RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.551] [Fujino]

[avervon]

I agree with that notion. I feel that there needs to be a build-up to the infidelity and it needs to create the relationship of the main characters with the bull and how this dynamic will end up harming the MC's relationship, or else you're just left with something bland, vapid, and unimaginative and the sex scenes won't hit as hard as they should cause you don't feel anything for the characters in the story.

I understand when others say, "It's just porn; get your nut off and move on." But some want a story to go with their porn. Investing in something makes it more satisfying when you nut IMO. If you're just gonna play these VNs and RPGM games for the visuals alone, then go to Hitomi. They upload almost everything that's been released under the sun.

I think a good analogy to use in this scenario is the story of a rom-com when compared to the story of NTR.

The end goal of a rom-com is to see the protagonist develop their relationship with a character and eventually become a couple.

A big problem with rom-coms in anime is that they can't find a good sweet spot between reaching the end goal and developing their relationship in a meaningful way, the latter of which leads to dragging out the story by padding it with needless content.

If you drag out the story without a resolution, your audience gets bored when Misunderstanding #59 happens on the last episode (a.k.a. nearly every single anime rom-com in the 2010s).

But if you reach the end goal too quickly you get what happened with Horimiya, where audience retention suddenly drops towards the end because the main point of the anime -- the main protagonists getting together -- reaches its conclusion halfway through the season. Why would people care about anything else? The climax happened 6 episodes ago, the rest is just filler.

The Tomo-chan Is a Girl anime did a good job of balancing out this dynamic; the main couple gets together somewhere towards the end of the anime, but also doesn't end the series on the confession. The majority of the anime is setting up their eventual relationship, but not only does it actually provide a resolution to the build up, it also shows them *being* a couple for a few episodes afterwards, which is important.

NTR that fails to reach its end goal in a meaningful way becomes boring and stale. NTR that reaches the end goal too quickly becomes unmemorable.

 

[noobpilot]

Gallery mod for part 2 (501) randomly stops respond if choose view full scene...
It is possible to do something with that?

 

[bakuoboom]

NTR is a delicate balance of "The audience needs to sympathize with the cuck for the NTR to hold any value, otherwise it's just two characters fucking while some guy just exists", and "Please don't blue ball the audience trying to get to the actual sex by creating an entire LOTR universe for your characters to exist in before anything happens."

I think when NTR stories attempt to skip the slice of life/gameplay build up they usually lack any sense of substance and end up doing the bare minimum instead, because they cut *too* much out from the text.

NTR games, especially on the JP side, have a habit of rushing too fast into the sex that it doesn't feel memorable. And yeah, it's porn at the end of the day, but there is such a thing as "poorly-crafted porn" and "well-crafted porn". They're stories, just like anything else.

Fujino gets around this by incorporating the NTR into the mundane slice of life build up sections (sometimes). Random events with other NPCs getting NTRed, encountering characters in public while hinting at the NTR going on in the background, etc, which is a good method of telling the story he wants to make.

Yeah, I really agree that his way of storytelling is interesting. But the character's logic of MC and Heroine and some others made my logic sense hurt(in a bad way) That's why I said earlier that I respect his effort and love the art/animation but I can't enjoy the overall game.
But I love how you guys discuss it. It made me feel a bit better that people that has logical sense are still here and understand that VN is not just a quick-fap but also needs work on other aspects too. If I only cared about art then honestly I wouldn't play VN based games.

 

[gaka200]

Yeah, I really agree that his way of storytelling is interesting. But the character's logic of MC and Heroine and some others made my logic sense hurt(in a bad way) That's why I said earlier that I respect his effort and love the art/animation but I can't enjoy the overall game.
But I love how you guys discuss it. It made me feel a bit better that people that has logical sense are still here and understand that VN is not just a quick-fap but also needs work on other aspects too. If I only cared about art then honestly I wouldn't play VN based games.

The easy explanation is just that NTR logic is never really going to make any sense whatsoever. Or well it could, but there's a unique restriction applied and that restriction is that this one in particular is an SAO parody. Cause it's logical for someone to get stolen, if the person that ends up falling/cheating isn't that faithful/loyal to begin with. But Kirito and Asuna due to their past history should have a dramatically strong bond and Asuna is also capable of understanding boundaries, so the idea of a "logical" progression of events that is faithful to the MC and Heroine is pretty much impossible. Being faithful to their characters would mean NTR would never happen at all.

When you mention that you find Fujino's storytelling is interesting, I'd like to believe that is you acknowledging that the story is "decently logical", since it can't be interesting if it doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[avervon]

The easy explanation is just that NTR logic is never really going to make any sense whatsoever. Or well it could, but there's a unique restriction applied and that restriction is that this one in particular is an SAO parody. Cause it's logical for someone to get stolen, if the person that ends up falling/cheating isn't that faithful/loyal to begin with. But Kirito and Asuna due to their past history should have a dramatically strong bond and Asuna is also capable of understanding boundaries, so the idea of a "logical" progression of events that is faithful to the MC and Heroine is pretty much impossible. Being faithful to their characters would mean NTR would never happen at all.

When you mention that you find Fujino's storytelling interesting, I'd like to believe that is you acknowledging that the story is "decently logical", since it can't be interesting if it doesn't make any sense at all.

There was one NTR doujin I found particularly interesting in which a woman got "cucked" by the new neighbor next to them. It started out as an NTR, but progressed into a story in which the reader rooted for the heroine to get stolen away from her boyfriend. This was because throughout the story, it is revealed that the boyfriend is a terrible person who talked behind her back and degraded her to his friends, while the bull was an incredibly sweet person who cared for the woman. In this sense, the NTR becomes justified and transitions into a case of loyalty being punished and infidelity being rewarded.

This SAO parody is great in that there is a lot of potential that Fujino has set up because of how meticulous the build up has been. Now can SAO pull off a similar scenario as unique as what I've outlined above? Probably not. Inoda has already been portrayed as an irredeemable antagonist, and any attempt to portray him in a positive light in a vacuum would be going against the narrative Fujino has been writing. In addition, Kirito wouldn't be the type to cheat on Asuna, at least canonically.

With how Fujino has been pushing the dual "corruption" of Kirito between both Liz and Suguha, I'd be interested in knowing if people would begin to justify Asuna cheating with a more caring Inoda if Kirito indulged in other women of his own volition, or if that would ruin the NTR fantasy that's been happening up to this point.

 

[Kiri-Be]

NTR is a delicate balance of "The audience needs to sympathize with the cuck for the NTR to hold any value, otherwise it's just two characters fucking while some guy just exists", and "Please don't blue ball the audience trying to get to the actual sex by creating an entire LOTR universe for your characters to exist in before anything happens."

I think when NTR stories attempt to skip the slice of life/gameplay build up they usually lack any sense of substance and end up doing the bare minimum instead, because they cut *too* much out from the text.

NTR games, especially on the JP side, have a habit of rushing too fast into the sex that it doesn't feel memorable. And yeah, it's porn at the end of the day, but there is such a thing as "poorly-crafted porn" and "well-crafted porn". They're stories, just like anything else.

Fujino gets around this by incorporating the NTR into the mundane slice of life build up sections (sometimes). Random events with other NPCs getting NTRed, encountering characters in public while hinting at the NTR going on in the background, etc, which is a good method of telling the story he wants to make.

You make some good points, but I simply feel that it doesn't work out for me most of the time if the games take too long or add too much details. Some of that probably stems from the fact that I do not need any kind of build up or details to sympathize with the cuck, since the fundamental situation of something he loves being stolen/lost/unattainable from him is a very strong emotional factor in itself for me, even in a complete vacuum of information. Besides that I am probably a lot more into the humiliation aspect of NTR than most people so feeling bad for the cuck is quite the opposite of what the NTR evokes in me, or what I want out of it in the first place.

And in a more meta kind of sense I am simply too burned out or distrustful of NTR stories to really want to put a lot of time into reading about the buildup without knowing how it will end. Too many NTR stories (even "Heavy" ones) have switched gear mid development or mid story and railroaded the game into either a "Good" end, or something that diminishes the NTR that has happened over the course of the game. I simply cannot find it in me to give most games the benefit of the doubt anymore. Therefore I prefer short and to the point NTR games where the stuff I read NTR for actually happens.

I am completely aware that this is a very personal issue to have and most people won't ever take this into consideration when talking about these games since they do not feel the same way about it.

I find it to be a very NTR specific set of issues that I rarely encounter in other kinks.

 

[13Gatsu777]

Gallery mod for part 2 (501) randomly stops respond if choose view full scene...
It is possible to do something with that?

It may have to do with processing the Gif, which one you do use the most for it to happen? Do you quickly go through each gif or not? I do have some lag when i do the testing but randomly stops responding that's new

 

[NTR Apologist]

With how Fujino has been pushing the dual "corruption" of Kirito between both Liz and Suguha, I'd be interested in knowing if people would begin to justify Asuna cheating with a more caring Inoda if Kirito indulged in other women of his own volition, or if that would ruin the NTR fantasy that's been happening up to this point.

I don't believe Inoda will be more caring anytime soon lol. At the beginning of Part 2, when Asuna ignores Inoda and ghosts him, he said he'll enact his revenge and make her into his bitch. But I guess he can change his mind later on and start treating her better without such vengeful tendencies.

While it wouldn't ruin the NTR fantasy for me if Kirito starts to also cheat on Asuna willingly, it wouldn't help justify Asuna's much earlier and current infidelity. I won't ever rationalize cheating, even if the SO of the primary cheater starts doing it later on.

 

[avervon]

You make some good points, but I simply feel that it doesn't work out for me most of the time if the games take too long or add too much details. Some of that probably stems from the fact that I do not need any kind of build up or details to sympathize with the cuck, since the fundamental situation of something he loves being stolen/lost/unattainable from him is a very strong emotional factor in itself for me, even in a complete vacuum of information. Besides that I am probably a lot more into the humiliation aspect of NTR than most people so feeling bad for the cuck is quite the opposite of what the NTR evokes in me, or what I want out of it in the first place.

And in a more meta kind of sense I am simply too burned out or distrustful of NTR stories to really want to put a lot of time into reading about the buildup without knowing how it will end. Too many NTR stories (even "Heavy" ones) have switched gear mid development or mid story and railroaded the game into either a "Good" end, or something that diminishes the NTR that has happened over the course of the game. I simply cannot find it in me to give most games the benefit of the doubt anymore. Therefore I prefer short and to the point NTR games where the stuff I read NTR for actually happens.

I am completely aware that this is a very personal issue to have and most people won't ever take this into consideration when talking about these games since they do not feel the same way about it.

I find it to be a very NTR specific set of issues that I rarely encounter in other kinks.

You do bring up a good point about the meta reason for NTR. I can't count how many games start out promising, but peter out until they either cease development, or come out with a product that isn't what was advertised.

Netorare isn't my personal kink since netori is more what I enjoy, but I would agree that a lot of NTR stories don't fully understand how to capitalize on the NTR aspect. I find that too many games lean on NTR solely being a "kink," rather than NTR being a genuine part of the story process, which is why I feel it sometimes ends up being diminished over the course of a story. And while that isn't bad (as a lot of fetish content does this as well), I am always interested in how stories can be improved or crafted differently.

What stands out to me in Fujino's story is that NTR is used as a device to reinforce the themes of the main couple, rather than just being a kink.

For example, not only is Inoda going after Asuna, he corrupts the mother as well. This emphasizes the "power" Inoda has in real life compared to Kirito in-game, who is subservient to Asuna's mother. It forms a hierarchy in which Inoda is at the top, while Kirito is at the bottom. It also serves to show that Inoda is capable of eventually corrupting Asuna, considering he has done so with her guardian.

You could also see his constant corruption of Asuna in the game as a slow usurpation of Kirito's raw combat strength in FOG (which fits the stealthy, crafty, rogue-type personality that Inoda is displayed as, as opposed to Kirito's blunt, awkward, and brute-force way of doing things).

Suguha gets corrupted by NTR, but that's used as a way for her to pursue her brother. Liz uses Inoda's plan to steal Asuna as a way for her to get with Kirito, which then serves to throttle Inoda's relationship with Asuna. The activities with Alice are used as a device to sow doubt within Asuna about Kirito, while also doubling as NTR with Klein. The story doesn't stop at "Inoda cucks Kirito," it uses NTR in very creative ways from normal NTR games I've seen, at least in my opinion.

This could also just be me talking out of my ass and me being completely wrong about Fujino's story, that is just as likely.

I think one of the changes I disliked about Fujino's story was the decision to stop including NPC sex scenes in the game (even though I think it was necessary in order to allow Fujino to focus on the other characters).

The NPCs in Fujino's previous games, as well as Part 1, were a great way to implement NTR into the interactions of the city, because they reinforced the state of Kirito's mentality throughout the game while also serving to populate the various areas. That green-haired guy who indulged in NTR with his wife in the church was a great marker as to where Kirito could be at the end of his journey, almost like a foil. There was an entire sequence where you needed to talk with him, so it was most certainly done on purpose.

And while these NPCs still exist, they lack a purpose. I used to interact with these NPCs in Part 1, but in Part 2 I rarely do after the change to stop including them, because their current interactions are generic. In his Scathach game, the inclusion of a sub-heroine and NTR within the village made exploration much more rewarding.

Sorry for the wall of text, I just talk a lot.

 

[stupid_army]

No update for August?

 

[kinglionheart]

No update for August?

No SAO update until end of September. But we should be getting the bonus game with Utaha Kasumigaoka very soon. Like in one or two days.

 

[kinglionheart]

I think one of the changes I disliked about Fujino's story was the decision to stop including NPC sex scenes in the game (even though I think it was necessary in order to allow Fujino to focus on the other characters).

Yes one of the things I loved about Part 1 was going in-between story missions to check in on how the NPCs stories are progressing. It made the world feel more alive having other characters not connected to the main characters living their lives and having their own stories.

I too understand they had to go to make room for the new canon characters' stories. But they are slowly being added back so I hope there will be a conclusion to their stories.

 

[NTR Apologist]

You do bring up a good point about the meta reason for NTR. I can't count how many games start out promising, but peter out until they either cease development, or come out with a product that isn't what was advertised.

Netorare isn't my personal kink since netori is more what I enjoy, but I would agree that a lot of NTR stories don't fully understand how to capitalize on the NTR aspect. I find that too many games lean on NTR solely being a "kink," rather than NTR being a genuine part of the story process, which is why I feel it sometimes ends up being diminished over the course of a story. And while that isn't bad (as a lot of fetish content does this as well), I am always interested in how stories can be improved or crafted differently.

What stands out to me in Fujino's story is that NTR is used as a device to reinforce the themes of the main couple, rather than just being a kink.

For example, not only is Inoda going after Asuna, he corrupts the mother as well. This emphasizes the "power" Inoda has in real life compared to Kirito in-game, who is subservient to Asuna's mother. It forms a hierarchy in which Inoda is at the top, while Kirito is at the bottom. It also serves to show that Inoda is capable of eventually corrupting Asuna, considering he has done so with her guardian.

You could also see his constant corruption of Asuna in the game as a slow usurpation of Kirito's raw combat strength in FOG (which fits the stealthy, crafty, rogue-type personality that Inoda is displayed as, as opposed to Kirito's blunt, awkward, and brute-force way of doing things).

Suguha gets corrupted by NTR, but that's used as a way for her to pursue her brother. Liz uses Inoda's plan to steal Asuna as a way for her to get with Kirito, which then serves to throttle Inoda's relationship with Asuna. The activities with Alice are used as a device to sow doubt within Asuna about Kirito, while also doubling as NTR with Klein. The story doesn't stop at "Inoda cucks Kirito," it uses NTR in very creative ways from normal NTR games I've seen, at least in my opinion.

This could also just be me talking out of my ass and me being completely wrong about Fujino's story, that is just as likely.

I think one of the changes I disliked about Fujino's story was the decision to stop including NPC sex scenes in the game (even though I think it was necessary in order to allow Fujino to focus on the other characters).

The NPCs in Fujino's previous games, as well as Part 1, were a great way to implement NTR into the interactions of the city, because they reinforced the state of Kirito's mentality throughout the game while also serving to populate the various areas. That green-haired guy who indulged in NTR with his wife in the church was a great marker as to where Kirito could be at the end of his journey, almost like a foil. There was an entire sequence where you needed to talk with him, so it was most certainly done on purpose.

And while these NPCs still exist, they lack a purpose. I used to interact with these NPCs in Part 1, but in Part 2 I rarely do after the change to stop including them, because their current interactions are generic. In his Scathach game, the inclusion of a sub-heroine and NTR within the village made exploration much more rewarding.

Sorry for the wall of text, I just talk a lot.

I also like the contradistinction of Kirito and Inoda. As you said, Inoda is superior to Kirito IRL, but Kirito is the inverse. We also see a contrast between them in emotional and physical connections with Asuna. Inoda is obviously better than Kirito at sex, but Kirito is better at being emotionally intimate with Asuna. It's the main reason why she hasn't fallen out of love with Kirito.

But Inoda is slowly manipulating Asuna into making her believe that Kirito is cheating on her (at least on the same level she has, cause he already kinda did cheat on her with Liz if you chose the more degenerate options), which will eventually break that last bit of reason that's keeping her from fully being committed to Inoda both physically and emotionally. Cause we all know that in NTR, if you lose your place in your SO's heart, then you officially lost the war.

It'll be interesting to see in the next update how much affection Asuna will have towards Inoda once Kyoko tells her that it was because of Inoda that she got back her IRL freedom and if it'll somehow decrease her affection with Kirito. There's probably now gonna be an even bigger gap in how Asuna looks at Kirito's competence compared to Inoda, as Inoda was able to do something Kirito couldn't that didn't involve sex or FOG.

 

[r0g8PIMlgKisJ1]

Hasta donde yo sé, Fujino nunca ha dicho que no le guste cómo se está desarrollando la historia. Creo que te refieres a la actualización que hizo a principios de la semana pasada, donde dijo que después de estar lejos de su computadora, tuvo algo de tiempo para pensar en las tramas principales y el final del juego .

En realidad, no es una declaración de que no le gusta su historia . Lo interpreto más como si estuviera luchando por conectar las tramas con los finales que tenía en mente o como si estuviera tratando de escribir conclusiones para cada arco argumental de los personajes y cómo afectará al final que aún no había escrito.
[/CITA]

Hasta donde yo sé, Fujino nunca ha dicho que no le guste cómo se está desarrollando la historia. Creo que te refieres a la actualización que hizo a principios de la semana pasada, donde dijo que después de estar lejos de su computadora, tuvo algo de tiempo para pensar en las tramas principales y el final del juego .

En realidad, no es una declaración de que no le gusta su historia . Lo interpreto más como si estuviera luchando por conectar las tramas con los finales que tenía en mente o como si estuviera tratando de escribir conclusiones para cada arco argumental de los personajes y cómo afectará al final que aún no había escrito.
[/CITA]
yo Was there an update?

 

[arone tajhiri]

But we should be getting the bonus game with Utaha Kasumigaoka very soon. Like in one or two days.

any idea what its called?

 

[gaka200]

There was one NTR doujin I found particularly interesting in which a woman got "cucked" by the new neighbor next to them. It started out as an NTR, but progressed into a story in which the reader rooted for the heroine to get stolen away from her boyfriend. This was because throughout the story, it is revealed that the boyfriend is a terrible person who talked behind her back and degraded her to his friends, while the bull was an incredibly sweet person who cared for the woman. In this sense, the NTR becomes justified and transitions into a case of loyalty being punished and infidelity being rewarded.

This SAO parody is great in that there is a lot of potential that Fujino has set up because of how meticulous the build up has been. Now can SAO pull off a similar scenario as unique as what I've outlined above? Probably not. Inoda has already been portrayed as an irredeemable antagonist, and any attempt to portray him in a positive light in a vacuum would be going against the narrative Fujino has been writing. In addition, Kirito wouldn't be the type to cheat on Asuna, at least canonically.

With how Fujino has been pushing the dual "corruption" of Kirito between both Liz and Suguha, I'd be interested in knowing if people would begin to justify Asuna cheating with a more caring Inoda if Kirito indulged in other women of his own volition, or if that would ruin the NTR fantasy that's been happening up to this point.

I do tend to view parodies or these kind of stories within a vacuum, so I've been mostly enjoying the narrative being portrayed. Some illogical NTR logic just gets thrown to the side in my head because it's NTR. But anyways in regards to us rooting for Inoda, I personally doubt it'll happen. People were already complaining about Fujino's comment about humanizing Inoda, or making him more relatable.

I think people are just more interested in the "fall", and if not others then I can say that's pretty much what I'm interested in. Asuna canonically isn't really a character that would cheat, she's the type of character that would ideally be firm in her stances and morals. This makes her someone people would be interested in seeing how she falls and gets corrupted mainly due to how hard it should be.

In Kirito's case, he should be more or less similar to Asuna, but we're less interested in him falling since Asuna is the one most are here for. In relation to the example you mentioned, I'm rooting for the other "NTR protagonist" and that is Suguha trying to corrupt Kirito and steal him from Asuna rofl.

My personal experience to enjoying this game has to do with the conquering of Asuna, Suguha's domination, and the quirky game element ideas that Fujino introduced that feels new, fresh, and maybe exciting. Mainly my favorite part are the battles, even if all you do is press "Attack" to see the CGs, the basic narrative of that moment is similar to the BF or Husband lounging around obliviously while the GF/Wife is getting plowed by the next door neighbor. But I suppose it's just fun to see it happen in a more "real time" kind of sense, makes it exciting I suppose.

What stands out to me in Fujino's story is that NTR is used as a device to reinforce the themes of the main couple, rather than just being a kink.

I'd jokingly say you've analyzed this game a little too much. I never really thought deep enough to make those connections, and just liked how decently logical most interactions have been portrayed, with whatever exciting corrupted twist is portrayed to us as well. My emphasis on decently logical is that while this game/story embraces the NTR tropes, it's doing it in a much more interestingly fun way.

While everyone is a little unhinged and trying to go behind everyone's backs stealing either Kirito or Asuna from their SO, the way everyone goes about it is generally fun and amusing. I like how Liz thinks she has the upper hand, and definitely makes some progress with Kirito, but doesn't realize she made a deal with the devil that is Inoda. Inoda constantly lies and plays down his results to Liz to maintain the upper hand. It's similar to how you mentioned that Inoda corrupting Kyoko is showing his "true power" so to speak. So everyone that dares interact with him is dancing in the palm of his hands, due to 50% genius, and 50% luck/coincidence/god intervention.

Suguha being corrupted by NTR therefore ends up trying to corrupt Kirito is also a fun way to go about it and I do like the potential Sinon and Hebishima storyline being portrayed. Some people think Sinon wants revenge; while I personally would go down the route similar to what you mentioned and that's Sinon got corrupted by NTR and is now the yandere possessive one in her relationship with Hebishima instead of Hebishima being control.

Basically NTR in this game isn't as you mentioned so plain and simple and that's what makes the ride fun.

The NPCs in Fujino's previous games, as well as Part 1, were a great way to implement NTR into the interactions of the city, because they reinforced the state of Kirito's mentality throughout the game while also serving to populate the various areas. That green-haired guy who indulged in NTR with his wife in the church was a great marker as to where Kirito could be at the end of his journey, almost like a foil. There was an entire sequence where you needed to talk with him, so it was most certainly done on purpose.

And while these NPCs still exist, they lack a purpose. I used to interact with these NPCs in Part 1, but in Part 2 I rarely do after the change to stop including them, because their current interactions are generic. In his Scathach game, the inclusion of a sub-heroine and NTR within the village made exploration much more rewarding.

King lion does mention that some of the npcs are back, so we can only hope. The only NPCs I really cared about though was the green haired guy, the charlie friend getting cucked without knowing, and that guy that looked like Inoda somehow dominating everyone else in the city. I personally don't miss the NPCs that were definitely filler, instead of being around for Kirito to make small comments about, which is why I mentioned the 3 NPCs from earlier. Green-haired guy shows like you mentioned where Kirito can end up. Charlie was a friend getting cucked in real-time that would make Kirito question some of the events that are happening to himself. I did like how whenever Kirito got anonymous messages that showed Asuna getting sexually harassed, Kirito ended up thinking it was Charlie who sent him the video. Lastly the Big Glasses dude is the opposite of the green-haired guy, which is Kirito's exposure to the one that will cuck others instead of the cuck (green hair guy) himself.

In terms of stuff I miss from Part 1; I mainly miss the black-market video store. That idea from Part 1 was one of the most interactive ways to see the NTR happen in a logical "non-recollection event" fashion. I'm hoping the store comes back, or the brothel does something to take its place.

 

[zfluke13]

What the hell is going on? Can you summarize it for me? I can't keep up.

 

[variaNTR]

What the hell is going on? Can you summarize it for me? I can't keep up.

Nothing, people just love discussing their theories, opinions on the game or general NTR stuff lol

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Tomorrow we should be getting a progress report so hang in there guys.

Nothing, people just love discussing their theories, opinions on the game or general NTR stuff lol

When Fujino takes a 2 months break this tend to happen, people get so bored it slowly but surely gets more and more off-topic...we're gonna see the thread getting closed right before the next update again at this rate, aren't we?

 

[avervon]

I do tend to view parodies or these kind of stories within a vacuum, so I've been mostly enjoying the narrative being portrayed. Some illogical NTR logic just gets thrown to the side in my head because it's NTR. But anyways in regards to us rooting for Inoda, I personally doubt it'll happen. People were already complaining about Fujino's comment about humanizing Inoda, or making him more relatable.

I think people are just more interested in the "fall", and if not others then I can say that's pretty much what I'm interested in. Asuna canonically isn't really a character that would cheat, she's the type of character that would ideally be firm in her stances and morals. This makes her someone people would be interested in seeing how she falls and gets corrupted mainly due to how hard it should be.

In Kirito's case, he should be more or less similar to Asuna, but we're less interested in him falling since Asuna is the one most are here for. In relation to the example you mentioned, I'm rooting for the other "NTR protagonist" and that is Suguha trying to corrupt Kirito and steal him from Asuna rofl.

My personal experience to enjoying this game has to do with the conquering of Asuna, Suguha's domination, and the quirky game element ideas that Fujino introduced that feels new, fresh, and maybe exciting. Mainly my favorite part are the battles, even if all you do is press "Attack" to see the CGs, the basic narrative of that moment is similar to the BF or Husband lounging around obliviously while the GF/Wife is getting plowed by the next door neighbor. But I suppose it's just fun to see it happen in a more "real time" kind of sense, makes it exciting I suppose.



I'd jokingly say you've analyzed this game a little too much. I never really thought deep enough to make those connections, and just liked how decently logical most interactions have been portrayed, with whatever exciting corrupted twist is portrayed to us as well. My emphasis on decently logical is that while this game/story embraces the NTR tropes, it's doing it in a much more interestingly fun way.

While everyone is a little unhinged and trying to go behind everyone's backs stealing either Kirito or Asuna from their SO, the way everyone goes about it is generally fun and amusing. I like how Liz thinks she has the upper hand, and definitely makes some progress with Kirito, but doesn't realize she made a deal with the devil that is Inoda. Inoda constantly lies and plays down his results to Liz to maintain the upper hand. It's similar to how you mentioned that Inoda corrupting Kyoko is showing his "true power" so to speak. So everyone that dares interact with him is dancing in the palm of his hands, due to 50% genius, and 50% luck/coincidence/god intervention.

Suguha being corrupted by NTR therefore ends up trying to corrupt Kirito is also a fun way to go about it and I do like the potential Sinon and Hebishima storyline being portrayed. Some people think Sinon wants revenge; while I personally would go down the route similar to what you mentioned and that's Sinon got corrupted by NTR and is now the yandere possessive one in her relationship with Hebishima instead of Hebishima being control.

Basically NTR in this game isn't as you mentioned so plain and simple and that's what makes the ride fun.



King lion does mention that some of the npcs are back, so we can only hope. The only NPCs I really cared about though was the green haired guy, the charlie friend getting cucked without knowing, and that guy that looked like Inoda somehow dominating everyone else in the city. I personally don't miss the NPCs that were definitely filler, instead of being around for Kirito to make small comments about, which is why I mentioned the 3 NPCs from earlier. Green-haired guy shows like you mentioned where Kirito can end up. Charlie was a friend getting cucked in real-time that would make Kirito question some of the events that are happening to himself. I did like how whenever Kirito got anonymous messages that showed Asuna getting sexually harassed, Kirito ended up thinking it was Charlie who sent him the video. Lastly the Big Glasses dude is the opposite of the green-haired guy, which is Kirito's exposure to the one that will cuck others instead of the cuck (green hair guy) himself.

In terms of stuff I miss from Part 1; I mainly miss the black-market video store. That idea from Part 1 was one of the most interactive ways to see the NTR happen in a logical "non-recollection event" fashion. I'm hoping the store comes back, or the brothel does something to take its place.

I definitely did overanalyze. I think a better way to summarize my wall of text is that Fujino's writing feels natural and plays into itself. Nothing feels like it oversteps its boundaries to the point that I need to suspend my disbelief in order to make the writing believable. It's not 100% faithful to the characters, but it's faithful enough that I can say "If I were to write an NTR of SAO characters, this wouldn't seem out of place."

I think the fact that I can point out certain dynamics and story elements that are replicated in other stories is a decent sign that the writing isn't NTR fetish content with a story conveniently attached to it; the story is made with NTR in mind and attempts to make it cohesive.

The one part I fondly remember from Part 1 was when Kirito was working at the love hotel while his sister was getting banged three floors above in real time. That was fun.

I will also say, I appreciate how willing Fujino is to experiment with the various ways to show off NTR in his games. It's never stale, and the various ways that SAO NTR (as well as his previous games) portrays the gradual (or immediate) corruption is nice.