RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.45] [Fujino]

[Unknown_None]

Just tried both parts in Joiplay and the result is that Part 1 goes fine with the original and smooth with compressed version. Part 2 doesn't even start with the original one but runs smoothly with the latest version (v.32) compressed one.

 

[4-kun]

euh no. she was actually concerned about cheating on kirito that she even cried during that night, also later on in the prologue when she and kirito were sleeping in the bed together.
its just that she cant deny the pleasure she was feeling, but she is always feeling guilty for having slept with inoda and betraying kiritos trust. she always repeats that, im not sure how you can misinterpret that in other ways

I guess you didn't read carefully. I didn't say she has no morals at all, but that her main concern is herself being unable to avoid such a situation, not the act of cheating. The thing is, high morality doesn't align easily with NTR and needs much better writing to feel natural. High morality would mean NTR would never happen in that kind of story, as it's not blackmail, where she can keep her beliefs despite being forced into cheating. In this scenario, she willingly accepted most of Inoda's approaches, so how can it be high morality?

 

[darkbatVX]

I guess you didn't read carefully. I didn't say she has no morals at all, but that her main concern is herself being unable to avoid such a situation, not the act of cheating. The thing is, high morality doesn't align easily with NTR and needs much better writing to feel natural. High morality would mean NTR would never happen in that kind of story, as it's not blackmail, where she can keep her beliefs despite being forced into cheating. In this scenario, she willingly accepted most of Inoda's approaches, so how can it be high morality?

I think it's either your professional screenwriting standards demanding too much from Fujino, or it's the distortion in translation, or it's the difference between Eastern and Western cultures. I believe Fujino is at least trying hard to create a more self-disciplined and introspective image of Asuna than in half of the NTR works. Maybe he failed, maybe he didn't do it well enough, but the intention is very clear.
Personally, I acknowledge Fujino's portrayal of Asuna feeling regret and self-blame for betraying Kirito.

 

[darkbatVX]

I really hope that Fujino can include Yui in the game. If I could see a story where Yui calls Inoda 'Dad', I would feel very satisfied. Of course, to avoid being banned by Patreon, I think Fujino can give Yui a more mature body and make her an adult. (I know she's an AI, but I don't trust the intelligence and taste of those big company reviewers).

 

[4-kun]

I think it's either your professional screenwriting standards demanding too much from Fujino, or it's the distortion in translation, or it's the difference between Eastern and Western cultures. I believe Fujino is at least trying hard to create a more self-disciplined and introspective image of Asuna than in half of the NTR works. Maybe he failed, maybe he didn't do it well enough, but the intention is very clear.
Personally, I acknowledge Fujino's portrayal of Asuna feeling regret and self-blame for betraying Kirito.

I don't demand anything, just analyzing her portrayal. Fujino improved a lot compared to their previous games, there is no doubt about it. I also agree about self-discipline, like you said, but it's not the same as high moral standards. Let's face the facts, Asuna is a liar and engages in physical cheating on Kirito right from the start. Just because she talks or thinks that it's wrong doesn't make her a person who values morality, as she willingly does the opposite. As I said in some previous post, her character has cognitive dissonance; she is an unreliable partner who values her own selfishness and her exclusive caring nature way above her 'feelings' for Kirito. She didn't undergo any development in that regard; she was like that right from the beginning. That's how she has been written. Whether it was intentional or not, only Fujino knows ^^

 

[stupid_army]

I am actually quite curious. Guys, what kind of personality do you prefer for Asuna in NTR works? Do you prefer the type that quickly succumbs and becomes a communal bicycle? Or Fujino's Asuna, overwhelming sense of sympathy but has a relatively higher moral standard? Or other types?

I actually like Asuna personality and progression. Her traits really fit for hidden NTR genre. But since lewd talk skills exist in the game, i wish she getting more sluttier in the future. I really like the NTr meter on the game , so ihope Fujino more focused on writing with this game system.

One thing that i think will be unpopular take for me is:

I didn't like Alice and Shinon addition on the game. The more updates the more i feel they are just afterthought unnecesary filler that could take time for programming . I like the game has more focus on Asuna , Suguha, and Lisbeth/ Rika.

 

[Jeycii_]

I don't demand anything, just analyzing her portrayal. Fujino improved a lot compared to their previous games, there is no doubt about it. I also agree about self-discipline, like you said, but it's not the same as high moral standards. Let's face the facts, Asuna is a liar and engages in physical cheating on Kirito right from the start. Just because she talks or thinks that it's wrong doesn't make her a person who values morality, as she willingly does the opposite. As I said in some previous post, her character has cognitive dissonance; she is an unreliable partner who values her own selfishness and her exclusive caring nature way above her 'feelings' for Kirito. She didn't undergo any development in that regard; she was like that right from the beginning. That's how she has been written. Whether it was intentional or not, only Fujino knows ^^

Mhh. From a gameplayenjoyment point of view im still not fully convinced about Asuna not having a high moral standard and her not valuing Kirito. Yes I agree that she is doing physical cheating on kirito but that only happened after a "long" time of influencing moral values and emotional blackmailing.
Im not a fan of SAO but from what I remember is that Asuna is a sheltered child with certain values and imaginations for things like relationships while staying true to your own values.
(i cant believe im actually discussing this kind of thing, i should just enjoy my asuna ntr lol)
Her trying to stay loyal to kirito and also her trying to stay true to her values and sense or morality are always in conflict. This conflict needs to stay in balance in engaging the player and not annoying him.
For a porn game Fujino sensei did well balancing this imo. If he made asunas moral values even higher it would just become annoying for the player. I think thats the extend Inoda could go with emotional blackmailing and using the victim card. if inoda had to go any further he would have had to resort to blackmailing her and that would bring inoda into a different path.
and i believe the path fujino sensei is following, allows for Asuna to stay on her "values and moral standards" of helping a friend in need.
i would definitely enjoy a path where inoda blackmails asuna until she gets addicted to his... skills but i believe that s*x addiction would break her too fast like that.
i prefer the slow burn by inoda making/failing plans to corrupt her by emotional blackmailing. this route keeps asunas personality for a longer time (her trying to be a good helping person by her values)

 

[Jeycii_]

I actually like Asuna personality and progression. Her traits really fit for hidden NTR genre. But since lewd talk skills exist in the game, i wish she getting more sluttier in the future. I really like the NTr meter on the game , so ihope Fujino more focused on writing with this game system.

One thing that i think will be unpopular take for me is:

I didn't like Alice and Shinon addition on the game. The more updates the more i feel they are just afterthought unnecesary filler that could take time for programming . I like the game has more focus on Asuna , Suguha, and Lisbeth/ Rika.

i think on paper the shinon and alice routes and corruptions would look wonderful and me myself would def enjoy seeing everything coming together at some point. but right now i would also much prefer see Asunas and Inodas progression.
it would be a different story if fujino sensei was a 20men army, able to work on different girls at the same time, but unfortunately he is only one man amd have to decide where to put his prios

 

[dekotora]

I played and it stuck here. Can I ask for a way to fix it?

 

[albakr0ss]

I don't demand anything, just analyzing her portrayal. Fujino improved a lot compared to their previous games, there is no doubt about it. I also agree about self-discipline, like you said, but it's not the same as high moral standards. Let's face the facts, Asuna is a liar and engages in physical cheating on Kirito right from the start. Just because she talks or thinks that it's wrong doesn't make her a person who values morality, as she willingly does the opposite. As I said in some previous post, her character has cognitive dissonance; she is an unreliable partner who values her own selfishness and her exclusive caring nature way above her 'feelings' for Kirito. She didn't undergo any development in that regard; she was like that right from the beginning. That's how she has been written. Whether it was intentional or not, only Fujino knows ^^

I think the high moral standard comes from the feeling that “helping someone out” (even more so someone way beneath her) just supersedes any feeling of being a “good partner” to Kirito. Since if he doesn’t know and it doesn’t “take” away anything from him then she isn’t doing him any wrong. Other than the stormy night(s) she’s been able to justify all that’s happened thus far with her admittedly wild lapses of “it’s helping him/it can’t be helped”. Now that in current, she’s even gone so far as to recognize and admit “whatever happens online is separate” which again gives her an excuse “I’m just helping him”/“this isn’t real”

 

[albakr0ss]

i think on paper the shinon and alice routes and corruptions would look wonderful and me myself would def enjoy seeing everything coming together at some point. but right now i would also much prefer see Asunas and Inodas progression.
it would be a different story if fujino sensei was a 20men army, able to work on different girls at the same time, but unfortunately he is only one man amd have to decide where to put his prios

Yeah I think in general. The side routes are great on paper and once the whole game is finished will give the game more depth and overall a better feel. It legitimately just doesnt work when the game is done on an update by update progress kind of environment since progress here is seen as progress taken away from the main focus which majority of players are looking for. Look what happened in the update after the change, we literally speed ran progress and went from “harassment” in game to full on sex and even in front of the lover thing. This is literally going be seen as an abrupt tone shift once people who only play at the end ar going to realize and question.

 

[Jeycii_]

Yeah I think in general. The side routes are great on paper and once the whole game is finished will give the game more depth and overall a better feel. It legitimately just doesnt work when the game is done on an update by update progress kind of environment since progress here is seen as progress taken away from the main focus which majority of players are looking for. Look what happened in the update after the change, we literally speed ran progress and went from “harassment” in game to full on sex and even in front of the lover thing. This is literally going be seen as an abrupt tone shift once people who only play at the end ar going to realize and question.

i was also surprised on how fast this happened. i totally wasnt expecting this but i have to admit this scene was so sexy in the treehouse that i totally forgive this change of pace. to be honest i wouldnt want to wait for a whole year to see this happen. sooo... i cant say i hate this. tbf its still "only" in the virutal world, so there is a lot of space for virtual world interactions corruptions until the real life corruptions finds its final, then there will still be a full corruption where asuna complely forgets about kirito and cant live without inoda anymore
then there are stil the other girls...
so even with the change of pace, the progress was still in acceptable time frames and still leaves us with a lot of content opportunities

 

[Hentai_Desu-ka?]

I am actually quite curious. Guys, what kind of personality do you prefer for Asuna in NTR works? Do you prefer the type that quickly succumbs and becomes a communal bicycle? Or Fujino's Asuna, overwhelming sense of sympathy but has a relatively higher moral standard? Or other types?

My ideal version of Asuna is one that at least portrays as closely as possible to the cannon Asuna. The cannon Asuna would require a slow gradual corruption rate through blackmail & coercion to successfully pull off and break. Like, the Asuna that Fujino portrays here is a pretty close second to what my preference is for Asuna to act. The only thing lacking is a slightly stronger will not wanting to break or be corrupted. The cannon Asuna wouldn't have been so easily duped into "helping" Inoda when his arm was injured for example, at least not to the point of tolerating his advances as if that's all it'd take was to manipulate her with guilt or making her feel bad for not accepting his advances. In fact, the cannon Asuna would feel more repulsed by Inoda making advances on her so fast and would've outright threatened him that if he tried something again she wouldn't hesitate to either cut him off completely or she'd tell Kirito what was going on.

That's generally the type of Asuna I would prefer being portrayed. Fujino's version of Asuna is pretty close, but his version just lacks a certain character in her Strength of Will to cave into an easily manipulated mess just because Inoda makes her feel bad for rejecting him. And she certainly wouldn't have gone after Inoda just because she felt that he was getting it on with the "Wrong Type" of girlfriend allowing herself to be the replacement stand-in GF that he wants "until he can find a girl 'like' her".

 

[Jeycii_]

View attachment 3446010 View attachment 3446010 I played and it stuck here. Can I ask for a way to fix it?

i usually just reload when stuck, try to skip the dialogue at that part with w button, it will help prolly

 

[Jeycii_]

My ideal version of Asuna is one that at least portrays as closely as possible to the cannon Asuna. The cannon Asuna would require a slow gradual corruption rate through blackmail & coercion to successfully pull off and break. Like, the Asuna that Fujino portrays here is a pretty close second to what my preference is for Asuna to act. The only thing lacking is a slightly stronger will not wanting to break or be corrupted. The cannon Asuna wouldn't have been so easily duped into "helping" Inoda when his arm was injured for example, at least not to the point of tolerating his advances as if that's all it'd take was to manipulate her with guilt or making her feel bad for not accepting his advances. In fact, the cannon Asuna would feel more repulsed by Inoda making advances on her so fast and would've outright threatened him that if he tried something again she wouldn't hesitate to either cut him off completely or she'd tell Kirito what was going on.

That's generally the type of Asuna I would prefer being portrayed. Fujino's version of Asuna is pretty close, but his version just lacks a certain character in her Strength of Will to cave into an easily manipulated mess just because Inoda makes her feel bad for rejecting him. And she certainly wouldn't have gone after Inoda just because she felt that he was getting it on with the "Wrong Type" of girlfriend allowing herself to be the replacement stand-in GF that he wants "until he can find a girl 'like' her".

yea i also like the version of fujino sensei. as i mentioned before i believe an even stronger willed asuna would have led for inoda to blackmail her somehow and that would firstly take away "friend-help-friend-victim" relationship they are having
and 2ndly inoda is the kind of character who would totally f*ck her to oblivion if he had the power to blackmail her to the extent to demand sex out of her.. which would make this game a "just fuk her brains out until she falls" plot which would def be appealing but not as entertaining (for me at least)
so imo the asuna in this game is perfectly balanched as she is. furthermore because she is under a lot of emotional pressure and disarray from the other things like her mother, having to switching school, taking care of inoda and kirito.. in the end asuna is just a girl and will need emotional support from ppl to get by at some point which she obiously dont get here lol.
doesnt matter how strong willed you are, if your core gets shaken you will eventually trip

 

[4-kun]

I think the high moral standard comes from the feeling that “helping someone out” (even more so someone way beneath her) just supersedes any feeling of being a “good partner” to Kirito. Since if he doesn’t know and it doesn’t “take” away anything from him then she isn’t doing him any wrong. Other than the stormy night(s) she’s been able to justify all that’s happened thus far with her admittedly wild lapses of “it’s helping him/it can’t be helped”. Now that in current, she’s even gone so far as to recognize and admit “whatever happens online is separate” which again gives her an excuse “I’m just helping him”/“this isn’t real”

Yeah, that's the thing. She, as a character, might lie, excuse, and justify everything and think of herself as a person with high moral values, but from the player's perspective, it doesn't change the fact that she is not. It's easy to prove, even without the rainy night "accident". Who would consider their girlfriend showing her titts, jerking off, etc. to a random guy a morally unquestionable act? That's what I'm saying; her character is not written as a pure maiden but as someone who thinks she is ^^

 

[Jeycii_]

Yeah, that's the thing. She, as a character, might lie, excuse, and justify everything and think of herself as a person with high moral values, but from the player's perspective, it doesn't change the fact that she is not. It's easy to prove, even without the rainy night "accident". Who would consider their girlfriend showing her titts, jerking off, etc. to a random guy a morally unquestionable act? That's what I'm saying; her character is not written as a pure maiden but as someone who thinks she is ^^

mhh, this is a tricky topic actually. everyone would like to....

SAO Online NTR is love, lets enjoy our break until fujino senpai feels better. me myself cant for the aftermaths after that hot tree house scene..
i also liked that inoda finally conquered asunas mom in the background (unlocked in collection room at end of update)

milfs are hot, milfs are live

 

[Hentai_Desu-ka?]

yea i also like the version of fujino sensei. as i mentioned before i believe an even stronger willed asuna would have led for inoda to blackmail her somehow and that would firstly take away "friend-help-friend-victim" relationship they are having
and 2ndly inoda is the kind of character who would totally f*ck her to oblivion if he had the power to blackmail her to the extent to demand sex out of her.. which would make this game a "just fuk her brains out until she falls" plot which would def be appealing but not as entertaining (for me at least)
so imo the asuna in this game is perfectly balanched as she is. furthermore because she is under a lot of emotional pressure and disarray from the other things like her mother, having to switching school, taking care of inoda and kirito.. in the end asuna is just a girl and will need emotional support from ppl to get by at some point which she obiously dont get here lol.
doesnt matter how strong willed you are, if your core gets shaken you will eventually trip

I'll be honest about another character though who plays a big part in Asuna's development with Inoda which kinda bothers me. It's Liz, her role in this entire thing is entirely out of character that she's used primarily for nothing more than to advance the Asuna NTR corruption plot. Liz was never this shady manipulative type, but this I can overlook because of course the focus is on Asuna, it just kinda bothers me because Liz's motives in this situation with her involvement is lacking motive for the player to understand.

It makes no sense for why Liz is helping Inoda to steal Asuna from Kirito. I've at least yet to read some dialog from her perspective that the only reason she's doing so it to try and steal Kirito from Asuna but if there was, I must've missed it. Otherwise it would at least make sense for Liz's character in this game to be so out of character for no apparently blatant reason. It's the same deal situation with Kirito's sister, so completely out of character but at least within a cannon understanding since Suguha also loves Kirito, it's just weird how quick she was to jump to Hebishima just because Kirito is a clueless dense nitwit when it comes to realizing that she loves him more than just an adopted sibling.

 

[Jeycii_]

I'll be honest about another character though who plays a big part in Asuna's development with Inoda which kinda bothers me. It's Liz, her role in this entire thing is entirely out of character that she's used primarily for nothing more than to advance the Asuna NTR corruption plot. Liz was never this shady manipulative type, but this I can overlook because of course the focus is on Asuna, it just kinda bothers me because Liz's motives in this situation with her involvement is lacking motive for the player to understand.

It makes no sense for why Liz is helping Inoda to steal Asuna from Kirito. I've at least yet to read some dialog from her perspective that the only reason she's doing so it to try and steal Kirito from Asuna but if there was, I must've missed it. Otherwise it would at least make sense for Liz's character in this game to be so out of character for no apparently blatant reason. It's the same deal situation with Kirito's sister, so completely out of character but at least within a cannon understanding since Suguha also loves Kirito, it's just weird how quick she was to jump to Hebishima just because Kirito is a clueless dense nitwit when it comes to realizing that she loves him more than just an adopted sibling.

When they are in the tent Liz and Inoda are actually talking about this, that Liz helps him with asuna so she can have kirito to herself.
i also believe that kirito constantly repeating how he doesnt see her as a girl rather as a guy, raises her determination to make him hers because she understands that she would never win his heart by fair rules.
i dont know liz character so i dont actually care how much different she is from the actual plot. but i can def believe that a smith woman tends to have.. extreme kind of means to... achieve their goals.. like.. men.. yea.. xd

i dont care for kiritos sister plot (i also hate blond, dark skinned ntr guys)
but he drugged and then blackmailed her over the weeks/months they have been ingame. so by no means was this a "fast" fall or corruption. this would have happened just as fast with asuna if she was being drugged and blackmailed to do lewd things.
thats why i prefer inodas slow burn route. this gives us more "plot" to see, also to look at his stupid attempts lol

 

[4-kun]

My ideal version of Asuna is one that at least portrays as closely as possible to the cannon Asuna. The cannon Asuna would require a slow gradual corruption rate through blackmail & coercion to successfully pull off and break. Like, the Asuna that Fujino portrays here is a pretty close second to what my preference is for Asuna to act. The only thing lacking is a slightly stronger will not wanting to break or be corrupted. The cannon Asuna wouldn't have been so easily duped into "helping" Inoda when his arm was injured for example, at least not to the point of tolerating his advances as if that's all it'd take was to manipulate her with guilt or making her feel bad for not accepting his advances. In fact, the cannon Asuna would feel more repulsed by Inoda making advances on her so fast and would've outright threatened him that if he tried something again she wouldn't hesitate to either cut him off completely or she'd tell Kirito what was going on.

That's generally the type of Asuna I would prefer being portrayed. Fujino's version of Asuna is pretty close, but his version just lacks a certain character in her Strength of Will to cave into an easily manipulated mess just because Inoda makes her feel bad for rejecting him. And she certainly wouldn't have gone after Inoda just because she felt that he was getting it on with the "Wrong Type" of girlfriend allowing herself to be the replacement stand-in GF that he wants "until he can find a girl 'like' her".

The problem is that well-known franchises and slow-burn NTR don't work well together because whatever you come up with won't feel believable. You basically need to break the characters' personalities to make it work. While fast-paced works okay because nobody cares about story and believability there. ^^