RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.551] [Fujino]

[Kiri-Be]

Same reason every story sucks these days. No incentive to change. After countless works creators know what their audience like. While a few people will complain about hearing the same story and tropes, the majority of people will enjoy the familiar. So why take the risk of making something new people won't like but instead make the same story people will like?

If I could decide the stories for NTR games then I would cut out like 90% text from all of them. I just want to get to the sex/NTR scenes and do not care about any of the "slice of life" or gameplay build up. Simply establish the relationship between the characters and how the loser MC loves the girl that is NTR'ed and that's more than enough for me. People who rather spent time with unrelated gameplay or story fluff instead of wanting to jerk to the NTR is not something I understand.

 

[arone tajhiri]

oh, so I guess I can't save in any file except file 5, which is an auto save, because of the same reason. I start a new game like you said but some of the scenes in the recollection room was locked. Is there any way to quickly gain anxiety to unlock them?

after completing the update clicking on the bird near the black orb in the replay room unlocks all scenes

 

[arone tajhiri]

Does anyone have Saikey translation of part 2?

 

[4-kun]

If I could decide the stories for NTR games then I would cut out like 90% text from all of them. I just want to get to the sex/NTR scenes and do not care about any of the "slice of life" or gameplay build up. Simply establish the relationship between the characters and how the loser MC loves the girl that is NTR'ed and that's more than enough for me. People who rather spent time with unrelated gameplay or story fluff instead of wanting to jerk to the NTR is not something I understand.

Well, to each their own, but a game is meant to be played, or in the case of a VN, to be read Otherwise, you're probably better off watching ntr movies.

 

[kinglionheart]

If I could decide the stories for NTR games then I would cut out like 90% text from all of them. I just want to get to the sex/NTR scenes and do not care about any of the "slice of life" or gameplay build up. Simply establish the relationship between the characters and how the loser MC loves the girl that is NTR'ed and that's more than enough for me. People who rather spent time with unrelated gameplay or story fluff instead of wanting to jerk to the NTR is not something I understand.

Just read doujinshi if you want a quick flap.

 

[arone tajhiri]

It does not exist so no.

rechecked it exists but still isn't up for sale
my mistake

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[ziberx33]

Will there be an update today?

 

[4-kun]

Will there be an update today?

No, but on monday

 

[Kiri-Be]

Well, to each their own, but a game is meant to be played, or in the case of a VN, to be read Otherwise, you're probably better off watching ntr movies.

I rather take a VN with 10% of the text which is high quality and actually fits with the theme over a VN with 90% more content that ends up being just boring and useless drivel most of the time. Something being long doesn't mean it is good and I feel more Indie creators need to learn this. They just fill their games with pages upon pages of text and busy work just to make it long instead of good.

 

[Vixkravyn]

I rather take a VN with 10% of the text which is high quality and actually fits with the theme over a VN with 90% more content that ends up being just boring and useless drivel most of the time. Something being long doesn't mean it is good and I feel more Indie creators need to learn this. They just fill their games with pages upon pages of text and busy work just to make it long instead of good.

I think most people would prefer a high quality game in general, just the longer a game generally is the harder it is to keep the audience captivated.
Also your mood going into a game is a huge variable. I don't think many people wanting to knock one off quickly would appreciate a slow VN at that precise moment in time.

 

[NTR Apologist]

I rather take a VN with 10% of the text which is high quality and actually fits with the theme over a VN with 90% more content that ends up being just boring and useless drivel most of the time. Something being long doesn't mean it is good and I feel more Indie creators need to learn this. They just fill their games with pages upon pages of text and busy work just to make it long instead of good.

Most indie devs, like 4-kun said, aren't primarily writers. Most don't know when to take stuff out of a script as it's a passion project for many so there's a lot of bias in what they add and take out (if they ever do). A lot of the time, they tend to inflate their story with mundane and uninteresting details. But in their eyes, they're writing down something they believe is important. Many devs tunnel vision and lose sight of what they originally wrote or planned out for their story.

 

[avervon]

Most indie devs, like 4-kun said, aren't primarily writers. Most don't know when to take stuff out of a script as it's a passion project for many so there's a lot of bias in what they add and take out (if they ever do). A lot of the time, they tend to inflate their story with mundane and uninteresting details. But in their eyes, they're writing down something they believe is important. Many devs tunnel vision and lose sight of what they originally wrote or planned out for their story.

This is true way more often than not. A lot of the time people write down *every* aspect of a possible sequence of events thinking it is all necessary; I had that problem with my writing until a mentor of mine asked me to write a scene totaling 90 lines of dialogue using a maximum of 30 lines of dialogue, and I was surprised that I could condense it to 1/3 of the original size. It's eye-opening how much people inflate their stories.

 

[ScoobyChris71]

Totally unrelated tangent here,
But, I'm stuck at the game at state of "wandering around town". I can't trigger any event other than going into the cloth store and triggering a bugged scene of Kirito getting a `Cheap suit` from Lisa (repeat of a previous scene).
Any help here?

 

[Kyotheman1001]

If I could decide the stories for NTR games then I would cut out like 90% text from all of them. I just want to get to the sex/NTR scenes and do not care about any of the "slice of life" or gameplay build up. Simply establish the relationship between the characters and how the loser MC loves the girl that is NTR'ed and that's more than enough for me. People who rather spent time with unrelated gameplay or story fluff instead of wanting to jerk to the NTR is not something I understand.

well in the end it is porn, most just want to see the scenes more then reading blocks of text

 

[Kyotheman1001]

Can confirm this, having an insane "PC" to play the RPG Maker+KK game seems to be the 'solution', LMAO, never have had an issue running it on my GPD Win 4 XD

basically games are poorly optimized that's issue, Triple A games are doing same thing they rush games out without truly testing them look at Star wars Outlaw how was that game even released? We are beta testers for games now, glad there is community like this i don't have pay for these Porn games more than 85% aren't worth download

 

[Kyotheman1001]

On Topic about the game, i know people already talked about it in previous 700 pages, I'm confused creator is not liking story how unfolding? Is this true this confuses me way more, story telling far far better what happen in part one. Maybe he doesn't like how its turning out, maybe wanted do something different you can always do side games after wards, just add different path choices later, or new game+ feature

think issue have with part two is how slow the story is progressing because what happen in Part 1 it was rushed very quickly, it being reset turn people off, or confused them, i was confused we going almost square one, why bother making part 1 then? Think he should of waited to do it on new engine, if part 2 was part one id wouldn't have much issues, everything in this part has been really dam good, blows the first game out of water comes to story and visuals, combat far better in part 2. I like music more too even though they are assets but used far better in this version.

 

[avervon]

If I could decide the stories for NTR games then I would cut out like 90% text from all of them. I just want to get to the sex/NTR scenes and do not care about any of the "slice of life" or gameplay build up. Simply establish the relationship between the characters and how the loser MC loves the girl that is NTR'ed and that's more than enough for me. People who rather spent time with unrelated gameplay or story fluff instead of wanting to jerk to the NTR is not something I understand.

NTR is a delicate balance of "The audience needs to sympathize with the cuck for the NTR to hold any value, otherwise it's just two characters fucking while some guy just exists", and "Please don't blue ball the audience trying to get to the actual sex by creating an entire LOTR universe for your characters to exist in before anything happens."

I think when NTR stories attempt to skip the slice of life/gameplay build up they usually lack any sense of substance and end up doing the bare minimum instead, because they cut *too* much out from the text.

NTR games, especially on the JP side, have a habit of rushing too fast into the sex that it doesn't feel memorable. And yeah, it's porn at the end of the day, but there is such a thing as "poorly-crafted porn" and "well-crafted porn". They're stories, just like anything else.

Fujino gets around this by incorporating the NTR into the mundane slice of life build up sections (sometimes). Random events with other NPCs getting NTRed, encountering characters in public while hinting at the NTR going on in the background, etc, which is a good method of telling the story he wants to make.

 

[NTR Apologist]

On Topic about the game, i know people already talked about it in previous 700 pages, I'm confused creator is not liking story how unfolding? Is this true this confuses me way more, story telling far far better what happen in part one. Maybe he doesn't like how its turning out, maybe wanted do something different you can always do side games after wards, just add different path choices later, or new game+ feature

As far as I'm aware, Fujino has never said that he doesn't like how the story is unfolding. I think you're referring to the update he did beginning of last week where he said that after being away from his computer, he has had some time to think about the main plots and the end of the game.

So not really a statement of him not liking his story. I interpret this more so as either; him struggling to connect the plots to the ending(s) he had in mind, or him trying to write conclusions to each story arc of the characters and how it'll affect the ending he hadn't written yet.

 

[NTR Apologist]

If I could decide the stories for NTR games then I would cut out like 90% text from all of them. I just want to get to the sex/NTR scenes and do not care about any of the "slice of life" or gameplay build up. Simply establish the relationship between the characters and how the loser MC loves the girl that is NTR'ed and that's more than enough for me. People who rather spent time with unrelated gameplay or story fluff instead of wanting to jerk to the NTR is not something I understand.

I think when NTR stories attempt to skip the slice of life/gameplay build up they usually lack any sense of substance and end up doing the bare minimum instead, because they cut *too* much out from the text.

NTR games, especially on the JP side, have a habit of rushing too fast into the sex that it doesn't feel memorable. And yeah, it's porn at the end of the day, but there is such a thing as "poorly-crafted porn" and "well-crafted porn". They're stories, just like anything else.

I agree with that notion. I feel that there needs to be a build-up to the infidelity and it needs to create the relationship of the main characters with the bull and how this dynamic will end up harming the MC's relationship, or else you're just left with something bland, vapid, and unimaginative and the sex scenes won't hit as hard as they should cause you don't feel anything for the characters in the story.

I understand when others say, "It's just porn; get your nut off and move on." But some want a story to go with their porn. Investing in something makes it more satisfying when you nut IMO. If you're just gonna play these VNs and RPGM games for the visuals alone, then go to Hitomi. They upload almost everything that's been released under the sun.

 

[4-kun]

I agree with that notion. I feel that there needs to be a build-up to the infidelity and it needs to create the relationship of the main characters with the bull and how this dynamic will end up harming the MC's relationship, or else you're just left with something bland, vapid, and unimaginative and the sex scenes won't hit as hard as they should cause you don't feel anything for the characters in the story.

I understand when others say, "It's just porn; get your nut off and move on." But some want a story to go with their porn. Investing in something makes it more satisfying when you nut IMO. If you're just gonna play these VNs and RPGM games for the visuals alone, then go to Hitomi. They upload almost everything that's been released under the sun.

Yeah, that's why there are porn games—because someone thought at some point that just reading or watching wasn't enough. The next thing will probably be AR or VR. To live out your inner bull or cuck