RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.65] [Fujino]

[Infeno2.0]

Endings are hard i would say they are almost impossible, so many loose ends to check, plot holes to cover and it's very likely almost nobody will like it 100%.
Theories asisde, any ending you can come up with has always be related to one thing, the main plot, which in this case is the Council/Admin and their objectives and not Asuna/Inoda and Kirito.
To see if the ending pass you always have to consider how this fits with the narrative council/Admin plans which are mental control/domination and merging FOG and IRL in some sort of new reality.
I would bet in 2 possible endings: Kirito goes against the council agenda and this led him to discover about Asuna and Inoda affair in FOG only but since he fight and block the merge he is kept oblivious to IRL cheating as well, and following his on argument "FOG is not real" and everything like the IRL halucinations were because the council but he forgive Asuna and stays with her as long they dont play online anymore, but at the same time she keep fucking Inoda on the side. Oblivious Cuck
Or the NTS cuck he play along with the admin/council proposal of this new reality because he's got corrupted and much in order to what the goddess told him "you should accept because you will make all your friends happy" and he will knew about everything but maybe he will have access to other girls.

 

[mos555]

So, seems like people are out of ending theories.

Ok, let’s talk gameplay mechanics. How do you like the new little branches Fujino put in the recent updates? The first one was Klein/Alice, the other was Suguha/Sinon, and the last one we could only see in the rec room. I guess the plan is to gain some hidden affection with certain characters. Not sure what Fujino has in mind, but maybe something like, if you help or sexually interact with a certain character more often than with others, you get a different scene. It might also affect the ending of some characters, which aligns with what the Admin mentioned at some point.

So far, the game is quite linear and it is really difficult to understand where everything is going. I hope it won't be like in Mass Effect 3. But for now, there are almost no such choices in the game that are important for the plot. There is a scene in the gallery where Kirito fucks a stuck Liz, but I still did not understand how to get this scene, and maybe this scene depends on some kind of election earlier. Back in the last update, there was a choice to tell Sinon about the problem or not. Maybe he will play in the future. We can only judge the endings by the description of the perks, but these are Asuna's perks and the rest are not really mentioned there, and Fujino can change everything.

 

[SixDates]

So, seems like people are out of ending theories.

I have been a bit busy lately, so I haven't been checking the thread all that much, but if we are talking about endings, I am a simple man, with simple desires.





(I know that the chances of highly noticeable deformities is low in a case of first generational incest, but that fact goes against my funny meme, so I will ignore it.)

I see that there has also been a lot of talk about Yui, and her possible involvement in the lewd scenes of the games, and while I agree with those who don't like the idea of her ever being close to the fatso, piggy, Inoda.

That being said, I can see her being part used for scenes like this one.






Maybe not exactly the same situation as I showed with that example, but the naivety of Yui could be used as a factor for scenes that are purely Inoda x Asuna.

Anyways, while I'm not exactly 100% sure of what will happen to Yui in the future, I will focus on what matters until she becomes part of the game. And what truly matters is Suguha.



Surely, she will have a good ending which I will be able to wholeheartedly like.

 

[4-kun]

Check with the blue/green orb in the recollection room every night.


Maybe these branches are a proof of concept for branches that will affect something in the future. But for now I think they are just there because Fujino wanted to challenge himself a little and actually make the game more game-like. With decisions that change what we see. It is boring just going around collecting scenes like every other RPGM game. But none of those branches actually affect anything. Unless someone hacks the save and says those choices actually flags something. Like Administrator said, you can change the fate of Alice by changing who her first partner is but it doesn't affect anything, especially for Klein. Klein will become a cuckold no matter what.

Yeah, right now we can't tell whether it's just Fujino testing new concepts or if it already implies that some choices will matter later on. We can't conclude yet because there have only been two so far, each for different characters. This just crossed my mind because of the Sinon choice; naturally, every sane person would choose Suguha, but the phrasing wasn’t simply 'who won the competition.' Instead, you chose whether Sinon has high affection toward Kirito, which makes me wonder why he would phrase it that way. I like to think there’s a reason behind it.

As for Klein, the current outcome is the same, yes, but what if, further down the story, Kirito could have a chance to save Alice, and maybe her chosen first partner would play a role in determining if it's possible to cure her or not? I mean, it’s an easy way to implement meaningful choices for side characters. I doubt we’ll see it for Asuna, but with just a few flags, you could create a variety of endings for different characters without changing the overall story.

At least from a technical POV, it could just be some variable counter.

 

[mos555]

I doubt we’ll see it for Asuna, but with just a few flags, you could create a variety of endings for different characters without changing the overall story.

Now I was thinking what it reminds me of. It's funny if Fujino makes an ending like in Fallout 3. A set of pictures with comments that depend on the elections and events in the game.

 

[4-kun]

Now I was thinking what it reminds me of. It's funny if Fujino makes an ending like in Fallout 3. A set of pictures with comments that depend on the elections and events in the game.

It’s actually pretty common in games that you just get a summary of what happened to side characters. Sometimes it’s just a few lines of text, sometimes a little scene. Certainly, I’ve seen it in some mid-90s JRPGs, so it’s nothing new.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

I have been a bit busy lately, so I haven't been checking the thread all that much, but if we are talking about endings, I am a simple man, with simple desires.

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(I know that the chances of highly noticeable deformities is low in a case of first generational incest, but that fact goes against my funny meme, so I will ignore it.)

I see that there has also been a lot of talk about Yui, and her possible involvement in the lewd scenes of the games, and while I agree with those who don't like the idea of her ever being close to the fatso, piggy, Inoda.

That being said, I can see her being part used for scenes like this one.


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Maybe not exactly the same situation as I showed with that example, but the naivety of Yui could be used as a factor for scenes that are purely Inoda x Asuna.

Anyways, while I'm not exactly 100% sure of what will happen to Yui in the future, I will focus on what matters until she becomes part of the game. And what truly matters is Suguha.

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Surely, she will have a good ending which I will be able to wholeheartedly like.

Sugu-posting for the win!

Also, ignoring the funny meme and how realistically they wouldn't have any deformities, I bet that no matter how they looked they would still look prettier than any baby Inoda puts in Asuna

 

[Adhuan]

Guys I'm on 0.601 and upon copying my save from 0.551, at the start of the day after Asuna's morning blowjob, the game freezes at the commercial district.
The save in slot 1 that comes from the update starts at 6/28 after kirito falls to bed but I'm missing some info since it seems that they go shopping and then to a love hotel. Do we have a fix for the aforementioned freeze?

 

[900bs]

Guys I'm on 0.601 and upon copying my save from 0.551, at the start of the day after Asuna's morning blowjob, the game freezes at the commercial district.
The save in slot 1 that comes from the update starts at 6/28 after kirito falls to bed but I'm missing some info since it seems that they go shopping and then to a love hotel. Do we have a fix for the aforementioned freeze?

Just start a new game from this date. In the menu after clicking on a new game, select the second item, and then the third 06.27. And the game starts with a blowjob from Asuna

 

[900bs]

Overall, I like the idea of Alice in the new update, at least the role of a whore for Kirito is not so bad, unlike just fucking under hypnosis. As for Liz, everything is somehow strangely empty here, from the very beginning of the game we are kind of told that now Asuna has a competitor who will help Inoda and fight for Kirito, and at first everything seems to be developing dynamically, but then her plot just dissolves and as a result we have 3 scenes with her (not counting Kirito's sleep) for the entire game, I expected, maybe, something to happen in the hospital, but no. Suguha from tsundere became yandere somehow too abruptly. But then again, we all know what she does, but there are no normal scenes, literally 2 scenes at night are almost the same, 3 are slightly different, although it is difficult to call them scenes. As a result, in the irl we have no scenes of her doing things with her, except for one normal scene with Kirito jerking off (I did not take into account the scene from the fog). It all ends weirdly. Suguha and Liz were supposed to be important supporting characters, but they both have less scenes than Kyouko or Alice.

 

[900bs]

As for Asuna, she's just a slut. But I find it funny how she reacts to Kirito's alleged cheating in Fog after everything she did to Inoda in the first and second parts of the game

 

[900bs]

Oh, and Sinon, at first she was just Hebishima’s whore and didn’t influence the plot in any way. I actually thought she was just there for fanservice, but now Fujino is trying to give her a more significant role in the plot. Let's see what comes of it

 

[900bs]

In the end, it somehow turned out that the significant secondary characters are seriously lacking scenes, while the much less significant ones have quite a lot

 

[Kakushigoto]

You guys so serious

 

[gaka200]

So, seems like people are out of ending theories.

Ok, let’s talk gameplay mechanics. How do you like the new little branches Fujino put in the recent updates? The first one was Klein/Alice, the other was Suguha/Sinon, and the last one we could only see in the rec room. I guess the plan is to gain some hidden affection with certain characters. Not sure what Fujino has in mind, but maybe something like, if you help or sexually interact with a certain character more often than with others, you get a different scene. It might also affect the ending of some characters, which aligns with what the Admin mentioned at some point.

I'm confused about the "Sinon high favor, and Sinon low favor". It almost made it sound like I had an option to effect this outcome. But I don't know how I would know what to do to effect this.

 

[4-kun]

I'm confused about the "Sinon high favor, and Sinon low favor". It almost made it sound like I had an option to effect this outcome. But I don't know how I would know what to do to effect this.

Yeah, it’s a bit too early to make realistic conclusions, but my guess is that if you ignore Sinon’s choices, for example with the orcs, then you get low affection, but if you watch her scenes and help her, you get high affection. Maybe something like that.

Or maybe Fujino just ran out of time and used one bigger scene to cover two characters without needing to make whole separate events. The same is true for the Alice event last update, where we got Klein’s version and basically the same scene, but with the other guy instead. That way, he technically keeps roughly the usual amount of scenes provided with each update, but with less effort, since two scenes are more or less the same.

Or it's just an random interaction that Fujino came up with

 

[Sarolt]

So, seems like people are out of ending theories.

Ok, let’s talk gameplay mechanics. How do you like the new little branches Fujino put in the recent updates? The first one was Klein/Alice, the other was Suguha/Sinon, and the last one we could only see in the rec room. I guess the plan is to gain some hidden affection with certain characters. Not sure what Fujino has in mind, but maybe something like, if you help or sexually interact with a certain character more often than with others, you get a different scene. It might also affect the ending of some characters, which aligns with what the Admin mentioned at some point.

At this point its hard to determine if any decision taken in game will develop into individual branches. Fujino kept the game linear and so even if we are to get branches Fujino will have to decide how independent or codependent are those from main story/characters. If I remember correctly all previous games from Fujino did not make use of branches and we're kept linear.

Even if we get to have branches most likely they will be tied to the prurience level of Kirito with little decision from the player on how corrupt are the girls. What I can say is if the branches are to be used they will have to include at some point some decisions from the player while playing as Kirito or any of those girls in regards with their actions. Otherwise it will simply be a matter of just getting another CG without any significant backstory to it. In short Fujino will have to give up the linear story mode, at least for secondary characters, if he wants to implement branches into the game.

The Klein/Alice potential branch would be the easiest to manage from a story flow perspective. Both Klein and Alice have little to no interaction with Asuna and Inoda, and I suspect that Fujino will keep this way. I am thinking that in this branch Kirito will serve only to further Alice corruption and Klein descent into being a cuck. It makes little narative sense to have any other way while keeping the branch and Kirito involvoment with Alice and Klein relevant and interesting.

The Suguha/Sinon potential branch is more complicated to mannage. On one hand Fujino will have to decide if he will keep the branch common for Sugu and Sinon or make separate branches for each of them. And at this point Sinon role and plans are not completely known, and Sugu actions up to this stage do not poitlnt towards her having a clear course of action in mind and they are more just reactions to events. My thoughts for this coomon branch or separete branches to work are that the player will have to play as the girls and make decisions in regards to their agency and actions before any decision can be made while playing as Kirito. Kirito simply does not have the type of personality or drive to get and keep a relationship with them by himself.

I am not sure to what are you referring by "and the last one we could only see in the rec room". Can you describe it more ?

There is also a possible branch with Liz, but here we have even less details about it than others.

All in all in Fujino can keep things simple and just offer more CGs if Kirito chooses to go with the flow and this will not impact the overall story and linearity of it. Or have different outcomes in those branches and an impact on ending of the game story by allowing the player to make important/relevant decisions in those branches.

 

[4-kun]

At this point its hard to determine if any decision taken in game will develop into individual branches. Fujino kept the game linear and so even if we are to get branches Fujino will have to decide how independent or codependent are those from main story/characters. If I remember correctly all previous games from Fujino did not make use of branches and we're kept linear.

Even if we get to have branches most likely they will be tied to the prurience level of Kirito with little decision from the player on how corrupt are the girls. What I can say is if the branches are to be used they will have to include at some point some decisions from the player while playing as Kirito or any of those girls in regards with their actions. Otherwise it will simply be a matter of just getting another CG without any significant backstory to it. In short Fujino will have to give up the linear story mode, at least for secondary characters, if he wants to implement branches into the game.

The Klein/Alice potential branch would be the easiest to manage from a story flow perspective. Both Klein and Alice have little to no interaction with Asuna and Inoda, and I suspect that Fujino will keep this way. I am thinking that in this branch Kirito will serve only to further Alice corruption and Klein descent into being a cuck. It makes little narative sense to have any other way while keeping the branch and Kirito involvoment with Alice and Klein relevant and interesting.

The Suguha/Sinon potential branch is more complicated to mannage. On one hand Fujino will have to decide if he will keep the branch common for Sugu and Sinon or make separate branches for each of them. And at this point Sinon role and plans are not completely known, and Sugu actions up to this stage do not poitlnt towards her having a clear course of action in mind and they are more just reactions to events. My thoughts for this coomon branch or separete branches to work are that the player will have to play as the girls and make decisions in regards to their agency and actions before any decision can be made while playing as Kirito. Kirito simply does not have the type of personality or drive to get and keep a relationship with them by himself.

I am not sure to what are you referring by "and the last one we could only see in the rec room". Can you describe it more ?

There is also a possible branch with Liz, but here we have even less details about it than others.

All in all in Fujino can keep things simple and just offer more CGs if Kirito chooses to go with the flow and this will not impact the overall story and linearity of it. Or have different outcomes in those branches and an impact on ending of the game story by allowing the player to make important/relevant decisions in those branches.

Yeah, what I mean are branching choices that could change the outcome for some characters at the end of the game, not actual branching storylines. So basically, the overall story will stay the same, and only at the end of a side character’s story there might be a conclusion based on your previous choices. Naturally, it’ll depend on Kirito's ‘prurience level,’ as it needs to be high enough to even unlock those choices.

I mean the Suguha/Sinon scene. It’s a bit hard to describe, but I'll try.
Maybe like this: We don't know what the 'canon' outcome of that competition is because the save file was provided by Fujino. But if we were playing ourselves, the 'canon' outcome would basically depend on our previous choices; for example, if we turned down every choice that involved Sinon, she would naturally have low affection, so the 'canon' outcome would be Suguha winning the competition. This could mean that we missed the flag for an alternate ending for Sinon.

To be clear, I’m not saying it’s true, I just wanted to share my thoughts on this new mechanic and hear what people think about it. But, I mean, at this point, it’s just a technical theory.

As for Klein and Alice, I'm not so sure anymore. It seems to me that Fujino is trying to merge all the stories together so that, for one, every character has the possibility to impact the main plot, and second, they don’t feel disconnected. Before the previous update, Suguha was basically on her own without any real connection to Asuna or Inoda, but with just one scene, she literally became responsible for Asuna’s fall in FOG. There’s also a build-up for a potential Sinon connection to Asuna. So, Alice, who is tied to the council, might also be ‘connected’ with Inoda at some point in the story, which could involve either Kirito or Asuna.

 

[mos555]

Yeah, what I mean are branching choices that could change the outcome for some characters at the end of the game, not actual branching storylines. So basically, the overall story will stay the same, and only at the end of a side character’s story there might be a conclusion based on your previous choices. Naturally, it’ll depend on Kirito's ‘prurience level,’ as it needs to be high enough to even unlock those choices.

I mean the Suguha/Sinon scene. It’s a bit hard to describe, but I'll try.
Maybe like this: We don't know what the 'canon' outcome of that competition is because the save file was provided by Fujino. But if we were playing ourselves, the 'canon' outcome would basically depend on our previous choices; for example, if we turned down every choice that involved Sinon, she would naturally have low affection, so the 'canon' outcome would be Suguha winning the competition. This could mean that we missed the flag for an alternate ending for Sinon.

To be clear, I’m not saying it’s true, I just wanted to share my thoughts on this new mechanic and hear what people think about it. But, I mean, at this point, it’s just a technical theory.

I agree! It is still difficult to judge the consequences of some decisions. It would be good if Fujino, in future updates, somehow warned about the consequences of past elections. For example, "if you chose to talk Sinon about hallucinations in version 0.60, then an event will occur in this update."

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Yeah, what I mean are branching choices that could change the outcome for some characters at the end of the game, not actual branching storylines. So basically, the overall story will stay the same, and only at the end of a side character’s story there might be a conclusion based on your previous choices. Naturally, it’ll depend on Kirito's ‘prurience level,’ as it needs to be high enough to even unlock those choices.

I mean the Suguha/Sinon scene. It’s a bit hard to describe, but I'll try.
Maybe like this: We don't know what the 'canon' outcome of that competition is because the save file was provided by Fujino. But if we were playing ourselves, the 'canon' outcome would basically depend on our previous choices; for example, if we turned down every choice that involved Sinon, she would naturally have low affection, so the 'canon' outcome would be Suguha winning the competition. This could mean that we missed the flag for an alternate ending for Sinon.

To be clear, I’m not saying it’s true, I just wanted to share my thoughts on this new mechanic and hear what people think about it. But, I mean, at this point, it’s just a technical theory.

As for Klein and Alice, I'm not so sure anymore. It seems to me that Fujino is trying to merge all the stories together so that, for one, every character has the possibility to impact the main plot, and second, they don’t feel disconnected. Before the previous update, Suguha was basically on her own without any real connection to Asuna or Inoda, but with just one scene, she literally became responsible for Asuna’s fall in FOG. There’s also a build-up for a potential Sinon connection to Asuna. So, Alice, who is tied to the council, might also be ‘connected’ with Inoda at some point in the story, which could involve either Kirito or Asuna.

I mean, sorry to burst your bubble 4-kun, but not REALLY? Reminder, unlike the Klein/Alice outcome, which you could alter depending on your choices, the Sinon/Leafa scene could NOT be affected by your own choices a all, because it was ONLY VISIBLE IN THE REC. ROOM XD There is absolutely no way to see the scene during your actual gameplay, and if you unlock the scene in the rec. room you immediately straight up get to choose which outcome you wanted, therefore literally nothing you choose regarding Sinon in the game would affect that because the only real thing allowing you to see it is what you choose before watching it in the rec. room XP