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sageproduct

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There aren't, actually, like I said a lot of Asuna's characters are blatant retcons, but that's not so much her fault as it's how the original story was conceived, which is something most anime-only will never know and even LN-readers won't acknowledge because 90% of the SAO fans only care for Asuna and/or KiriSuna XP

See, originally, SAO was meant to be a self-concluding 'one-shot' story, what nowadays is "SAO Volume 1" was originally ALL SAO was. In anime terms, imagine if it was just Episode 1, then skipped immediately to Kirito with the rare cooking ingredient rabbit in Agil's episode, remove the Yui episodes of their honeymoon entirely and any reference to anything that happened in the season before that moment, and end with Kirito waking up in the hospital. That's it.

Most of Season 1 (Liz, Silica, Yui, even Sachi and the Black Cats) were only added as part of Volume 2, which was the author trying to flesh out the world of the 'finished' story, and then he decided to continue more with a new direction for the plot since 'SAO' itself was over. Asuna's character is so shifty because originally all there was to her character was that and it wasn't meant to have more, it was just a self-concluding semi-fantasy love story, hell, she didn't even "win" over the other girls for being "better" than them, she won by default because none of them even EXISTED in the author's head when he originally wrote SAO.

Asuna originally had never even interacted much Kirito outside some boss fights before the last days of Aincrad, which is how originally Fairy Dance, then Fatal Bullet, were written upon. Then that was retconned to they actually having interacted a few times when volume 8 added the sidestory of the 'murder mystery', which was also in S1 in the anime. And even after that it was retconned again as they actually having met at the beginning of SAO when the author was asked by the anime team to write them a script for the second episode, which he once again 'wrote too much about' and became what nowadays is known as SAO Progressive, a whole-ass spin-off that completely retconned the entirety of Kirito and Asuna's relationship to they having known each other and been partners since the beginning of SAO before something split them apart, NONE of which was originally part of the original story at all :)

Again, none of this is specifically Asuna's fault, is how the author decided to continue the story from a 'self-concluding' point and expand it in bits and pieces in every direction, both continuing the main story and also going back to add more and more stuff to the early days of Aincrad constantly, but it's directly what caused Asuna to be such an 'inconsistent' character, because she has gone through like 3 whole retcons just to make her 'fit better' as the main heroine.

For all people rage about Kirito, is ironically Asuna whose writing is much worse thanks to both the author's efforts to write her better constantly and the bits and pieces he never touches, like, this rich girl who didn't have any real honest friends before SAO and was constantly under a controlling mother, and never done a single sport in her life because it would have been 'unladylike', and never touched a videogame in her life, became a godly prodigy unrivaled by almost everyone else the moment she grabbed a rapier despite having 0 experience with it, and despite having never cooked in her life she was such a prodigy at cooking in the game that despite having absolutely anything to do with real life cooking she also was cooking with the same master-waifu-levels like a month after getting out of the hospital :p
Fuck yeah. Kirito is the man idc what any of you wankers say Kirito whoop yo ASS
 
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Reminds me a lot of the Venus NTR games, but in RPG Maker style and with MMD scenes. Or is this Koikatsu? Man, still can't believe how hard that game failed despite how much it get used for porn.

I absolutely love the part where Asuna's feeling to Kirito boost to 100 after the fireworks show and she want to end the relation with Inoda. The rest is just fate.
Why would you play an NTR game just for that? Also. why would you be so happy and desperate to take back a girl who cheats on you like this? You NTR ragers are weird.
 
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Reminds me a lot of the Venus NTR games, but in RPG Maker style and with MMD scenes. Or is this Koikatsu? Man, still can't believe how hard that game failed despite how much it get used for porn.



Why would you play an NTR game just for that? Also. why would you be so desperate to take back a girl who cheats on you like this? You NTR ragers are weird.
he dont know that she cheat on him
 

RuinedManLife

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It's not a scene persay, but at the end of the update in the recollection room, when you try to go into the building on the left, like you can before and talk to the Administrator, the door is locked and Kirito says it sounds like she's talking to someone.
Ok, so I never went to that building before. Now I feel dumb for not trying. Thanks!
 

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Ok, so I never went to that building before. Now I feel dumb for not trying. Thanks!
To be fair, it has only been 'in use' for the past couple of updates, if you went there before it was empty but for the past 2 or 3 days you have been able to talk with Administrator there and she makes a few cryptic comments about the events of the day that just finished (Some could be interpreted as hints too as they help deduce she has been actively interfering with issues IRL, like helping Inoda NTR Asuna and being the reason the 'miracle horny drug' was created).
 

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Before leaving for the cabin on the 11th, Liz recommends getting a massage the next day, Friday.

I hope that in the next update, Liz will be included and enjoy Inoda when getting a massage.

And I think it would be good for Inoda to update the story with a straight line, including the four-person sex between Kyoko, Asuna, and Liz, and then add other characters afterward.

If additional characters are distributed and updated over the past days, the content will become richer and you will be able to play the game if you are excited to find new elements when playing from the beginning.
 
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4-kun

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Before leaving for the cabin on the 11th, Liz recommends getting a massage the next day, Friday.

I hope that in the next update, Liz will be included and enjoy Inoda when getting a massage.

And I think it would be good for Inoda to update the story with a straight line, including the four-person sex between Kyoko, Asuna, and Liz, and then add other characters afterward.

If additional characters are distributed and updated over the past days, the content will become richer and you will be able to play the game if you are excited to find new elements when playing from the beginning.
But isn't Liz' goal right now to get Kirito? I think that would be a good opportunity to start her disappointment path :)
 

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Before leaving for the cabin on the 11th, Liz recommends getting a massage the next day, Friday.

I hope that in the next update, Liz will be included and enjoy Inoda when getting a massage.

And I think it would be good for Inoda to update the story with a straight line, including the four-person sex between Kyoko, Asuna, and Liz, and then add other characters afterward.

If additional characters are distributed and updated over the past days, the content will become richer and you will be able to play the game if you are excited to find new elements when playing from the beginning.
Going back to add things to previous days is much harder than just adding them as they go, if Fujino neglected all other plots to advance forward just the Inoda one then it would completely break immersion. Like, one day or 2 wouldn't be an issue but if he spent a whole week without focusing at all in the other characters it would make no sense for them to even exist XD

But isn't Liz' goal right now to get Kirito? I think that would be a good opportunity to start her disappointment path :)
I'm pretty sure a lot of the fans of this game don't really care about logic or story-accuracy anymore after Inoda fucked Asuna now, if you judge by the overall majority of reactions, if the rest of the game was just continuous Asuna/Inoda/others sex scenes and Kirito suddenly was unable to talk they would probably still be greatly satisfied I bet :p
 

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Going back to add things to previous days is much harder than just adding them as they go, if Fujino neglected all other plots to advance forward just the Inoda one then it would completely break immersion. Like, one day or 2 wouldn't be an issue but if he spent a whole week without focusing at all in the other characters it would make no sense for them to even exist XD



I'm pretty sure a lot of the fans of this game don't really care about logic or story-accuracy anymore after Inoda fucked Asuna now, if you judge by the overall majority of reactions, if the rest of the game was just continuous Asuna/Inoda/others sex scenes and Kirito suddenly was unable to talk they would probably still be greatly satisfied I bet :p
Yeah, it seems like it, which makes me kind of regret wasting my time reading the entire story so far. :rolleyes:
 
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Before leaving for the cabin on the 11th, Liz recommends getting a massage the next day, Friday.

I hope that in the next update, Liz will be included and enjoy Inoda when getting a massage.

And I think it would be good for Inoda to update the story with a straight line, including the four-person sex between Kyoko, Asuna, and Liz, and then add other characters afterward.

If additional characters are distributed and updated over the past days, the content will become richer and you will be able to play the game if you are excited to find new elements when playing from the beginning.
I suspect it'll be Inoda either fucking or fingering Asuna to squirt, while Liz handle Kirito next door. I feel like Liz needs to start making some kind of positive moves on Kirito though, not just sabotaging his relationship; maybe a handjob? Or maybe she just puts him to sleep again.
 

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I suspect it'll be Inoda either fucking or fingering Asuna to squirt, while Liz handle Kirito next door. I feel like Liz needs to start making some kind of positive moves on Kirito though, not just sabotaging his relationship; maybe a handjob? Or maybe she just puts him to sleep again.
Yeah, the flaw with how Fujino portrayed Liz's character is inherently that she's sabotaging herself more than anyone else could, she hasn't really made any TRUE efforts to endear herself in Kirito's eyes, especially with how short her temper is despite her 'whispered' Tsun moments, like she believes all she needs to do is get Asuna out of the way for Kirito to become hers or even take advantage of him unlike Suguha did (At least before she was seemingly shifted back again this update), despite having him completely at her mercy in the massage table for quite a while. Putting aside how she's obviously gonna end up disappointed in him one way or another, we KNOW she's doomed to fail from the get-go and not even because Kirito only wants Asuna, but because we know one of the endings is literally Kirito not knowing anything is going on, therefore we have already been 'Spoiled' that Liz's 'plan' (Which is very likely to expose Inoda and Asuna once he has fully 'stolen' the latter) WLL fail no matter what, even if we're not sure how just yet XP
 

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Yeah, the flaw with how Fujino portrayed Liz's character is inherently that she's sabotaging herself more than anyone else could, she hasn't really made any TRUE efforts to endear herself in Kirito's eyes, especially with how short her temper is despite her 'whispered' Tsun moments, like she believes all she needs to do is get Asuna out of the way for Kirito to become hers or even take advantage of him unlike Suguha did (At least before she was seemingly shifted back again this update), despite having him completely at her mercy in the massage table for quite a while. Putting aside how she's obviously gonna end up disappointed in him one way or another, we KNOW she's doomed to fail from the get-go and not even because Kirito only wants Asuna, but because we know one of the endings is literally Kirito not knowing anything is going on, therefore we have already been 'Spoiled' that Liz's 'plan' (Which is very likely to expose Inoda and Asuna once he has fully 'stolen' the latter) WLL fail no matter what, even if we're not sure how just yet XP
Yeah, we also know that Liz won't be able to separate Asuna and Kirito, as Inoda wants Asuna to keep Kirito as a 'false boyfriend' for his own ego, I presume.^^

I also wonder why Fujino decided to make a Jon Snow ending instead of him finding out. Probably because it's just easier to keep things as they are, as you don't need to think about a reaction from Kirito. :unsure:
 
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Yeah, the flaw with how Fujino portrayed Liz's character is inherently that she's sabotaging herself more than anyone else could, she hasn't really made any TRUE efforts to endear herself in Kirito's eyes, especially with how short her temper is despite her 'whispered' Tsun moments, like she believes all she needs to do is get Asuna out of the way for Kirito to become hers or even take advantage of him unlike Suguha did (At least before she was seemingly shifted back again this update), despite having him completely at her mercy in the massage table for quite a while. Putting aside how she's obviously gonna end up disappointed in him one way or another, we KNOW she's doomed to fail from the get-go and not even because Kirito only wants Asuna, but because we know one of the endings is literally Kirito not knowing anything is going on, therefore we have already been 'Spoiled' that Liz's 'plan' (Which is very likely to expose Inoda and Asuna once he has fully 'stolen' the latter) WLL fail no matter what, even if we're not sure how just yet XP
She is expecting once Kirito losses Asuna, he would get with her because of her looks and maybe sex skills. Not thinking about why that would happen or what will happen when she gets him. It is just what should happen. Like that massage scene. Inoda researched and made Asuna feel good. Liz probably did nothing and expected Kirito to enjoy it but of course he didn't.

Her character is a type that does not get attention. We seen plenty of guys who thinks they are the hero and expect woman should want to be with them. We rarely see woman who thinks she is the heroine and expect the hero should want to be with her.
 
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She is expecting once Kirito losses Asuna, he would get with her because of her looks and maybe sex skills. Not thinking about why that would happen or what will happen when she gets him. It is just what should happen. Like that massage scene. Inoda researched and made Asuna feel good. Liz probably did nothing and expected Kirito to enjoy it but of course he didn't.

Her character is a type that does not get attention. We seen plenty of guys who thinks they are the hero and expect woman should want to be with them. We rarely see woman who thinks she is the heroine and expect the hero should want to be with her.
Wasn't it like the admin gave him the knowledge of how to massage? Not that it's much different from the usual way, the MC just watching some YouTube to learn how to massage :ROFLMAO:
 

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Yeah, the flaw with how Fujino portrayed Liz's character is inherently that she's sabotaging herself more than anyone else could, she hasn't really made any TRUE efforts to endear herself in Kirito's eyes, especially with how short her temper is despite her 'whispered' Tsun moments, like she believes all she needs to do is get Asuna out of the way for Kirito to become hers or even take advantage of him unlike Suguha did (At least before she was seemingly shifted back again this update), despite having him completely at her mercy in the massage table for quite a while. Putting aside how she's obviously gonna end up disappointed in him one way or another, we KNOW she's doomed to fail from the get-go and not even because Kirito only wants Asuna, but because we know one of the endings is literally Kirito not knowing anything is going on, therefore we have already been 'Spoiled' that Liz's 'plan' (Which is very likely to expose Inoda and Asuna once he has fully 'stolen' the latter) WLL fail no matter what, even if we're not sure how just yet XP
I was thinking about this. I don't think she wants Kirito for a typical love romance. Consider her scenes with Inoda; she's a cock-stomping, fem-dom dominatrix. And consider she enjoys, and got 'excited', by shocking Kirito in her lab. She's showing sadist tendencies. She wants to hurt Kirito by breaking up with Asuna, so that she can prey on him in an emotionally broken state, and maybe acquire him as her masochist sub-slave. Helping Inoda helps her first by breaking Kirito and Asuna up, and then can be used to humiliate him later.

I don't think Liz is even intended to end up falling for Inoda, at least at this point. Likewise I suspect Suguha won't. Maybe there will be a choice of routes for Kirito later; Liz, Sugu or Asuna (NTR or NTS).
 
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