VN Ren'Py Surviving My Family [Chapter 1] [Carmine Note Games]

[Phase_01]

I read there is NTR but have you more/other information about NTR? how about you showing me were I was talking about scenes?

The NTR will only be there to escalate the conversation to the displeasure of both sides, as planed its adds absolutely nothing and quite frankly i don't believe the dev that will stop there. Once he adds that stuff he will get offers and requests to add more. Another Game had the exact same problem and dev did more and more of that stuff but that was never his plan, so he decided he would axe that content and then he got bullied for that from the "let the Dev do what he wants faction".

I and many others wont support devs that add shitty fetishes just to be edgy. If he had the balls to commit to the bit i wouldn't even be here because my filters would hide the game. I wont get Invested just to later get slapped with a year of non content because there was once again a dude that cant get hard with out being demeaned shelling out 500$ a month for more NTR content.

The dev clearly wrote that there will be no ntr "scenes"
As in the actual event wont even happen, itll just say a girl is about to get raped and then GAME OVER and you get sent back to the home screen. Its not a canon event unless you decide that you want that to be the finale of your story.

If you play the game choosing the right choices, you won't get those bad endings, thus never getting the ntr fails (can't even call them ntr scenes cuz there's nothing there)

Basically, you the player decide if you get the ntr bad ending or not, and you don't even see anything happen, you're just told bad shit happens.

Its the literal equivalent of a bad end where a character dies.
The game is a zombie story, if you're mad that choosing the wrong options (that you yourself are choosing, no one is forcing you to choose those) gets a girl kidnapped or raped, then you should also complain if choosing the wrong option gets someone killed.

 

[OhGodNotAgain]

Good update but...

What I don't get is; the family narrowly escaped being dinner for zombies, they found their "oasis" and the sister immediately wants to go out to "look for answers"? Not only does she wants to go out, but her destination is the town, which is much denser in population than the suburbs where they came from. Does she have a deathwish or something? I kind of understand that she's in shock and can't think clearly but this foolishness is on another level! Her father is a prepper, you would think she inherited some prepper common sense as in; don't go out until its absolutely necessary and even if you go out, don't go to places where there is lots of population, especially during a zombie apocalypse. Because if you do, either you attract attention of the zombie horde and lead them to your "oasis" or you attract the attention of survivors who want to rob you of your food or safe place. It's kinda early to ring the dinner bell, no?

Wouldn't be a zombie apocalypse game/movie without characters making idiotic decisions because as the Critical Drinker says "the rest of the plot has to happen"

 

[battali0n]

I saw some of that in the demo version and hoped, that the dev would have scrapped it, but I guess not. Instead he seems to dive even deeper into it, trying his damnest to get rid of everyone, that doesn't ride that dumb "lesbians are hot" train. That's sad. I will not bother with this then until he makes it avoidable or scrappes it completly. We do have enough supposed harem games, that get destroyed by lesbian content.

I hear you brother.
I saw the game and was very interested until I found out he was forcing the lesbian fetish on us. If he had at least made it optional so that we could choose to not have any lesbian content then it would be worth checking out. I've seen game after game ruined that way. I and so many others no longer support creators until we know what their intentions are with non-vanilla fetishes, like lesbian.

 

[Juerhullycin]

The dev clearly wrote that there will be no ntr "scenes"
As in the actual event wont even happen, itll just say a girl is about to get raped and then GAME OVER and you get sent back to the home screen. Its not a canon event unless you decide that you want that to be the finale of your story.

If you play the game choosing the right choices, you won't get those bad endings, thus never getting the ntr fails (can't even call them ntr scenes cuz there's nothing there)

Basically, you the player decide if you get the ntr bad ending or not, and you don't even see anything happen, you're just told bad shit happens.

Its the literal equivalent of a bad end where a character dies.
The game is a zombie story, if you're mad that choosing the wrong options (that you yourself are choosing, no one is forcing you to choose those) gets a girl kidnapped or raped, then you should also complain if choosing the wrong option gets someone killed.

glad you are of the same opinion as i that those "scenes" don't serve a purpose and could simply not happen at all give the game over screen and move on.

Believe it or not im not a fan of bad ends in the first place because i play those games, also, for the story and shit like that is immersion breaking most of the time. That the Dev makes bad shit happen is one thing, but making it NTR is just straight up bait and we all know it.

Wouldn't be a zombie apocalypse game/movie without characters making idiotic decisions because as the Critical Drinker says "the rest of the plot has to happen"

he isn't saying that as advise for good writing

 

[billydonc]

good job !

 

[Larry2000]

Wow, you got it in one thanks Tiur! I was hoping I wasn't being too subtle with my writing. But you nailed it. Also, Emilia and Lilith are Bi, I can't find that tag on the list, not lesbian but that was the closest tag that fit. They will indeed be the only ones going at it without "your permission" the other girls may or may not be in to it. You won't be able to force them though. Each have their own kinks you can pursue or not. Happy Gaming!

Look, I’m a FAN of lesbian in a harem, but everything Tiur said I did NOT like.

Sorry, but using the sister as catalyst is cool, using her as not a catalyst but a bull dozer? That’s not cool in my book.

You wrote a whole warning about NTR I the OP, but you should have actually written one about the sister. Maybe just as long and as detailed.

For me, the “he’s okay with her doing that without my input” is dumb.

The main reason I hate it is cause it’s what’s called Railroading.

Typically it’s done when there is a plot point you want to get to, but it’s not there so you add an unnatural element to make it happen, story/logic be damned. Not only that, but in ways that betray the expectation of the audience.

To be straight, the forming of relationships with the girls in a family harem is the best part. Using the sister as a crowbar to make this happen takes a lot that element away.

You do the game you want to do, but I was very interested in this game and it’s concept. And now, my interest is nearly zero and that is as a Harem LESBIAN enjoyer.

Feel free to DM me if you want to continue this conversation or there’s something specific you can’t say about the plot here.

Maybe there’s a great story here, but I won’t know cause of what Tiur said is in your game. And that’s okay, just thought I’d share my thoughts.

 

[Larry2000]

It's more along the lines of a Kinetic Novel and I will make it to where "bad ends" can be disabled. Still learning to code and stuff but this first arch shouldn't have any. Thanks for checking it out.

I didn’t read this comment…

If you’re gonna make the bad ends disable-able, what’s the point of them in the first place?!?!

 

[Carmine Note Games]

I didn’t read this comment…

If you’re gonna make the bad ends disable-able, what’s the point of them in the first place?!?!

Umm for people that want tension and won't use the walkthrough? Why do anything tho right...

 

[Larry2000]

Umm for people that want tension and won't use the walkthrough? Why do anything tho right...

Why are you giving me snark? I asked a valid question. There are already ways to avoid it by making the right decisions. Allowing it to be disabled defeats the point of it. That’s why I commented.

 

[Carmine Note Games]

Why are you giving me snark? I asked a valid question. There are already ways to avoid it by making the right decisions. Allowing it to be disabled defeats the point of it. That’s why I commented.

Wrong place wrong time don't take it personal. Anyway its just an extra option for people that still want a walkthrough but not have those options show up so they can still know whats happening or someone who doesnt want a walkthrough but also doesn't want game overs never hurts to give more accessibility options.


In regards to the "lesbian" stuff i wrote this to one of my subscribers so i'll leave it here.

"No problem it's just Lilith and Emilia that will go at it as they are both bi and in a triad relationship with MC(backstories will show up on how the three of them came to be). Lilith likes to tease especially her sister Melissa but that's all it will be. Unless I come up with something but it will be your choice to involve the other girls. You will decide either from their perspective or as the MC, as he isn't a controling figure they have their own agency thus the multiple protag. I'll give you an example Melissa is clearly a hardass who likes to be in control that could lead to femdom stuff but if the player doesn't like that she is willing to be submissive because she is jealous of the affection the MC gave Lilith more than her, leading to male dom content. If niether are your cup of tea their will also be a more vanilla loving path. They all have their kinks and they can be followed or not. You will also never be locked into a path take each event as they come the walkthrough will let you know whats going to happen you can think of it as role play what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom it doesn't spill over into the overall story if Melissa wants to be submissive in the bedroom that doesn't mean she will follow your every order in the world your still likely to butt heads. Overall I'll do my best to make things avoidable not just skipable. But yeah Lilith and Emilia are the only ones that are together. The rest will be your choice as the player not strictly the male MC.
So things that are set in stone:
Emilia, Lilith, MC in a previous relationship that took a pause while kids grew up, they continue that relationship now and both are submissive to MC.
Emilia is a switch submissive to MC Dominate to Lilith how she displays that is your choice.
Emilia and Lilith sexual scenes without MC will be skipable but still happens because of the previous stated relationship.
All main girls will have some level of loving relationship with MC cause its a harem but just like I let you choose weather you wanted to have the threesome or end the night sexual content can be avoided at times not just skipped.
No other male will be with your girls it is not an ntr game. The ntr warning is in regards to one game over screen in a later arch where one of the villains kidnaps a girl but nothing happens unless the wrong decision is made when trying to escape then he stops being a "gentleman" I will imply what happend without depiction or written out detail and tell you not to give up try again. That will be completely avoidable when implemented just like the other game overs for death or something like that. Just trying to build tension for those who want it, not jealousy.
But yeah, I understand your concern no hard feelings just trying my best not to spoil things.
Happy Gaming!"

 

[Larry2000]

Wrong place wrong time don't take it personal. Anyway its just an extra option for people that still want a walkthrough but not have those options show up so they can still know whats happening never hurts to give more accessibility options.


In regards to the "lesbian" stuff i wrote this to one of my subscribers so i'll leave it here.

"No problem it's just Lilith and Emilia that will go at it as they are both bi and in a triad relationship with MC(backstories will show up on how the three of them came to be). Lilith likes to tease especially her sister Melissa but that's all it will be. Unless I come up with something but it will be your choice to involve the other girls. You will decide either from their perspective or as the MC, as he isn't a controling figure they have their own agency thus the multiple protag. I'll give you an example Melissa is clearly a hardass who likes to be in control that could lead to femdom stuff but if the player doesn't like that she is willing to be submissive because she is jealous of the affection the MC gave Lilith more than her, leading to male dom content. If niether are your cup of tea their will also be a more vanilla loving path. They all have their kinks and they can be followed or not. You will also never be locked into a path take each event as they come the walkthrough will let you know whats going to happen you can think of it as role play what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom it doesn't spill over into the overall story if Melissa wants to be submissive in the bedroom that doesn't mean she will follow your every order in the world your still likely to butt heads. Overall I'll do my best to make things avoidable not just skipable. But yeah Lilith and Emilia are the only ones that are together. The rest will be your choice as the player not strictly the male MC.
So things that are set in stone:
Emilia, Lilith, MC in a previous relationship that took a pause while kids grew up, they continue that relationship now and both are submissive to MC.
Emilia is a switch submissive to MC Dominate to Lilith how she displays that is your choice.
Emilia and Lilith sexual scenes without MC will be skipable but still happens because of the previous stated relationship.
All main girls will have some level of loving relationship with MC cause its a harem but just like I let you choose weather you wanted to have the threesome or end the night sexual content can be avoided at times not just skipped.
No other male will be with your girls it is not an ntr game. The ntr warning is in regards to one game over screen in a later arch where one of the villains kidnaps a girl but nothing happens unless the wrong decision is made when trying to escape then he stops being a "gentleman" I will imply what happend without depiction or written out detail and tell you not to give up try again. That will be completely avoidable when implemented just like the other game overs for death or something like that. Just trying to build tension for those who want it, not jealousy.
But yeah, I understand your concern no hard feelings just trying my best not to spoil things.
Happy Gaming!"

I’m glad your comment went in the direction it did, but if you behave rudely then is an apology not in order?

Thanks for clearing that up a bit with the lesbian aspect. I’m still not sure cause Lilith seemed to be willing to groping other girls until people started bringing it up. Now you say it won’t happen anymore? I hope so, but Lilith being submissive to MC means nothing when she’s groping the daughter/s.

As I said, I like lesbian elements, I just feel they we’re introduced very haphazardly. No logic in it. But then again, I didn’t play it so, I’ll at least concede that here.

If I have a question or you do, let’s use DMs.

Have a nice day!

 

[Carmine Note Games]

I’m glad your comment went in the direction it did, but if you behave rudely then is an apology not in order?

Thanks for clearing that up a bit with the lesbian aspect. I’m still not sure cause Lilith seemed to be willing to groping other girls until people started bringing it up. Now you say it won’t happen anymore? I hope so, but Lilith being submissive to MC means nothing when she’s groping the daughter/s.

As I said, I like lesbian elements, I just feel they we’re introduced very haphazardly. No logic in it. But then again, I didn’t play it so, I’ll at least concede that here.

If I have a question or you do, let’s use DMs.

Have a nice day!

Lol yeah no worries your right sorry that was meant towards the people who are using their personal opinion to essentially bully me into making the game the way they want it. I don't respond to them cause it's an opinion. But like you said you actually asked a valid question. Feel free to Dm me im out doing some jobs right now. Happy gaming!

 

[Darknesssilent]

Wrong place wrong time don't take it personal. Anyway its just an extra option for people that still want a walkthrough but not have those options show up so they can still know whats happening or someone who doesnt want a walkthrough but also doesn't want game overs never hurts to give more accessibility options.


In regards to the "lesbian" stuff i wrote this to one of my subscribers so i'll leave it here.

"No problem it's just Lilith and Emilia that will go at it as they are both bi and in a triad relationship with MC(backstories will show up on how the three of them came to be). Lilith likes to tease especially her sister Melissa but that's all it will be. Unless I come up with something but it will be your choice to involve the other girls. You will decide either from their perspective or as the MC, as he isn't a controling figure they have their own agency thus the multiple protag. I'll give you an example Melissa is clearly a hardass who likes to be in control that could lead to femdom stuff but if the player doesn't like that she is willing to be submissive because she is jealous of the affection the MC gave Lilith more than her, leading to male dom content. If niether are your cup of tea their will also be a more vanilla loving path. They all have their kinks and they can be followed or not. You will also never be locked into a path take each event as they come the walkthrough will let you know whats going to happen you can think of it as role play what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom it doesn't spill over into the overall story if Melissa wants to be submissive in the bedroom that doesn't mean she will follow your every order in the world your still likely to butt heads. Overall I'll do my best to make things avoidable not just skipable. But yeah Lilith and Emilia are the only ones that are together. The rest will be your choice as the player not strictly the male MC.
So things that are set in stone:
Emilia, Lilith, MC in a previous relationship that took a pause while kids grew up, they continue that relationship now and both are submissive to MC.
Emilia is a switch submissive to MC Dominate to Lilith how she displays that is your choice.
Emilia and Lilith sexual scenes without MC will be skipable but still happens because of the previous stated relationship.
All main girls will have some level of loving relationship with MC cause its a harem but just like I let you choose weather you wanted to have the threesome or end the night sexual content can be avoided at times not just skipped.
No other male will be with your girls it is not an ntr game. The ntr warning is in regards to one game over screen in a later arch where one of the villains kidnaps a girl but nothing happens unless the wrong decision is made when trying to escape then he stops being a "gentleman" I will imply what happend without depiction or written out detail and tell you not to give up try again. That will be completely avoidable when implemented just like the other game overs for death or something like that. Just trying to build tension for those who want it, not jealousy.
But yeah, I understand your concern no hard feelings just trying my best not to spoil things.
Happy Gaming!"

And this reply is why i don't touch harem games anymore devs always have an excuse for lesbians shit in a harem game now a days. well another game going on ignore

 

[blackdragon111]

Wrong place wrong time don't take it personal. Anyway its just an extra option for people that still want a walkthrough but not have those options show up so they can still know whats happening or someone who doesnt want a walkthrough but also doesn't want game overs never hurts to give more accessibility options.


In regards to the "lesbian" stuff i wrote this to one of my subscribers so i'll leave it here.

"No problem it's just Lilith and Emilia that will go at it as they are both bi and in a triad relationship with MC(backstories will show up on how the three of them came to be). Lilith likes to tease especially her sister Melissa but that's all it will be. Unless I come up with something but it will be your choice to involve the other girls. You will decide either from their perspective or as the MC, as he isn't a controling figure they have their own agency thus the multiple protag. I'll give you an example Melissa is clearly a hardass who likes to be in control that could lead to femdom stuff but if the player doesn't like that she is willing to be submissive because she is jealous of the affection the MC gave Lilith more than her, leading to male dom content. If niether are your cup of tea their will also be a more vanilla loving path. They all have their kinks and they can be followed or not. You will also never be locked into a path take each event as they come the walkthrough will let you know whats going to happen you can think of it as role play what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom it doesn't spill over into the overall story if Melissa wants to be submissive in the bedroom that doesn't mean she will follow your every order in the world your still likely to butt heads. Overall I'll do my best to make things avoidable not just skipable. But yeah Lilith and Emilia are the only ones that are together. The rest will be your choice as the player not strictly the male MC.
So things that are set in stone:
Emilia, Lilith, MC in a previous relationship that took a pause while kids grew up, they continue that relationship now and both are submissive to MC.
Emilia is a switch submissive to MC Dominate to Lilith how she displays that is your choice.
Emilia and Lilith sexual scenes without MC will be skipable but still happens because of the previous stated relationship.
All main girls will have some level of loving relationship with MC cause its a harem but just like I let you choose weather you wanted to have the threesome or end the night sexual content can be avoided at times not just skipped.
No other male will be with your girls it is not an ntr game. The ntr warning is in regards to one game over screen in a later arch where one of the villains kidnaps a girl but nothing happens unless the wrong decision is made when trying to escape then he stops being a "gentleman" I will imply what happend without depiction or written out detail and tell you not to give up try again. That will be completely avoidable when implemented just like the other game overs for death or something like that. Just trying to build tension for those who want it, not jealousy.
But yeah, I understand your concern no hard feelings just trying my best not to spoil things.
Happy Gaming!"

Dev is good that you have a clear idea on what to do with your game and that the player is able to handdle how the characters will act under certain circumstances, I know in the end the preferences of everyone will make them drop the game but I am a fan of lesbian scenes in which the MC can take part of so keep it up. It's your game and you should enjoy the process of doing it and the results, even if some may disagree. But at least it seems that you also take on account the opinion of your supporters so good luck on your journey boi.

I wouldn't be against the idea of Lilith and Emilia working as facilitators for a more easy "family bonding time" with some of the other LI in a bottom/top bitch style (I hope I am using the correct term) but thats a personal taste (I like some girl on girl action and even more if you can participate)

I am looking forward for your ideas and history, sucks that my current economy won't allow me to support you but I will keep an eye on your game and damm I hate that this is just the start and there is no more content but I think it will be worth the wait.

 

[Woodstock_1983]

I was enjoying the game without the so called zombie attacks lol.

 

[Rockero_69]

As a prologue it's fine and the introduction of each character and a little bit of what each one is like, now the renders are fine, they could be better, only he time will say, that is if they don't abandon it and I hope not, because it has potential.

But as everything has its downsides and it is the inevitable carpet-eating sister, who wants to fuck all the girls, even more than the MC himself, and apparently he already does it to the wife of MC and when talking about his wife he is on the same wavelength as his sister, as far as wanting to fuck them all, or at least that is what is implied.

My top favorite characters so far are:
1. Red-haired daughter
2. Older daughter
3. The twins nice
4. Blonde sister
5. Sister-in-law
6. Blonde niece
7. Goth daughter
15. Wife and sister lesbian

Without further greetings Carmine Note Games

 

[Carmine Note Games]

Happy Holidays!

 

[Enigemm]

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I wish you the same.