RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [verβ1] [Fujino]

[4-kun]

Well, the curse (seal) of lust could work in virtual reality, and then switch to the real world because of, for example, antennas. It was so simple and obvious that I'm even surprised why Fujino didn't use it.

In the case of Sugo's mental influence, somewhere at the end of the game there should be a scene where Asuna "wakes up" and thinks "What's wrong with me, it wasn't me, why did I do all this?" But it can't stop anymore because the body got used to it. This would bring the relationship between Asuna and Kirito back to its previous level, and Asuna's carnal desires would bring NTR back into the game.
Fujino, if you're here, use this idea.

sounds like another soft reset for part 3

 

[Queen_Nothing]

In the case of Sugo's mental influence, somewhere at the end of the game there should be a scene where Asuna "wakes up" and thinks "What's wrong with me, it wasn't me, why did I do all this?" But it can't stop anymore because the body got used to it. This would bring the relationship between Asuna and Kirito back to its previous level, and Asuna's carnal desires would bring NTR back into the game.
Fujino, if you're here, use this idea.

That's what I'm hoping this update is, really. Reaffirming their love to bring forth Yui, then Asuna logs off and has marathon sweaty sex with Inoda.

I think one day she'll get her memories with Sugou back and she'll be in full, crazy cheating mode. But we gotta restore the loving relationship between Asuna and Kirito to make it hit hard. But I don't think the girls in Fujino's works are usually able to balance true love and sex addiction, I think they usually just fall in love with the NTR antagonist. Remembering what I know of the perks list, it seems Asuna is going to just shift her love towards Inoda and have to put up a fake relationship with Kirito.

 

[seifukulover]

Well, the problem here is rather that Fujino decided to expand the lore and character of Inoda. In other games, there are homeless people who shouldn't even have a dick because of their lifestyle and health. Or fat 50-year-old guys who spent their whole lives drinking beer and sitting on the couch. Where does their stamina come from? But there are such characters so that in the game, parallel to NTR, there is also an element of humiliation for the heroine. Like, "she's so horny that she doesn't care who she fucks with, even bums." It's just necessary to show how degraded the heroine is, and the homeless themselves are just dolls for the stage. But in the case of Inoda, Fujino expanded the character's story and ended up with something strange. Fat guy 18+ years old, psychopath, rapist, manipulator. With unlimited stamina and divine luck. Extremely unrealistic. It would be better if Inoda remained just a wooden log with a big dick.

I will give Fujino credit, because he really knows how to write a loathsome villain. It doesn't matter that his powers and luck are unrealistic, because they're just meant to show how much of a threat the villain is. And hating the villain is a good thing, because it pays off in the end when you see him defeated.

My problem with the whole NTR thing is that the author directly tells us "This villain is going to win and there's no payoff for you". I guess we're just supposed to enjoy the ride until we reach the bad ending?

 

[aa-aa-aa]

I don't get the notion of people wanting realism in this story. So what if the character is fat and slow. He just need to be good at fuckin. The negatives makes the humiliation even deeper. Its like losing sports to a shittier team while being the best. This is the reason why there are tons of NTR involving UB.
Also there is no proper NTR. It exist in a spectrum it's complex. Some stories involves destroying the relationship while some hides it. Some instantaneous while some like a slow burn. The reason for how the characters gets stolen also differs albeit from big dick or just emotional wanting somebody. Especially reading novels marketed for females. Sometimes you just ride a sinking ship and that's okay. If the author wanted no winning then so be it. Sometimes people read Shakespear even knowing it'll end in a tragedy.

 

[oozaru2023]

I still believe that the survey that Fujino sensei made for the second part was a terrible decision because of which there was a decline in the plot, although the NTR is quite understandable, not simply because he takes the girl away from the MC and that's it, but there are many things that are in favor of INODA and that cuckito let pass or forgot, such as his neglect of Asuna to satisfy her sexually, a terrible lover and who does everything wrong, he behaves even more immaturely than INODA himself.

 

[gaka200]

To be fair to Fujino and most other NTR authors out there. They should not have the knowledge and experience of writing about NTR, I hope. So everyone is just copying what others have done. Part 1 did do a good job for the relationship of Kirito and Asuna. I did feel they were strongest emotionally, not physically. But that had the problem not having any realistic way to break them up so Part 2 broke that relationship to make the NTR happen. A catch-22 situation for Fujino. Either keep their relationship strong but no actual NTR can happen or break their relationship but it doesn't feel like NTR anymore.

I am glad you mention those other games because I remember liking them in the beginning but quickly lost interest since it got so boring and the sex scenes were not very hot. This game kept me invested for the extra hot sex scene and interesting premise of VR world but it is time for a change.

tl;dr
It is what it is.

Anyways I'm still happy for what we got out of it overall.
For things to analyze on where things went wrong, the major things to me is the end of Part 1 and the introduction of the council. I am a personal fan of Sinon content, and find the Suguha content amusing, but their subplots and the soft reset were bad ideas in the grand scheme of things. And yes, I know I usually defend the soft reset, it's more me defending that based off the events of the stormy night, the soft reset needed to happen. The issue is more that if I remember correctly, the people at the time when Part 1 was going to end were being very vocal about wanting a major Asuna scene. I don't know if Fujino was coerced/convinced to rush that part, but it honestly didn't need to happen. In regards to Sinon and Suguha, it's mainly the council part. Suguha could probably have thrived fine, and Sinon just get further pushed aside as a nobody side character.

But yeah, it is what it is.

 

[toxicduo]

God I'll be disappointed if the love room is only used for lovey, wholesome purposes while Inoda is stuck with Liz.

But that actually kinda makes sense cause inoda still has to fully corrupt liz so while kirito and asuna are having there lovey dovey moment, liz could get jealous enough (or inoda gets horny enough) for them to have sex as well while there separated from the group.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

tl;dr
It is what it is.

Anyways I'm still happy for what we got out of it overall.
For things to analyze on where things went wrong, the major things to me is the end of Part 1 and the introduction of the council. I am a personal fan of Sinon content, and find the Suguha content amusing, but their subplots and the soft reset were bad ideas in the grand scheme of things. And yes, I know I usually defend the soft reset, it's more me defending that based off the events of the stormy night, the soft reset needed to happen. The issue is more that if I remember correctly, the people at the time when Part 1 was going to end were being very vocal about wanting a major Asuna scene. I don't know if Fujino was coerced/convinced to rush that part, but it honestly didn't need to happen. In regards to Sinon and Suguha, it's mainly the council part. Suguha could probably have thrived fine, and Sinon just get further pushed aside as a nobody side character.

But yeah, it is what it is.

Yeah, Suguha was fine on her own, but Fujino clearly wanted to rush the story and tying her plot to Sinon's after weidly make her a super-important-background-plot character was the fastest way of combining all the plots into one he could think of, apparently, which is why we ended up getting what we did XP It's honestly sad because all that it achieved aside from artificially giving Sugu 'more resources' and giving a more 'realistic' excuse for her to not have to keep up her job at the brothel is to once again give her a 'possible losing condition', which she no longer had after getting rid of Hebishima: Now if Sinon gets fucked over by the council, there is a non-zero chance Sugu gets dragged down too just by helping her, which would suck.

 

[4-kun]

tl;dr
It is what it is.

Anyways I'm still happy for what we got out of it overall.
For things to analyze on where things went wrong, the major things to me is the end of Part 1 and the introduction of the council. I am a personal fan of Sinon content, and find the Suguha content amusing, but their subplots and the soft reset were bad ideas in the grand scheme of things. And yes, I know I usually defend the soft reset, it's more me defending that based off the events of the stormy night, the soft reset needed to happen. The issue is more that if I remember correctly, the people at the time when Part 1 was going to end were being very vocal about wanting a major Asuna scene. I don't know if Fujino was coerced/convinced to rush that part, but it honestly didn't need to happen. In regards to Sinon and Suguha, it's mainly the council part. Suguha could probably have thrived fine, and Sinon just get further pushed aside as a nobody side character.

But yeah, it is what it is.

I agree on the Admin plotline, but imho, Liz's addition was unnecessary too. Her part could've been taken over by side characters from the first part instead of taking away their screen time just to squeeze in a new character. And then there's also Alice...

 

[seifukulover]

Sometimes people read Shakespear even knowing it'll end in a tragedy.

A good point. But then again, this ain't Shakespeare...

 

[Aniky Light]

I still believe that the survey that Fujino sensei made for the second part was a terrible decision because of which there was a decline in the plot, although the NTR is quite understandable, not simply because he takes the girl away from the MC and that's it, but there are many things that are in favor of INODA and that cuckito let pass or forgot, such as his neglect of Asuna to satisfy her sexually, a terrible lover and who does everything wrong, he behaves even more immaturely than INODA himself.

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but if Asuna knows that Kirito can't satisfy her and also has little stamina and therefore it's useless for Kirito to try, then if Kirito behaves immaturely, then Asuna behaves indifferently, while Inoda behaves... well, we know how he behaves, he's certainly not a good guy as the blind people of the first part thought

 

[Sarolt]

Its ironic how most of the worst aspects of part 2 are resulted from the questionary organized by Fujino at the beginning of part 2.

In a way, the supporters and general audience of Fujino cucked themselves while hoping to get a more slow burn emotional NTR story, but receiving a half-baked unfocused NTR cliché filled story.

Alice came to be thanks to her being voted/chosen in the questionary. Alice story could have been easily given to NPCs or just be a quest in FOG, and Alice screen time repurposed to better secondary stories.

Hebishima was removed from the story thanks to the voice of the Fujino audience shared in the questionary. Hebishima was a stereotypical NTR protagonist, but at least his role and actions in the story were consistent in part 1 and some of part 2 before it was softly removed and then gender bent.

The council existence in the current form, most likely, exist because of Alice inclusion in the story and the decision to remove Hebishima from the story. Without Hebishima there was no source of secondary NTR events.

Sugu and Sinon plot merge resulted again from Hebishima removal and people choosing in the questionary to have Kirito be able to have sex with other girls. It would have been better for Sugu and Sinon story to be kept separate or at least joined as Fujino originally intended. And Kiritio could still be getting scenes with Sugu and Sinon, but this time they would have been conditioned by Hebishima as a way to demonstrate his dominance and corruption of Sugu and Sinon to an unknowing Kirito.

Kyoko and Liz underuse in the story is due to the choice of going too far with the slow burn and for Fujino inexperience with this type of setup for a NTR story. If Fujino had kept to his usual pacing for the story and just moved focus to other character when he needed to slow down and shift focus, then we would have had more diverse events and more unpredictable story telling.

As things are now, we are basically waiting for each update cycle to recycle ideas and content from part 1 and other Fujino games but with the extra addition of having several events to get what in the past was done with just a longer scene or a buildup made from exploring the map and a payoff from witnessing another perspective for the scene.

 

[gaka200]

I agree on the Admin plotline, but imho, Liz's addition was unnecessary too. Her part could've been taken over by side characters from the first part instead of taking away their screen time just to squeeze in a new character. And then there's also Alice...

Alice is the biggest waste of time amongst all the side characters. I can understand how Liz can also be seen that way, but Fujino did a decent ish enough job with her inclusion. The I mention where maybe the stormy night shouldn't have happened would have eventually needed someone or somebody to help make Asuna fall, and I think Liz alone would have been fine enough as is. The Admin plot line could have just not happened and we would have probably like 10 - 14 less Asuna scenes right now (the earlier parts of Part 2). Not to mention just not having Alice's scenes, which would have probably given enough time to dedicate towards everything else.

 

[4-kun]

Alice is the biggest waste of time amongst all the side characters. I can understand how Liz can also be seen that way, but Fujino did a decent ish enough job with her inclusion. The I mention where maybe the stormy night shouldn't have happened would have eventually needed someone or somebody to help make Asuna fall, and I think Liz alone would have been fine enough as is. The Admin plot line could have just not happened and we would have probably like 10 - 14 less Asuna scenes right now (the earlier parts of Part 2). Not to mention just not having Alice's scenes, which would have probably given enough time to dedicate towards everything else.

It's not like I have issues with her part in the story—I don’t care about that, to be honest—but that part could have just been done by Sinon, since she's best friends with Asuna anyway behind the scenes. Speaking of which, I still wonder when Fujino will reveal what it's about.

 

[gaka200]

Its ironic how most of the worst aspects of part 2 are resulted from the questionary organized by Fujino at the beginning of part 2.

In a way, the supporters and general audience of Fujino cucked themselves while hoping to get a more slow burn emotional NTR story, but receiving a half-baked unfocused NTR cliché filled story.

Alice came to be thanks to her being voted/chosen in the questionary. Alice story could have been easily given to NPCs or just be a quest in FOG, and Alice screen time repurposed to better secondary stories.

Hebishima was removed from the story thanks to the voice of the Fujino audience shared in the questionary. Hebishima was a stereotypical NTR protagonist, but at least his role and actions in the story were consistent in part 1 and some of part 2 before it was softly removed and then gender bent.

The council existence in the current form, most likely, exist because of Alice inclusion in the story and the decision to remove Hebishima from the story. Without Hebishima there was no source of secondary NTR events.

Sugu and Sinon plot merge resulted again from Hebishima removal and people choosing in the questionary to have Kirito be able to have sex with other girls. It would have been better for Sugu and Sinon story to be kept separate or at least joined as Fujino originally intended. And Kiritio could still be getting scenes with Sugu and Sinon, but this time they would have been conditioned by Hebishima as a way to demonstrate his dominance and corruption of Sugu and Sinon to an unknowing Kirito.

Kyoko and Liz underuse in the story is due to the choice of going too far with the slow burn and for Fujino inexperience with this type of setup for a NTR story. If Fujino had kept to his usual pacing for the story and just moved focus to other character when he needed to slow down and shift focus, then we would have had more diverse events and more unpredictable story telling.

As things are now, we are basically waiting for each update cycle to recycle ideas and content from part 1 and other Fujino games but with the extra addition of having several events to get what in the past was done with just a longer scene or a buildup made from exploring the map and a payoff from witnessing another perspective for the scene.

I think the only thing that's unanimously agreed upon as the only bad addition is just Alice.

The council plot line is kind of dumb, but thinking it's because Hebishima was removed is probably incorrect. But anyways in regards to Hebishima being removed and giving Kirito time with other girls, I think those have been relatively well received by a decent chunk of people. It's also been received poorly by others, but it's not something that everyone generally agrees to being bad. Anyways in regards to the council plot line being the result of losing Hebishima, the Administrator character was available from the beginning of Part 2 before the poll was posted.

It's more than likely that Fujino wanted to gauge interest on if the new idea (Admin inclusion and Hebishima removal) they were working on would be decently well received. But the point is that it's something that is entirely on Fujino who wanted to focus on the direction Part 2 went other than forcing Alice into the plot. Liz for example didn't need to be here, but no one had any influence to bring her in, instead it's just Fujino wanting to bring more SAO characters into the story and kicking out all the side npc characters from Part 1.

I do agree that certain characters are underused and the focus is a little whack, but this more than likely has to do with the way Fujino works more than anything else to be honest. It would overall be better if Fujino had less characters and plot lines to work with, considering the method in which they develop this game is on a monthly basis. It's similar to a 40 - 50 page manga chapter per month, and there's only so much content you can do in that time span. Fujino in their efforts to return people's investment on CI-EN/Patreon leads them to release once a month and generally focus mainly on Asuna, which throws a lot of other characters and work onto the side. Basically they needed to have either less characters or work on a bi-monthly schedule (or longer), to allow them legitimate time to develop things.

In regards to the cucks you might mention question, I would probably say it's anyone paying and complaining to be honest lol. I'm personally ok with things, but I'm able to analyze and recognize what may or may not be wrong with things going on. But gotta also chill and be like "it is what it is". I appreciate the amount of work and effort they do so I just kind of go with the flow with it and not get too uppity about it.

 

[gaka200]

It's not like I have issues with her part in the story—I don’t care about that, to be honest—but that part could have just been done by Sinon, since she's best friends with Asuna anyway behind the scenes. Speaking of which, I still wonder when Fujino will reveal what it's about.

With how long it took for Sinon to get to that point, it probably wouldn't make sense for her to be the character to take Liz's spot. Liz also has SAO history with Kirito and Asuna, so she's easier to bring into the plot and start influencing people. Sinon in comparison was kind of like a cameo to me back in Part 1, considering her canon story arc never happened. But anyways for the sake of limiting the characters and having a finer focus, it would have been fine for Sinon to just be a town bike off on the side barely getting any scenes.

Side note, I'm very happy with her current scenes, but definitely recognize she's one of those characters that wasn't needed alongside Alice.

 

[4-kun]

I think the only thing that's unanimously agreed upon as the only bad addition is just Alice.

The council plot line is kind of dumb, but thinking it's because Hebishima was removed is probably incorrect. But anyways in regards to Hebishima being removed and giving Kirito time with other girls, I think those have been relatively well received by a decent chunk of people. It's also been received poorly by others, but it's not something that everyone generally agrees to being bad. Anyways in regards to the council plot line being the result of losing Hebishima, the Administrator character was available from the beginning of Part 2 before the poll was posted.

It's more than likely that Fujino wanted to gauge interest on if the new idea (Admin inclusion and Hebishima removal) they were working on would be decently well received. But the point is that it's something that is entirely on Fujino who wanted to focus on the direction Part 2 went other than forcing Alice into the plot. Liz for example didn't need to be here, but no one had any influence to bring her in, instead it's just Fujino wanting to bring more SAO characters into the story and kicking out all the side npc characters from Part 1.

I do agree that certain characters are underused and the focus is a little whack, but this more than likely has to do with the way Fujino works more than anything else to be honest. It would overall be better if Fujino had less characters and plot lines to work with, considering the method in which they develop this game is on a monthly basis. It's similar to a 40 - 50 page manga chapter per month, and there's only so much content you can do in that time span. Fujino in their efforts to return people's investment on CI-EN/Patreon leads them to release once a month and generally focus mainly on Asuna, which throws a lot of other work characters and work onto the side. Basically they needed to have either less characters or work on a bi-monthly schedule (or longer), to allow them legitimate time to develop things.

In regards to the cucks you might mention question, I would probably say it's anyone paying and complaining to be honest lol. I'm personally ok with things, but I'm able to analyze and recognize what may or may not be wrong with things going on. But gotta also chill and be like "it is what it is". I appreciate the amount of work and effort they do so I just kind of go with the flow with it and not get too uppity about it.

Yeah, the funny thing is, nobody asked for or even expected Kirito to get some action. That was purely Fujino's decision.

 

[kinglionheart]

Yeah, the funny thing is, nobody asked for or even expected Kirito to get some action. That was purely Fujino's decision.

Pretty sure one of poll questions was "Should Kirito have sex with other people?"

 

[Queen_Nothing]

tl;dr
And yes, I know I usually defend the soft reset, it's more me defending that based off the events of the stormy night, the soft reset needed to happen. The issue is more that if I remember correctly, the people at the time when Part 1 was going to end were being very vocal about wanting a major Asuna scene. I don't know if Fujino was coerced/convinced to rush that part, but it honestly didn't need to happen. In regards to Sinon and Suguha, it's mainly the council part. Suguha could probably have thrived fine, and Sinon just get further pushed aside as a nobody side character.

But yeah, it is what it is.

Well yeah we needed that ending scene. It was the peak of the game, the culmination of months of waiting and hours of playing. The game teased us with the glimpse of it without showing how it happened. Like. I still feel there was information about that day that was either kept from us, or just overlooked. Asuna spent the whole day with Inoda, going to different places, like a whole date day where he could have been pressuring her. The stormy night didn't need the drugged incense plot, Inoda could just have pressured her all day and then begged her in the night. But then the scene reveal came out completely different. I dunno, it started Part 2 off in a really bad place because Fujino was either hiding what happened, lying about it, or just didn't plan to tell us. It took a few updates before we got some of the clips, and even longer for us to find out the incense was fake and it really was just because Inoda was forceful and Asuna let him do it.

I agree on the Admin plotline, but imho, Liz's addition was unnecessary too. Her part could've been taken over by side characters from the first part instead of taking away their screen time just to squeeze in a new character. And then there's also Alice...

While I don't enjoy most of the Liz based scenes (the BDSM stuff), I actually like how she's used in the story as an in-FOG counterpart to Inoda. As in, she wants to help split up Asuna and Kirito but because she wants Kirito herself. I also like how she can be used to craft plot devices, I just wish they weren't used once and immediately forgotten. But yeah, for some reason Inoda and her crossed paths and now Liz will give up on Kirito eventually and become another Inoda slave.

 

[Queen_Nothing]

Pretty sure one of poll questions was "Should Kirito have sex with other people?"

Yeah, there was a noticeable drop in game quality when he started running polls and changing the game to suit them. It's why Inoda's personality is all over the place. It's why Alice was forced in. It's why Hebishima got gender-swapped. It became a mess of 'doing what my supporters tell me'.