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FilthyPOCK

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there is also MMD (MikuMikuDance) that looks similar and people use it for hentai music videos too mostly. feels like fujino is using something inbetween or both in different scenes or only one? but im not really sure. my question is why is no other dev using it like that, is it a lot more effort to do it like fujino? theres definitely a huge difference between these animations and your average adult koikatsu game and their models
does a lot of animations in Koikatsu, if you are interest
 

thememeguy123

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Yeah, I was specifically talking about KK though, which IS what Fujino uses, MMD's style is noticeably different, while it's improved over the years it's still 'old' enough that you can see why it's much harder to make accurate-looking models of anime characters in it. Fujino IS using KK, he's just using rare and high-effort 'scenes', which one CAN make but they require a lot of time and effort because you have to control most of the characters' movements in the Studio bit by bit to make them, not just the default animations the game has. Granted, while he has clearly put some effort, most of them are NOT by his hand, several scenes, as some previous shot show, are older ones that people uploads online, whether for free or behind paywall, Fujino is mostly using those and changing the characters for his SAO models (Which isn't exactly simple nor easy, though, as certain scenes are made for specific characters on purpose, changing them requires readjusting and such that needs quite a bit of effort to do, and that's before he has to insert them in the RPGMaker game and put their triggers and similar).
damn that is really interesting thanks for clarifying, but besides the effort put in in doing all the animations by hand the models also seem to differ, the dick for example looks different in some scenes and general animations too. so im guessing in short hes using both high effort stuff and the average koikatsu stuff
 

dasdadadada

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damn that is really interesting thanks for clarifying, but besides the effort put in in doing all the animations by hand the models also seem to differ, the dick for example looks different in some scenes and general animations too. so im guessing in short hes using both high effort stuff and the average koikatsu stuff
Because most of the bigger sex scenes arent made by him at all lol, he downloads them from other creators and swaps the characters then changes the lighting to match his style.
 

thememeguy123

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Because most of the bigger sex scenes arent made by him at all lol, he downloads them from other creators and swaps the characters then changes the lighting to match his style.
ye I can tell after checking out hongcha I've seen a couple animations that looked exactly the same as in the game. not that i care too much about it but its a good thing ive found more of it
 
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thememeguy123

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is this actually confirmed like with an example? that's a pretty damning accusation if it were true.
if you want examples I found a couple in hongcha's stuff. check #31 dick milking from fujinos other game, #74 first time in game, #87 ending I think it was a blog entry but you'll know if you played the game. and there is a lot more, could be that the entirety of scenes was based on hongcha's animations now that I go through them :KEK:

you'll probably need to download or find these online if you want to check. there is a hongcha thread on f95 though so you can get it there if you want
 
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AlterInfernalAllius

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Just a reminder, there is no 'crime' or 'appropriation' being committed here, before some people who don't know start thinking so: People share their KK scenes online for others to use, and especially if they're paid ones like Hongcha's it means Fujino even paid for them, so yeah, this is something almost everyone who makes videos/animations with KK models does.
 

thememeguy123

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Just a reminder, there is no 'crime' or 'appropriation' being committed here, before some people who don't know start thinking so: People share their KK scenes online for others to use, and especially if they're paid ones like Hongcha's it means Fujino even paid for them, so yeah, this is something almost everyone who makes videos/animations with KK models does.
ye I agree and I don't care either way, most likely majority of people know that already anyway
 
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albakr0ss

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Just a reminder, there is no 'crime' or 'appropriation' being committed here, before some people who don't know start thinking so: People share their KK scenes online for others to use, and especially if they're paid ones like Hongcha's it means Fujino even paid for them, so yeah, this is something almost everyone who makes videos/animations with KK models does.
Ooooohhh this is context I had no clue about. I'm glad you explained because without this I might've defaulted to thinking Fujino was a thief but hearing its fair use apparently is at least lets me give out a sigh of relief. Almost stopped giving to the patreon since I thought it was an issue.
 
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Ive been making animations for almost 2 years and hes used mine before in his game, not that I care lmao but I can name most of the creators he uses stuff from.
Would you mind source sharing on how you make your animations? Or is there a tutorial on it? I'm assuming Blender may be involved but I'm already sorta tinkering around with that. Just looking into alternatives if there's easier ways.
 

AlterInfernalAllius

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Ooooohhh this is context I had no clue about. I'm glad you explained because without this I might've defaulted to thinking Fujino was a thief but hearing its fair use apparently is at least lets me give out a sigh of relief. Almost stopped giving to the patreon since I thought it was an issue.
The 'issue' is the same grey area that technically is paying to anyone, be it Patreon or buying them off online sites, for games based off actual anime/game series XD Technically, EVERYONE who has a Patreon or similar where they have stuff for any anime characters is violating copyright, because they're getting money off using someone else's intellectual property, regardless if it's their art or not. With the advent of things like Koikatsu and more recently AI art this has only grown even further as people become more and more aware of the 'morally grey' status of these things which before when it was just actual art made by the people was easier to ignore.

Likewise, 'technically' Fujino IS 'stealing' in the loosest sense of the work because he's making a game using somebody else's scenes and getting paid for it, but it's the same kinda morally grey stuff nobody cares about. Those creators aren't gonna track you down and force you to pay them for using their scenes on your game/animation even if you're paywalling it for the same reason nobody thinks every Patreon of someone paywalling art of Naruto or Bleach should be reported to the creators for infringing in their copyright :3
 

pirohiro

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I always assumed that's what every Koikatsu creator did, buy scene data from hongcha / harada / yuukis and then change characters and fix camera to suit their needs. There are lots of people on pixiv earning bank on Patreon doing that, swapping chars with popular waifus from Genshin and other media and paywalling the animations. I respect Fujino for actually making an rpg instead of low effort spamming slideshows.
 
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