RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.80] [Fujino]

[darkbatVX]

Why are you so fixated on your own fantasies?

If we're analyzing Fujino's story, all evidence must come from his actual writing. Whether it's his past works, leaked PERK drafts, or current dialogues—none support your claims.

This is Fujino's universe, and Inoda is clearly his self-insert avatar. If you're unhappy, make your own version—it's not like he encrypted the project files.

 

[darkbatVX]

Analogies and examples don’t require 100% identical elements—they exist to convey core similarities. I invoked Helen only to illustrate Asuna’s status as the supreme, unrivaled goddess of Fujino’s universe.

This conversation is exhausting. You consistently ignore my central arguments—whether intentionally or not—to hyperfocus on semantics, derailing discussions into trivialities. If you genuinely want debate instead of DJT-style ‘winning’, these rhetorical games are pathetic.

 

[Aniky Light]

some would like this to happen xD

 

[kinglionheart]

If Kirito ever loses his obsession with Asuna, the entire story would collapse—that’s simply unacceptable. I know meta-wise, most players now see her as a hypocritical, promiscuous villain. But in Fujino’s canon, she remains the Helen who sparked a Trojan War. Sugou, Inoda, Kirito—all are bewitched by her, and even side characters treat her as a goddess incarnate.

So face the truth: in Fujino’s universe, no matter how Kirito’s story ends, Asuna and Inoda will live happily ever after.

If Kirito ever stop loving Asuna then the NTR will end. NTR just can't exist without love. Without Kirito's love the story would be a ugly fat guy banging a hot girl way out of his league. Which is still porn but doesn't hit the same emotional beats as a NTR story would.

Women in NTR are usually treated as objects or objectives for men instead of a person. So in that sense Asuna is like Helen. Unlike Helen though not everyone will get a tragedy but someone will get a sad boner, probably Kirito.

As you said Inoda and Asuna will probably get a happy ending. It is unlikely Fujino will go out of his way to make another ending where they suffer unless his supporters really push for it.

 

[Aniky Light]

If Kirito ever stop loving Asuna then the NTR will end. NTR just can't exist without love. Without Kirito's love the story would be a ugly fat guy banging a hot girl way out of his league. Which is still porn but doesn't hit the same emotional beats as a NTR story would.

Women in NTR are usually treated as objects or objectives for men instead of a person. So in that sense Asuna is like Helen. Unlike Helen though not everyone will get a tragedy but someone will get a sad boner, probably Kirito.

As you said Inoda and Asuna will probably get a happy ending. It is unlikely Fujino will go out of his way to make another ending where they suffer unless his supporters really push for it.

a girl who gets drilled with a big cock every day doesn't seem like a happy ending to me, a girl who gets humiliated and called a slut doesn't seem like a happy ending to me, only Inoda is happy

 

[Aniky Light]

Anyway let's stop how it ends, nobody knows how it ends, only Fujino knows and if he wants, he can change history at will

 

[mos555]

If Kirito ever stop loving Asuna then the NTR will end. NTR just can't exist without love. Without Kirito's love the story would be a ugly fat guy banging a hot girl way out of his league. Which is still porn but doesn't hit the same emotional beats as a NTR story would.

Women in NTR are usually treated as objects or objectives for men instead of a person. So in that sense Asuna is like Helen. Unlike Helen though not everyone will get a tragedy but someone will get a sad boner, probably Kirito.

As you said Inoda and Asuna will probably get a happy ending. It is unlikely Fujino will go out of his way to make another ending where they suffer unless his supporters really push for it.

NTR does not work one way. The essence of NTR is that one of a pair of lovers is stolen, forced to have sex by force, blackmail, threats, or it's just rape. The victim is afraid, for example, because of blackmail or threats to the partner, but the partner himself does not suspect anything. NTR causes discomfort not because someone is cheating on someone, but because everything happens involuntarily.

For example, the village head threatens to put her husband in jail if the wife does not pay off the debt with her body. Or bandits threaten to kill the husband if the wife does not please them in bed. Or a neighbor threatens to post photos of his wife washing herself in the bathroom online and send them to her husband if she does not agree to sex. Usually, when the victim gets lost in lust and falls in love with the rapist, the game (or novel, or manga) ends.

At the moment, Kirito is not in any danger, Asuna is doing everything voluntarily, she is practically in love with Inoda, no threats, no blackmail. There is no NTR in this game. Just "cheating". And even then, this tag hardly holds on to Asuna and Kirito's fake relationship, just because Fujino said they were still together.

 

[mos555]

Analogies and examples don’t require 100% identical elements—they exist to convey core similarities. I invoked Helen only to illustrate Asuna’s status as the supreme, unrivaled goddess of Fujino’s universe.

This conversation is exhausting. You consistently ignore my central arguments—whether intentionally or not—to hyperfocus on semantics, derailing discussions into trivialities. If you genuinely want debate instead of DJT-style ‘winning’, these rhetorical games are pathetic.

Here you can say that you have some kind of strange fantasies. The supreme goddess of the Fujino universe? Then why show her as such a stupid, hypocritical whore? Fujino could easily force Asuna to succumb to blackmail or threats. But she ends up being a simple, weak-willed log, doing everything voluntarily, without any excuses. Elena must provoke a war - there is no war here, there is an incomprehensible Kirito, a piece of furniture - Asuna and a psychotic rapist Inoda.

The supreme goddess... Why not Aphrodite? A goddess who was once in love with Hermes, but ended up fucking everyone, like a whore, lol.

 

[kinglionheart]

NTR does not work one way. The essence of NTR is that one of a pair of lovers is stolen, forced to have sex by force, blackmail, threats, or it's just rape. The victim is afraid, for example, because of blackmail or threats to the partner, but the partner himself does not suspect anything. NTR causes discomfort not because someone is cheating on someone, but because everything happens involuntarily.

For example, the village head threatens to put her husband in jail if the wife does not pay off the debt with her body. Or bandits threaten to kill the husband if the wife does not please them in bed. Or a neighbor threatens to post photos of his wife washing herself in the bathroom online and send them to her husband if she does not agree to sex. Usually, when the victim gets lost in lust and falls in love with the rapist, the game (or novel, or manga) ends.

At the moment, Kirito is not in any danger, Asuna is doing everything voluntarily, she is practically in love with Inoda, no threats, no blackmail. There is no NTR in this game. Just "cheating". And even then, this tag hardly holds on to Asuna and Kirito's fake relationship, just because Fujino said they were still together.

Yes NTR is about stealing a loved one way but it doesn't need the woman to be forced to cheat. There are stories where the man and woman are not even in a relationship but the man loves the woman so if she is with another he feels the same betrayed feelings. Since NTR is really about the guy, the most important factor for NTR is the man still loves the woman. Like if the guy doesn't even care then what is the point of taking her from him?

 

[mos555]

Yes NTR is about stealing a loved one way but it doesn't need the woman to be forced to cheat. There are stories where the man and woman are not even in a relationship but the man loves the woman so if she is with another he feels the same betrayed feelings. Since NTR is really about the guy, the most important factor for NTR is the man still loves the woman. Like if the guy doesn't even care then what is the point of taking her from him?

Maybe that's the case now, I won't argue. This is noticeable by the amount of shit in the NTR genre. Perhaps the genres of the eastern genre - NTR and the western genre - cheating, have mixed up and we have what exists now. But usually the NTR genre has clear patterns - The presence of a married or in love couple and the bully character who wants to get someone else's woman through threats or violence. As soon as a strange woman fell in love with a rapist or became pregnant by him, the game was over. And more often than not, by the way, the NTR story is a story about a woman and bully, not a man who is being cheated on. Just like Fujino's game, this is a story about Asuna and Inoda, not Kirito. Kirito has his own story about the Council and the investigation, and in the case of Asuna and Inoda, Kirito is just an observer. Only Asuna's behavior initially doesn't fit into the NTR framework. The relationship with Kirito is poorly shown, the minimal sense of guilt (a couple of times in the status, a couple of times mentally apologized to Kirito) and the complete approval of Inoda's desires.

Oh, it used to be better...

 

[kinglionheart]

Oh, it used to be better...

boomer mentality!

 

[mos555]

boomer mentality!

 

[Aniky Light]

Maybe that's the case now, I won't argue. This is noticeable by the amount of shit in the NTR genre. Perhaps the genres of the eastern genre - NTR and the western genre - cheating, have mixed up and we have what exists now. But usually the NTR genre has clear patterns - The presence of a married or in love couple and the bully character who wants to get someone else's woman through threats or violence. As soon as a strange woman fell in love with a rapist or became pregnant by him, the game was over. And more often than not, by the way, the NTR story is a story about a woman and bully, not a man who is being cheated on. Just like Fujino's game, this is a story about Asuna and Inoda, not Kirito. Kirito has his own story about the Council and the investigation, and in the case of Asuna and Inoda, Kirito is just an observer. Only Asuna's behavior initially doesn't fit into the NTR framework. The relationship with Kirito is poorly shown, the minimal sense of guilt (a couple of times in the status, a couple of times mentally apologized to Kirito) and the complete approval of Inoda's desires.

Oh, it used to be better...
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"he's just an observer"

 

[mos555]

"he's just an observer"
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Don't indulge someone's weird fetishes. I meant that the player has no choice but to watch anyway. Although initially, all that distinguishes Kirito from this is that he can walk. Call Suguha! She'll clear Kirito's mind through his cock.

 

[Aniky Light]

Don't indulge someone's weird fetishes. I meant that the player has no choice but to watch anyway.

Kirito is the one who explains to us how NTR happens.
I don't like playing by the rules of the game, there aren't even choices to make and if there are, they won't bring anything satisfying, we will always end up in the limbo of despair

 

[Hentai7891]

some would like this to happen xD View attachment 4789378

really handicap ntr is good thing? that don't sound good, if mc unable move around a lot place less content. like asuna get fuck in back alley the mc know about it unable to do anything.

 

[Aniky Light]

I have a feeling that Fujino is on the verge of exhaustion

 

[Aniky Light]

really handicap ntr is good thing? that don't sound good, if mc unable move around a lot place less content. like asuna get fuck in back alley the mc know about it unable to do anything.

I know, but there are some who would like Kirito to become a brain-dead cripple, don't take it personally, they have strange tastes xD

 

[Infeno2.0]

One thing that everyone misses is NTR is about corruption with or without violence and is basically a male power fantasy
Cheating is about immorality misplaced fellings and a poor idea of adventure and love and it's basically a female power fantasy.
People have the tendency to combine them as they were the same thing but they are very different.
And if Fujino self insert himself in the story he's playing netori as the bull while the rest of us are cucks playing netorare, let that sink in.

 

[Aniky Light]

In my opinion, Fujino did not answer the questions because they certainly pushed for potential spoilers.