Terix3

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The answer is simple, you think too much when you think that you are going to find logic in an NTR game, if you have played part 1 you realize that it has a better narrative than the second part that is because some lols wanted the game to be as generic as possible protesting to focus more on this or that why I took out of the picture the work Fujino wanted to do
Not all NTR games are absolutely stupid with total lack sense, also you can not just abandon logic and sense - people will not get invested in story, characters and thus ntr will lack kick. But fundamentally you often can overlook NTR stupidity because once the deed is done things go with the flow. That is not the case here, you experience the stupidity over and over again. I think the underlying problem is that the dev wants to eat cake and have cake. Asuna is supposed to be pure and innocent yet willingly cheat on MC. How is that supposed to make sense? I notice now that corruption tag is missing too.

Another thing is that NTR games in general rigged against the MC. But again this is being overdone here. It is kinda like with plot armor, protag is being thrown out of the window but luckily falls on garbage bags. If its done once or twice it’s whatever. But the NTR plot armor here is being used over and over to the point of ridiculousness.

I give you that first part is better than second. I got bored of second, after several hours the plot hardly progressed, too many side characters I don’t care about and the same stupidity is being repeated over and over.
 
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Not all NTR games are absolutely stupid with total lack sense, also you can not just abandon logic and sense - people will not get invested in story, characters and thus ntr will lack kick. But fundamentally you often can overlook NTR stupidity because once the deed is done things go with the flow. That is not the case here, you experience the stupidity over and over again. I think the underlying problem is that the dev wants to eat cake and have cake. Asuna is supposed to be pure and innocent yet willingly cheat on MC. How is that supposed to make sense? I notice now that corruption tag is missing too.

Another thing is that NTR games in general rigged against the MC. But again this is being overdone here. It is kinda like with plot armor, protag is being thrown out of the window but luckily falls on garbage bags. If its done once or twice it’s whatever. But the NTR plot armor here is being used over and over to the point of ridiculousness.

I give you that first part is better than second. I got bored of second, after several hours the plot hardly progressed, too many side characters I don’t care about and the same stupidity is being repeated over and over.
logic in ntr that bullshit ?? tell me any ntr game have logic and make sense this not in real life, you guy talk it like fujino can make super good and peak story he is game dev not writer
 
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Eh so all the setup didn't amount to much
"Asuna, why did you let him fuck you ?" "Well, he asked very nicely."
"… Asuna I like your fingers so much , I would love to have one on my key chain. Could I cut one off? Small one will be enough! Pwetty pleeease!!!"
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Yea putting it simply dev couldn’t follow with the original vision he had. It really shows in later parts and second game doesn’t have the switch anymore.

This game is narrative driven still, most of the time you are reading. Also VN can be about seeing as much as RPGM are.
Combat could be replaced easily enough (since here the combat purpose not to provide gameplay element but to showcase the combat groping) honestly I find it strange there is no renpy port. It would take me 1/5th of time to complete it if the game was in renpy, RPGM are exceptional at wasting your time with those transitions.
me not think asuna dumb i just think her need therapy because her always think her hurt people feeling
 
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I was just happy that Asuna finally had some "okay i actually like this" hearts during the tent scene. The whole logic jerk to explain why she does what she does is getting stale.
 

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Not all NTR games are absolutely stupid with total lack sense, also you can not just abandon logic and sense - people will not get invested in story, characters and thus ntr will lack kick. But fundamentally you often can overlook NTR stupidity because once the deed is done things go with the flow. That is not the case here, you experience the stupidity over and over again. I think the underlying problem is that the dev wants to eat cake and have cake. Asuna is supposed to be pure and innocent yet willingly cheat on MC. How is that supposed to make sense? I notice now that corruption tag is missing too.

Another thing is that NTR games in general rigged against the MC. But again this is being overdone here. It is kinda like with plot armor, protag is being thrown out of the window but luckily falls on garbage bags. If its done once or twice it’s whatever. But the NTR plot armor here is being used over and over to the point of ridiculousness.

I give you that first part is better than second. I got bored of second, after several hours the plot hardly progressed, too many side characters I don’t care about and the same stupidity is being repeated over and over.
lmao i tottaly agree with what u said
but if we try to use logic on NTR games it will never ever ever work lack of common sense and logic in NTR games is beyond what our logic could handle XD
like in this game i remember one funny thing about Kirito and asuna when they were in the kitchen and she gave him BJ and when he asked her to swallow it she got mad at him while she literally luaghs at the Pig"inoda" dirty jokes and accepts anything from him XD
like i dont understand where's the pure and innocent GIRL that they are talking about here
and like u said before

"Asuna, why did you let him fuck you ?" "Well, he asked very nicely."
it was funny man xD
 
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Not all NTR games are absolutely stupid with total lack sense, also you can not just abandon logic and sense - people will not get invested in story, characters and thus ntr will lack kick. But fundamentally you often can overlook NTR stupidity because once the deed is done things go with the flow. That is not the case here, you experience the stupidity over and over again. I think the underlying problem is that the dev wants to eat cake and have cake. Asuna is supposed to be pure and innocent yet willingly cheat on MC. How is that supposed to make sense? I notice now that corruption tag is missing too.

Another thing is that NTR games in general rigged against the MC. But again this is being overdone here. It is kinda like with plot armor, protag is being thrown out of the window but luckily falls on garbage bags. If its done once or twice it’s whatever. But the NTR plot armor here is being used over and over to the point of ridiculousness.

I give you that first part is better than second. I got bored of second, after several hours the plot hardly progressed, too many side characters I don’t care about and the same stupidity is being repeated over and over.
That's why most developers go for blackmail; it's an understandable and easy-to-use concept, which can exaggerate elements similar to Stockholm syndrome. For more realistic stories, you need actual writing skills.
 

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why do you guys keep arguing about this? It is just a game and enjoy it. Besides Asuna has already been fucking by Inoda and starting to get used to it. She just need to find a good reason for it now. There is nothing can stop their feeling toward each other with sex from this time on. Just accept it and jerk off
 

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why do you guys keep arguing about this? It is just a game and enjoy it. Besides Asuna has already been fucking by Inoda and starting to get used to it. She just need to find a good reason for it now. There is nothing can stop their feeling toward each other with sex from this time on. Just accept it and jerk off
It may be hard to believe, but not everybody is here to jerk off. I just consume them as games with themes you don't see in mainstream titles. :alien:
 

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That's why most developers go for blackmail; it's an understandable and easy-to-use concept, which can exaggerate elements similar to Stockholm syndrome. For more realistic stories, you need actual writing skills.
Its rooted in reality right, that is why it is so easy to understand and logical. The real life reasons for betraying beloved : materialistic/ prostitution , blackmail and “relationship crisis” that is all really. There is also rape/drugged but that is non-consensual and is not quite betrayal but is useful. Can't be more realistic than that, writing skills are really about blending the fore mentioned to create something fresh.

lmao i tottaly agree with what u said
but if we try to use logic on NTR games it will never ever ever work lack of common sense and logic in NTR games is beyond what our logic could handle XD
It is not that NTR need to be logical, It is about being able to maintain suspense of disbelief. Girl acting unreasonably once should not break it, but when it keeps repeating...

like in this game i remember one funny thing about Kirito and asuna when they were in the kitchen and she gave him BJ and when he asked her to swallow it she got mad at him while she literally luaghs at the Pig"inoda" dirty jokes and accepts anything from him XD
Inconsistency in characters easily breaks suspense of disbelief. For me it is the most unbelievable that she is so much about not hurting Inoda feelings and spares no thought for Kirito feelings. "He doesn't know" isn't an answer here, this is not how conscience works.
 
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if you continue like this guys, they are going to close the thread again. :KEK: :KEK: :KEK: :KEK: :KEK:
Why? I don't believe mods got anything against civil discussion that is related to the game.

why do you guys keep arguing about this? It is just a game and enjoy it. Besides Asuna has already been fucking by Inoda and starting to get used to it. She just need to find a good reason for it now. There is nothing can stop their feeling toward each other with sex from this time on. Just accept it and jerk off
Exchanging thoughts is fundamental to understanding others. I'm sure interested how others see my points and what is the difference in our perception, is it mere difference in tolerance for "illogical" behavior.

I didn't get to that point you are mentioning I'm afraid. Me when Inoda was playing the "I understand you don't want to x because I'm ugly" card yet another time :

BTW. Is the thread creation date representative for when work on this game started? Like 1y2m for part 1+2?
 
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Its rooted in reality right, that is why it is so easy to understand and logical. The real life reasons for betraying beloved : materialistic/ prostitution , blackmail and “relationship crisis” that is all really. There is also rape/drugged but that is non-consensual and is not quite betrayal but is useful. Can't be more realistic than that, writing skills are really about blending the fore mentioned to create something fresh.


It is not that NTR need to be logical, It is about being able to maintain suspense of disbelief. Girl acting unreasonably once should not break it, but when it keeps repeating...


Inconsistency in characters easily breaks suspense of disbelief. For me it is the most unbelievable that she is so much about not hurting Inoda feelings and spares no thought for Kirito feelings. "He doesn't know" isn't an answer here, this is not how conscience works.
like u said she is caring for Inoda's feelings more than her boyfriend the hypocrisy is at it's peak my friend xD :ROFLMAO:
when she started to care more about Inoda's feeling more than kirito that was when the real cheating happend
like in her states it says that she loves kirito the most and blah blah blah but in reality she doesn't give a fuk about him right now she is just delusional if she thinks that she loves him while she actually more into Inoda's dick xD
 

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The best thing of netorare media, be that fanfiction, games or doujins, is always the discussions where people just say their most nonsensical takes on the subject matter.

The game is filled with things to rightly critique without holding back, but some of the complaints I have been seeing are just wack.

I don't want to start pointing finger post by post, but people should understand that having self-imposed expectations of the game, which it never promised nor delivered is not a valid complaint.


That's why most developers go for blackmail; it's an understandable and easy-to-use concept, which can exaggerate elements similar to Stockholm syndrome. For more realistic stories, you need actual writing skills.
Actually, I would say that the reason as to why so many authors end up relying on the non-consensual tropes (blackmail, coercion, rape, etc) is due to the inevitability of the paradoxical nature of what people want from NTR. Most of the readers of the genre want a perfect heroine that would never betray their partner, and that only through the happenings of the plot, such a pure and pristine heroine is corrupted into a slut.

But with such a premise, it Inmediatly limits almost all manners of plots where she could be willingly cheating on their partner.

The most realistic case of NTR would be, something that happens all the time in the real world, is that one of the two people in the relationship would simply cheat for their own pleasure not intending for the affair to mean much of anything, then ending up falling for their new lover throughout the affair.

The problem would be that most people would not enjoy the netorare element of a game such a premise, because there wouldn't be a transition of corruption from Loving Wife/Girlfriend/etc to cheating slut. Instead, the wife/girlfriend/etc already was such 'bitch' from their very beginning.
 

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Does anyone know if there will be a scene where Azuna drinks the 'special' coffee? That would be great. As for the rest, I hope that the new side characters stop taking time from Asuna's inevitable fall LOL
 

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Monday again, everyone ready for Fujino-sensei's next progress report after another exciting (And thankfully not thread-closing) talk about the lack of realism of most NTR plots both in this game and others XD?
they care for realism in ntr plot but me here for fujino and sex scene we not the same inoda dick big than kirito so her will always choice inoda
 
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like u said she is caring for Inoda's feelings more than her boyfriend the hypocrisy is at it's peak my friend xD :ROFLMAO:
when she started to care more about Inoda's feeling more than kirito that was when the real cheating happend
like in her states it says that she loves kirito the most and blah blah blah but in reality she doesn't give a fuk about him right now she is just delusional if she thinks that she loves him while she actually more into Inoda's dick xD
more like her coping and this happen for a lot ntr
 

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more like her coping and this happen for a lot ntr
lol i just find it funny if u look at her in game states it's almost max 999/999 or less by two or three points and that's it but still the 300+/500 for inoda makes her more into Inoda the game doesn't make sense to me or her states in the game to be more clear
 
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