Fellas, any way to start from the point where MC is in the hospital? My Save is old and fucked, crashes all the time
Infeno2.0
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I think the problem here is not only related to the fans feedback/wishes that Fujino tried to fufill, but the way he develop the story itself.Gaming history shows that devs who only make what fans demand crash and burn time and time again, while games that no one asked for become surprise hits or legendary franchises. Especially with NSFW games there's a large amount of failed and cancelled games as devs lost focus and direction after listening to their "fans" too much. Certainly there is constructive feedback too, but that's different from constantly adhering to "what the fans want". The problem is that every player has different needs and they all want them fulfilled - and for every wish the dev fulfills, they potentially lose a part of their own idea. The outcome then is almost always the same, some people hate it, some people love it, some buy it, others don't, so in the end all the wish-chasing isn't even that helpful financially.
At the end of the day I firmly believe that Fujino/devs should just create what they personally want. People with similar preferences will love it all the more, and that approach helps a dev work more efficiently rather than having to worry about wish-fulfillment for others.
Sorry, more generic dev ramble.Most players/fans really shouldn't be listened to when a dev has a clear vision in mind. Devs should follow their plans and try to make the best game they can, based on their own standards.
Some of the most amazing pieces of art don't exist because other people wanted it but because someone had an idea and pulled through without bending over to other people's wishes.
Fujnio did change the story according to the feedback but not that much as many people think, he sacked hebishima and include Alice because the fans and minor things like some positions in scenes and clothes, but that was the extent of the fans influence, anything else he did from the get go.
NTR/Corruption was the main argument/genre, in the beginning we had NTR classic and Family NTR with some Voyerism, concise and focused, but Fujino in order to make the story big started to add more in the mix, Hypnosis, Blackmail, BDSM, Femdom, RTNR, Incest and mind control, some of those can and some can't work well with NTR we see them as Tropes but they also are genres of porn by themselfs.
And here is the problem for all that Fujino cound't use only the trio Kirito, Asuna and Inoda so he end up creating several plot lines and introducing several characters to make use of all these tropes which only led to competition inside the story.
Subplots should support the main plot and not compete with, here we have several subplots competing for space with the main plot because they can be a main plot on itself, for instance you can remove the Asuna inoda main plot and this will make almost no difference for the Sugu/Sinon subplot, they didin't complement each other for almost the entire story and vice versa.
This is so true that you can basically skip the content for Sugu/Sinon and still have a good grasp on the main story, which goes against the importance Fujino gave to these subplots, because if they are so important to the main story why the player can skip them? this end up looking as wasted time and resourses for basically nothing.
So in the end Fujino is doing the best he can to accomodate all his ideas, but since there's too many of them the story is all over the place now, he tried to put too many cookies in the same jar.
I haven't been here for ages and people are arguing about Suguha again?Dude, are you really blaming a fictional character for ruining your gaming experience? Lmao. You do realize her character and story are solely the product of Fujino’s imagination; it’s not like she has her own will, you know. Just admit you don’t agree with the author’s vision for the game and move on.
Jeez, it’s actually getting worse in here
MultiMythos
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Is there a way to see all the Prurience scenes, the ones that require certain amounts of it? I just finished a really long playthrough of this but didn't realize what gave me that and missed so many of them
Also excited to see where the adult Yui, Sinon and Lis stuff goes with Inoda. Did not expect this to be so long nor for me to like it as much.
Also excited to see where the adult Yui, Sinon and Lis stuff goes with Inoda. Did not expect this to be so long nor for me to like it as much.
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DreamingOfPinkLips
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Not quite what I tried to say, but I know everyone has a difference stance on that topic. I never said Fujino should work for free. But it's a mistake to think of him being employed and owned by his fans. That's not a healthy way of working for a creator.
What I'm saying is that money comes to creators who make amazing things. Regardless of mainstream games or niche NSFW indie titles, if someone has a cool vision and there are people who like that vision, they will support. Think of it like that: A creator has kinks and fetishes that they love, and there are people out there in this world who love the same things as them. So if Fujino loves something and commits to it, he'll get supporters with similar preferences enjoying what he does.
In other words, people supporting a creator because they like their work, rather than a creator only working on stuff that some vocal individuals told them to do.
Unless it's commissioned work, the moment a creator starts to think that they can only continue to exist by fulfilling the requests of their fans, they've become a working drone, no longer a real creative mind but just a wish fulfillment tool for others. The risk of losing focus, driving into narrative dead-ends and disappointing fans is much higher when listening to them in the first place, as that compromises the artistic vision / the dev's own plan.
kinglionheart
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It is the sad truth but if Fujino takes money from people then he is if not employed by his supporters then at least beholden to them. There are people who just wants Fujino to keep making the best products but if Fujino keeps making things they don't like then they will stop supporting him. Fujino like all creators who take money from others can't do whatever they want even if they know other's opinions are crap. I agree this way is limiting creativity and makes worst products but unless there is a way for Fujino not be bothered with money there is no realistic way for Fujino to not listen his loud supporters.
Aniky Light
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If only Hebishima was the bull of this story instead of Inoda. Maybe I would have hated it a little less. Hebishima is a horrible person but at least he had some masculine traits... one can imagine some women wanting a guy like him. Whereas Inoda it's a joke that anybody would want to spend 5 seconds near him.
Aniky Light
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If Hebishima hadn't been eliminated, I would have put him in competition against Inoda to conquer only one woman, Asuna, I can already imagine the war xD
Man when is the next update dropping. Been waiting for quite some time now. Does anyone know if the games has an Discord link or something to get the latest news about it.
skizzat93
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the same as always, he release the update at the end of the month
for update read this thread, someone post the progress update each week, or follow on patreon so you receive them in the email
Honestly, I don't know why people are so invested in this game to warrant actual arguments about it lol. Sure, I can understand the og gooners feeling a bit cheated that their time and or money is being focused on creative decisions they don't enjoy. However, I feel as though fujino has been very honest about what he wanted trap of breath to be: an ambitious project. Some other porn brained autists may disagree with me on this but I think this is fujino's first "real" game. His fate games felt like someone trying to improve their skills within the medium they enjoy. But Trap of Breath has always felt like someone trying to finish their first big project. So of course there are mistakes. Of course there are questionable decisions. But do you really think this is where fujino is going to peak?
Fujino is a working man's pervert. With every up date he improves. With every update he's getting closer and closer to finsihing his most ambitious project. And with every update he is also crafting a new game for us to goon too with all the experience that trap of breath has given him.
If you don't like the direction the game is going that's fine. I didn't write this post to try to change anyone's opinion. Rather, I would ask you to change your perspective and enjoy the game for what it is. Not what you imagine it "could" be. Because regardless of the new update's actual quality, it feels as though many of you want to play the perfect trap of breath that exists in your head. And not the trap of breath that Fujino is making. Speaking from experience going into any piece of media with that mindest is just going to ruin it for you no matter how good or bad the actual thing you're engaging with is.
Fujino is a working man's pervert. With every up date he improves. With every update he's getting closer and closer to finsihing his most ambitious project. And with every update he is also crafting a new game for us to goon too with all the experience that trap of breath has given him.
If you don't like the direction the game is going that's fine. I didn't write this post to try to change anyone's opinion. Rather, I would ask you to change your perspective and enjoy the game for what it is. Not what you imagine it "could" be. Because regardless of the new update's actual quality, it feels as though many of you want to play the perfect trap of breath that exists in your head. And not the trap of breath that Fujino is making. Speaking from experience going into any piece of media with that mindest is just going to ruin it for you no matter how good or bad the actual thing you're engaging with is.
I just reached at the scene where Asuna's first back door (anal) training began in the church after curing inoda's ED , but before church scene they were talking about how use of back door only should be done in special occasion.
I can't remember there was any talk or scene about Anal training before this moment. Can someone explain me if I might've missed something
I can't remember there was any talk or scene about Anal training before this moment. Can someone explain me if I might've missed something
How to enable?Guys, I just want to share the fixed plugin (I asked ChatGPT to fixed it
No more lagging when the left text/message windows appear.
I also fixed the cutted-off text on the left side window.
Just extract the file into www/js/plugins and overwrite.
Edit:Make sure the SoR_GabWindow_Left.js is enabled on your www/js/plugins.js
my only issue with this game is that
Hebishima should've been the main character. Him taking asuna would have made sense i mean he is good looking, in shape, is not a pushover and is great at sex from what we see in the few scenes he has between the first game and this game. Not to mention they are neighbors so him hitting on her daily and eventually wearing her defense down enough to sleep with her would seem natural. If he was the main character it would've made total sense for Asuna to fall for him since he would be on par with kirito in most cases.
Inoda being the MC and asuna falling for him just seems so out of left field cause her leaving someone like kirito to cheat with a massive downgrade inoda who is the exact opposite in every way fat, ugly, stinks and a huge coward his only redeeming factor is his dick.
Hebishima should've been the main character. Him taking asuna would have made sense i mean he is good looking, in shape, is not a pushover and is great at sex from what we see in the few scenes he has between the first game and this game. Not to mention they are neighbors so him hitting on her daily and eventually wearing her defense down enough to sleep with her would seem natural. If he was the main character it would've made total sense for Asuna to fall for him since he would be on par with kirito in most cases.
Inoda being the MC and asuna falling for him just seems so out of left field cause her leaving someone like kirito to cheat with a massive downgrade inoda who is the exact opposite in every way fat, ugly, stinks and a huge coward his only redeeming factor is his dick.