current level.
That’s actually what I thought when he didn’t even suggest healing Shadow.
If we go back, he also hesitated to use his powers to shrink Angelina’s boobs.

So maybe there’s no need for a retcon, just clarify it in the next update.
Like, Emily could ask if he can heal Shadow, and he replies that it’s dangerous, that it’s a skill he doesn’t fully control yet.
Not like Ella, who healed Mia, but Ella was already level 5 at that point.

Yeah, that's how I'd do it. Just acknowledge that the MC hasn't focused his training on fleshwarping others. He's spent maybe a couple hours learning to do it, total. And that was aimed at learning cosmetic changes for the sake of disguise, not repairing damaged nervous systems or supernaturally-inflicted scars. Trying to heal people with no idea what you're doing is more likely to just make things worse. Maybe the MC could learn to heal eventually, but he's already got a ton of other things to train, and there are other people he knows who can heal, so he's not making it a priority.

 

[KKStrider]

I can understand why Ella has the ability to heal. Her powers work off of both theoretical and extensive practical knowledge. She sucked with Memory according to herself, so her variant of the Body trait is extremely reliant on not only knowing but using anatomical knowledge to go beyond her default form. She wants to make something new? She builds it from scratch without a base to work off, and her powers let her do precise atomic level changes. Healing someone else should absolutely be within her grasp after years of all that.

As for why the MC can't heal properly, that'd be a bit hard to explain within the boundaries of his currently established lore. Yes, he can't do atomic changes without memories, to the point that his metal making abilities are actually reliant on the sensation Ella provided him. It still leaves questions up in the air though. However, It might be semi-explainable even without a retcon.

At the moment, the MC's ability to transform a body is currently established by the Jake Arc's prison section to rely on both pre-existing memories close to or of the target and knowing how much power to feed into approximate body sizes, else he turns them into a screaming chunks of meat. There are a couple explanations you could provide that align with that.

• You could say that all the missing flesh caused by combat damage would throw off his estimate and make it too risky to try in anything except the most dire emergenies.
• a1batross's explanation could be expanded upon for superhumans. You could say that trying to extensively alter superhumans is extra risky. He struggled with how a normal human's flesh responded to him feeding power into it, another superhuman's internal energies fighting against his invading MP would only make estimations even more complex. He'd have to account for size, MP usage, and how much of the MP he feeds into the flesh gets eliminated. That last one would probably be extra hard to gauge because of variances in maximum internal MP levels, how depleted they are etc. Healing a superhuman who'd been hurt by another superhuman would add a fourth variable to account for to make it extra, extra risky. We know from Jared's bolt that he'd have to feed in power to eliminate the MP from any powers that are negatively affecting his healing target too.
• For diseased characters like shadow, an explanation could be that the alterations to the body the disease has made could also throw off his size estimates. A tumour making a bunch of extra internal tissue or a bunch of internal damage invisible from an external inspection could create changes in mass that'd make it too risky to eyeball.
• If we're just meeting an injured character, we can reuse the explanation that was used when he was trying to deal with Mia as a Level 2. Before he knew how his powers worked, he suspected he'd supplant his memory of Mia's healed form with her damaged form if he touched her again. This doesn't seem to be how his powers work, as he can shift into his younger self just fine now, but it would be a valid explanation as to why he can't save someone he's never touched before that's dying or injured.

 

[Dipasimaan]

Apparently WW has confirmed that MC should not have the ability to heal people. According to him, MC only was able to save Laurie because Deryl was helping. He also mentioned wanting to recton the prison arc scenes to remove this as an implication.

 

[Zekethor2]

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