RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [verβ1] [Fujino]

[900bs]

Sugu plot was or is a waste of time in this story, if the reverse NTR did happen the entire plot would collapse right there, because the way Kirito was writen in the story he having a affair with Sugu is out of his passive character.
Fot the NTR to work you can't have reverse NTR in the same plot, because this will became a open relationship with no moral implications which is the cornerstone for any good NTR story.

Reverse NTR is just a woman doing the NTR and cucking another woman, i saw some doujinshi with this theme but usually is a subgenre fo Family NTR like a mother cucking her daughter with her boyfriend/husband and in 9 out 10 times they endup sharing the guy and impregnated by him.

Women have no problems in sharing the same guy as long he keep them happy, let's put this way how many harems existed that we know of, where you had a single woman with several guys?
That's why reverse NTR dosen't work it will most likely then not endup in a Harem
One guy several women = Harem
One woman several guys = Gangrape/bang

Actually, reverse ntr can definitely work, and it’s not limited to just a woman cucking another woman by taking her man. It’s built on the same feelings of loss and jealousy as classic ntr, the roles are simply reversed. The point isn’t that women "easily share a man," but that for the character (male or female) who has real feelings, the betrayal still hurts just as much.

It doesn’t have to end up in a harem, either, because in reverse NTR the focus is often on one heroine losing intimacy and her sense of "ownership." In that sense, reverse ntr can be just as effective as traditional ntr, it’s just a lot less common and usually underexplored in doujinshi or hentai.
Also, the main heroine doesn’t necessarily have to know that her boyfriend or husband is being taken, and the guy doesn’t have to truly love the one he’s involved with. There can be many variations and different circumstances for why it happens. Both normal and reverse ntr can even coexist in the same story or game and work really well together.

If we take SAO as an example, Asuna was clearly hurt when she saw Kirito with Leafa, so in this case ntr works. On the other hand, if we look at a situation where someone takes Sugu away from Kirito, it doesn’t work as well. Yes, she seduces him, gives him a handjob and paizuri, but in the end he still loves Asuna. He has no romantic feelings for her.

 

[kinglionheart]

Don't say that, pos nut fishing it's very important.

Honestly I am one of those people who wants a fishing minigame in this game!

A fishing minigame here would make sense too since Kirito already shown to be fishing in game. I can easily see a event where while Kirito is doing the minigame in the lake next to the home base and we see silhouette in the window. Then every time we catch a fish Kirito delivers it to Asuna and she, for some unknown reason, gets messier each time. But at this point that kind of event is just prolonging the game so it would not be in Fujino's best interest to make it.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Honestly I am one of those people who wants a fishing minigame in this game!

A fishing minigame here would make sense too since Kirito already shown to be fishing in game. I can easily see a event where while Kirito is doing the minigame in the lake next to the home base and we see silhouette in the window. Then every time we catch a fish Kirito delivers it to Asuna and she, for some unknown reason, gets messier each time. But at this point that kind of event is just prolonging the game so it would not be in Fujino's best interest to make it.

Dang, the curse of fishing Minigames plaguing all JRPGs wants to extent to Chinese Hentai games now XD

 

[kinglionheart]

Dang, the curse of fishing Minigames plaguing all JRPGs wants to extent to Chinese Hentai games now XD

As the old saying goes "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

 

[Infeno2.0]

Actually, reverse ntr can definitely work, and it’s not limited to just a woman cucking another woman by taking her man. It’s built on the same feelings of loss and jealousy as classic ntr, the roles are simply reversed. The point isn’t that women "easily share a man," but that for the character (male or female) who has real feelings, the betrayal still hurts just as much.

It doesn’t have to end up in a harem, either, because in reverse NTR the focus is often on one heroine losing intimacy and her sense of "ownership." In that sense, reverse ntr can be just as effective as traditional ntr, it’s just a lot less common and usually underexplored in doujinshi or hentai.
Also, the main heroine doesn’t necessarily have to know that her boyfriend or husband is being taken, and the guy doesn’t have to truly love the one he’s involved with. There can be many variations and different circumstances for why it happens. Both normal and reverse ntr can even coexist in the same story or game and work really well together.

If we take SAO as an example, Asuna was clearly hurt when she saw Kirito with Leafa, so in this case ntr works. On the other hand, if we look at a situation where someone takes Sugu away from Kirito, it doesn’t work as well. Yes, she seduces him, gives him a handjob and paizuri, but in the end he still loves Asuna. He has no romantic feelings for her.

Actually they can't coexist in the same plot, NTR and RNTR because it will end with all the moral and social implication related with the act of cheating, you remove the guilty from the equation, they just swap partners becoming basically a open relationship or swing if they stay togheter which is lame.

I have this felling about RNTR being just femdom in disguise, IRL man and woman see the act of cheating very differently for many reasons, by nature man is territorial woman is not, so one woman cucking another woman dosen't have the same impact as a woman cucking a man, because woman more often than not start cheating with emotions than go to sex, man just want to have sex with a diffrent woman.

NTR end up in the woman being stole because her fellings, RNTR it's just a affair the guy usually don't leave his woman and keep banging both.

Asuna was "hurt" because the plot demanded, but in reality Fujino did that just to give another excuse for her to be a bigger whore to Inoda, indeed Sugu loves Kirito, and he loves Asuna but if he wasn't a bag of bricks he could bang both and Sugu would be more than happy in share him, the NTR would work if he leraned about Asuna and Inoda, and because of that turn to Sugu as a consolation prize, she would be happy yes, but because he only went to her after the fact and took so long to do that she in the meantime already had started being fucked by Inoda.
The Sugu ntr route only would work if was done by Inoda.

 

[Infeno2.0]

Honestly I am one of those people who wants a fishing minigame in this game!

A fishing minigame here would make sense too since Kirito already shown to be fishing in game. I can easily see a event where while Kirito is doing the minigame in the lake next to the home base and we see silhouette in the window. Then every time we catch a fish Kirito delivers it to Asuna and she, for some unknown reason, gets messier each time. But at this point that kind of event is just prolonging the game so it would not be in Fujino's best interest to make it.

That's not a bad idea, we do have a pier in the Fog House, but yeah now it's kind late for that.
One thing i think Fujino is going to do in FOG is use Yui to distract Kirito in one room while mom and dad go balls to the walls in the next room, that will be funny.

 

[Taboofan]

That's not a bad idea, we do have a pier in the Fog House, but yeah now it's kind late for that.
One thing i think Fujino is going to do in FOG is use Yui to distract Kirito in one room while mom and dad go balls to the walls in the next room, that will be funny.

Could be interesting since i am assuming that kind of thing is the main reason why mind control was brought into this game at all - to make Yui a willing participant in Kuckito's cucking. Otherwise it really didn't seem necessary.

Looking forward to more RL stuff. I am somewhat dismayed though that we didn't have more 'cum coffee' type scenes. I hope the whole Administrator thing is also going to be more important going forward.

 

[900bs]

Actually they can't coexist in the same plot, NTR and RNTR because it will end with all the moral and social implication related with the act of cheating, you remove the guilty from the equation, they just swap partners becoming basically a open relationship or swing if they stay togheter which is lame.

I have this felling about RNTR being just femdom in disguise, IRL man and woman see the act of cheating very differently for many reasons, by nature man is territorial woman is not, so one woman cucking another woman dosen't have the same impact as a woman cucking a man, because woman more often than not start cheating with emotions than go to sex, man just want to have sex with a diffrent woman.

NTR end up in the woman being stole because her fellings, RNTR it's just a affair the guy usually don't leave his woman and keep banging both.

Asuna was "hurt" because the plot demanded, but in reality Fujino did that just to give another excuse for her to be a bigger whore to Inoda, indeed Sugu loves Kirito, and he loves Asuna but if he wasn't a bag of bricks he could bang both and Sugu would be more than happy in share him, the NTR would work if he leraned about Asuna and Inoda, and because of that turn to Sugu as a consolation prize, she would be happy yes, but because he only went to her after the fact and took so long to do that she in the meantime already had started being fucked by Inoda.
The Sugu ntr route only would work if was done by Inoda.

In reality, rntr and regular ntr can definitely coexist within the same story if the focus is placed on the right emotional and psychological consequences. It is not about removing guilt or turning it into a simple partner swap, what matters is how the characters experience betrayal and loss. The essence of ntr lies in the emotional pain, jealousy, and sense of being replaced, not just the physical act.

Yes, men and women may react to cheating differently, but that does not negate the impact of rntr. A woman who loses the person she has feelings for can still experience deep pain. It is not just about the change of partners, it is about the emotional blow to the character on the receiving end of ntr.
RNTR is not "femdom in disguise," but rather a tool for dramatizing relationships that highlights emotions and the dynamics of relationships. Even if the man stays "faithful" to one woman, the loss of intimacy and sense of exclusivity for another heroine creates the same emotional effects as classic ntr.
For example, there are great games where ntr and reverse ntr are combined really well, such as "Oyako Rankan" and "Mirage's Defection".

As for "the plot demanded it" honestly, you can say that about literally everything in the game, from character lines to their actions. If we go down that road, the discussion ends with "this game should not exist because Asuna would never act like that." But this is a parody, and parodies come with their own nuances.
Regarding Asuna’s feelings, there were clear moments of jealousy toward other girls, both before and after she saw Kirito with Leafa. She is a hypocrite, because despite cheating herself, she still wants Kirito to belong to her, at least for now.

 

[mos555]

Regarding Asuna’s feelings, there were clear moments of jealousy toward other girls, both before and after she saw Kirito with Leafa. She is a hypocrite, because despite cheating herself, she still wants Kirito to belong to her, at least for now.

And in the scene between Lifa, Asuna, and Kirito, this jealousy is not like romantic jealousy. Usually, when a girl sees her lover in the company of another girl, she tries to show her advantage, tries to cut off the possibility of physical contact, hug, kiss. Asuna's jealousy was more like when a new person came into a group of friends and tried to grab some of the attention. It's not clear what Fujino wanted to show with this scene - Asuna doesn't believe that Kirito can find another girl and just doesn't pay enough attention to this situation (but if Asuna believes that Kirito was in the brothel, then this option doesn't work) or Asuna, even if subconsciously, has already stopped considering Kirito as someone who holds a central place in her heart.

 

[Uwukz]

In reality, rntr and regular ntr can definitely coexist within the same story if the focus is placed on the right emotional and psychological consequences. It is not about removing guilt or turning it into a simple partner swap, what matters is how the characters experience betrayal and loss. The essence of ntr lies in the emotional pain, jealousy, and sense of being replaced, not just the physical act.

Yes, men and women may react to cheating differently, but that does not negate the impact of rntr. A woman who loses the person she has feelings for can still experience deep pain. It is not just about the change of partners, it is about the emotional blow to the character on the receiving end of ntr.
RNTR is not "femdom in disguise," but rather a tool for dramatizing relationships that highlights emotions and the dynamics of relationships. Even if the man stays "faithful" to one woman, the loss of intimacy and sense of exclusivity for another heroine creates the same emotional effects as classic ntr.
For example, there are great games where ntr and reverse ntr are combined really well, such as "Oyako Rankan" and "Mirage's Defection".

As for "the plot demanded it" honestly, you can say that about literally everything in the game, from character lines to their actions. If we go down that road, the discussion ends with "this game should not exist because Asuna would never act like that." But this is a parody, and parodies come with their own nuances.
Regarding Asuna’s feelings, there were clear moments of jealousy toward other girls, both before and after she saw Kirito with Leafa. She is a hypocrite, because despite cheating herself, she still wants Kirito to belong to her, at least for now.

Ntr and reverse ntr are mutually exclusive tags. If you put them in the same game, you get crap like in Sao, where the main characters don't care about each other and are fucking on the side, they just don't know it. The relationship element just becomes bullshit.

 

[DicksInSpace]

Honestly I am one of those people who wants a fishing minigame in this game!

A fishing minigame here would make sense too since Kirito already shown to be fishing in game. I can easily see a event where while Kirito is doing the minigame in the lake next to the home base and we see silhouette in the window. Then every time we catch a fish Kirito delivers it to Asuna and she, for some unknown reason, gets messier each time. But at this point that kind of event is just prolonging the game so it would not be in Fujino's best interest to make it.

Would have fit the sandbox idea that was scrapped

 

[Uwukz]

Ntr and reverse ntr are mutually exclusive tags. If you put them in the same game, you get crap like in Sao, where the main characters don't care about each other and are fucking on the side, they just don't know it. The relationship element just becomes bullshit.

Just imagine how pointless and shitty the stormy night at the end of the first part of the game would have felt if Kirito had been fucking Suguha at the time, instead of dreaming of him and Asuna going to America together and living happily ever after. It was Asuna's passionate sex with Inoda while Kirito happily dreams of their future together that had such a strong psycho-emotional effect. And stinky Suguha would nullify the whole effect and make the whole thing bland and stupid.
So to all the defenders of reverse ntr I would recommend that they confess either their hypocrisy or stupidity. Since they think that god-awful crap called reverse ntr doesn't ruin regular ntr.

 

[critic specialized in NTR]

I dont get why many of you guys want the game to end so bad. Of course it really dragged on for a while, but the hottest stuff is yet to come, wich is inoda and asuna sneaking around directly behind kiritos back irl and having bareback creampie sex.

Why would you wanna cut that short?For me its the main motivator to dl each update.

This game has been over for a long time, so part 1 ends, you just haven't realized it yet.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

In reality, rntr and regular ntr can definitely coexist within the same story if the focus is placed on the right emotional and psychological consequences. It is not about removing guilt or turning it into a simple partner swap, what matters is how the characters experience betrayal and loss. The essence of ntr lies in the emotional pain, jealousy, and sense of being replaced, not just the physical act.

Yes, men and women may react to cheating differently, but that does not negate the impact of rntr. A woman who loses the person she has feelings for can still experience deep pain. It is not just about the change of partners, it is about the emotional blow to the character on the receiving end of ntr.
RNTR is not "femdom in disguise," but rather a tool for dramatizing relationships that highlights emotions and the dynamics of relationships. Even if the man stays "faithful" to one woman, the loss of intimacy and sense of exclusivity for another heroine creates the same emotional effects as classic ntr.
For example, there are great games where ntr and reverse ntr are combined really well, such as "Oyako Rankan" and "Mirage's Defection".

As for "the plot demanded it" honestly, you can say that about literally everything in the game, from character lines to their actions. If we go down that road, the discussion ends with "this game should not exist because Asuna would never act like that." But this is a parody, and parodies come with their own nuances.
Regarding Asuna’s feelings, there were clear moments of jealousy toward other girls, both before and after she saw Kirito with Leafa. She is a hypocrite, because despite cheating herself, she still wants Kirito to belong to her, at least for now.

While I'm all for Reverse NTR and honestly like it more than standard NTR despite how rare it is, I also would like to point out something that the people with the hate-boner for it haven't really realized: This game doesn't REALLY have any Reverse NTR, honestly XD At best is a combination of cheating+corruption, but it can't really be called Reverse NTR because for it the girl or girls would have had to want to steal the MC from his girlfriend fom the get-go and that be the focus of them succeeding, just like Inoda is stealing Asuna, but nothing like that is really happening: Liz schemes only further throw her towards Inoda because Kirito just brings her no real satisfaction and she seems more to care for having him than genuinely love or like him, Sinon is literally just playing around because she finds him amusing and brings her pleasure but the fact that if you reject her she immediately goes to seek pleasure elsewhere shows she doesn't really care.

About the ONLY girl that could really be argued to be trying to get some Reverse NTR feel is Suguha who legit wants to steal him from Asuna for herself because she loves him and has constantly shown she actually does, unlike basically every other girl in the game INCLUDING Asuna, and even overcame the NTR big dick addiction all female characters as usually doomed to fail to from how much she wants him more. However, not only is the fact that she was completely corrupted and fucked in a not-really-NTR plot already removing most of the weight of a Reverse NTR plot, and the fact Asuna, the gf in question, has already been all but completely stolen by an ugly bastard and honestly can barely even be said to care for Kirito plot-wise also all but kills any real "Reverse NTR", so in that way this game doesn't REALLY deserve that tag.

In a way, the haters here are right but also wrong, "NTR" and "Reverse NTR" CAN be in the same plot (Whether one likes it or not is up to them though), but in this game they really don't because there just simply isn't Reverse NTR, for it to be qualified that it would need to be as Uwukz stated a couple of posts above, both plots would have had to be coexisting from the beginning and the Rainy Night to be both 'cheating couples' fucking side by side in each apartment (Aka Suguha should have been aiming for her Onii-chan from the start and the Hebishima plot never happened, and she would have had to be stealing him at the same time as Asuna was being stolen, and probably Kirito wouldn't have had to have any NTR MC small dick/no stamina defects, but then Fujino wouldn't have been smart enough to write a story about it because he loses his main excuse as to why Asuna was corrupted so easily XP). There is some heavy cheating and corruption, but because of how Part 1 and the beginning of Part 2 went, it really can't be tagged as 'Reverse NTR' anymore XD

And personally, even as a Fan of Reverse NTR, I don't care much it wasn't, this game already gave me way more than I imagined with the sudden shift of the Sugu plot, which no matter what the haters say for me was the peak of the game and hope has at least one ending with a satisfying conclusion for it regardless of what happens in the main plot :3

 

[Aniky Light]

Just imagine how pointless and shitty the stormy night at the end of the first part of the game would have felt if Kirito had been fucking Suguha at the time, instead of dreaming of him and Asuna going to America together and living happily ever after. It was Asuna's passionate sex with Inoda while Kirito happily dreams of their future together that had such a strong psycho-emotional effect. And stinky Suguha would nullify the whole effect and make the whole thing bland and stupid.
So to all the defenders of reverse ntr I would recommend that they confess either their hypocrisy or stupidity. Since they think that god-awful crap called reverse ntr doesn't ruin regular ntr.

From what you write, you seem nervous, it's obvious that you don't like seeing Kirito with Suguha, otherwise you wouldn't use these heavy sentences, like Kirito doesn't have the right to fuck or simply spending time with a girl. From the way Asuna acts towards her, well, there's either no relationship or it's just a toxic relationship. NTR is already over so I don't see anything wrong if there's a fling between K and S, don't you like it? I like it though, but the problem is why do you complain when Kirito is with Suguha? Even Sinon gave a nice serve to Kirito, Alice also did something, Liz too, so it's not rntr but the fact that you are annoyed to see other girls doing something to K and you want to see that fat guy fuck them all

 

[Aniky Light]

Suguha is like wine for Kirito, it helps him forget Asuna xD

 

[mos555]

Suguha is like wine for Kirito, it helps him forget Asuna xD

Or like vodka with Redbull. The next day, life will start with a clean slate. There was no Asuna, no Inoda. The main thing for Suguha is to be the first person Kirito sees in the morning. Better than "memory change".

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Or like vodka with Redbull. The next day, life will start with a clean slate. There was no Asuna, no Inoda. The main thing for Suguha is to be the first person Kirito sees in the morning. Better than "memory change".

Would be a peak ending, but being honest, is extremely unlikely Fujino makes an ending like that XD

 

[mos555]

Would be a peak ending, but being honest, is extremely unlikely Fujino makes an ending like that XD

But it would have been a funny nuance in one of the endings if Suguha, with the help of the Council's technology, had erased or changed Kirito's memory so that there would be no unnecessary memories of the girls, except for Suguha herself.

P/s Asuna's face when Kirito just walks by without even recognizing her...

 

[Uwukz]

From what you write, you seem nervous, it's obvious that you don't like seeing Kirito with Suguha, otherwise you wouldn't use these heavy sentences, like Kirito doesn't have the right to fuck or simply spending time with a girl. From the way Asuna acts towards her, well, there's either no relationship or it's just a toxic relationship. NTR is already over so I don't see anything wrong if there's a fling between K and S, don't you like it? I like it though, but the problem is why do you complain when Kirito is with Suguha? Even Sinon gave a nice serve to Kirito, Alice also did something, Liz too, so it's not rntr but the fact that you are annoyed to see other girls doing something to K and you want to see that fat guy fuck them all

I'm a fan of classic NTR and I absolutely hate the fact that a yandere psychopath goes after the main character-camera and decides what's best for him and bullies him along the way. I'm not a fan of that Sabmissive crap where the mentally challenged little brother is being "groomed" by the crazy sister.
On top of that, after she stopped fucking Habishima her goal in this game was to kill NTR and turn NTR into some form of reverse NTR and swinging. I hate those tags. I'm not interested in them, but they don't allow the classic NTR to fully unfold, turning the game into shit and the main characters' relationships into a circus, where everyone fucks and loves whoever they want but not each other.
Suguha is worse than Alice and Sinon for me now in terms of interest. In the days of Habishima we had a good family NTR, and now Suguha's plot has turned into a piece of goddamn shit. And yes, it annoys me like a bull with a red rag.