RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [verβ1] [Fujino]

[4-kun]

I'm a fan of classic NTR and I absolutely hate the fact that a yandere psychopath goes after the main character-camera and decides what's best for him and bullies him along the way. I'm not a fan of that Sabmissive crap where the mentally challenged little brother is being "groomed" by the crazy sister.
On top of that, after she stopped fucking Habishima her goal in this game was to kill NTR and turn NTR into some form of reverse NTR and swinging. I hate those tags. I'm not interested in them, but they don't allow the classic NTR to fully unfold, turning the game into shit and the main characters' relationships into a circus, where everyone fucks and loves whoever they want but not each other.
Suguha is worse than Alice and Sinon for me now in terms of interest. In the days of Habishima we had a good family NTR, and now Suguha's plot has turned into a piece of goddamn shit. And yes, it annoys me like a bull with a red rag.

Dude, are you really blaming a fictional character for ruining your gaming experience? Lmao. You do realize her character and story are solely the product of Fujino’s imagination; it’s not like she has her own will, you know. Just admit you don’t agree with the author’s vision for the game and move on.

Jeez, it’s actually getting worse in here

 

[Uwukz]

Dude, are you really blaming a fictional character for ruining your gaming experience? Lmao. You do realize her character and story are solely the product of Fujino’s imagination; it’s not like she has her own will, you know. Just admit you don’t agree with the author’s vision for the game and move on.

Jeez, it’s actually getting worse in here

The author's vision is very puppet-like, he wants to please absolutely everyone. But it doesn't work that way.
I originally liked the author's vision regarding Suguha and the family ntr. But then it turned into nonsense, covering the very concept of the game.

 

[Aniky Light]

To be honest, I don't see anything exciting if Inoda had fucked Suguha, because I don't see any NTR, it would be like watching the boring scenes between Inoda and Asuna, well the first time you'll say wow, dude, but if Kirito doesn't react, watching the scenes between Suguha and Inoda it's like watching the scenes between Inoda and Asuna

 

[Uwukz]

To be honest, I don't see anything exciting if Inoda had fucked Suguha, because I don't see any NTR, it would be like watching the boring scenes between Inoda and Asuna, well the first time you'll say wow, dude, but if Kirito doesn't react, watching the scenes between Suguha and Inoda it's like watching the scenes between Inoda and Asuna

There's no condition that Suguha has to fuck Inoda. I was quite happy with Hebishima's NTR which was different from Inoda's. The type of family ntr where the bull takes the sister away.
The removal of Hebishima was the biggest mistake, which later made Asuna and Kirito's strained relationship delusional. When Kirito "loves" and cares about Asuna, but at the same time cheats on her and forgets about her altogether.

 

[Aniky Light]

There's no condition that Suguha has to fuck Inoda. I was quite happy with Hebishima's NTR which was different from Inoda's. The type of family ntr where the bull takes the sister away.
The removal of Hebishima was the biggest mistake, which later made Asuna and Kirito's strained relationship delusional. When Kirito "loves" and cares about Asuna, but at the same time cheats on her and forgets about her altogether.

And what Asuna does with Inoda is not betrayal, the fact that Asuna knows that she is cheating on him but does not stop, indeed she continues to do it, sometimes it seems to me that Asuna takes too many initiatives and does not It solves the real problem. Everyone is attacking the protagonist, it's like attacking a disabled person and saying it's all his fault if we were late xD

 

[crazy1st]

There's no condition that Suguha has to fuck Inoda. I was quite happy with Hebishima's NTR which was different from Inoda's. The type of family ntr where the bull takes the sister away.
The removal of Hebishima was the biggest mistake, which later made Asuna and Kirito's strained relationship delusional. When Kirito "loves" and cares about Asuna, but at the same time cheats on her and forgets about her altogether.

im glad im not the only one who think the same... some people said that hebishima is too generic ntr type, boring, so he need to be removed, a very stupid reason imo... what the heck u want from an ntr trope in the first place? its either ugly bastard like inoda, playboy gyaru-oh like hebishima, black guy like agil, or some shota nonsense who will rail the girl... maybe they want some handsome, prince like character to do the stealing or something? for me if its a type like that then the woman wont have too much to lose at least, lol...

well, removing a bad character is not too bad move as long as u have some replacement... but instead its the female that suddenly turn into a yandere shit chasing after mc... what a ridiculous thing to do, i dont even know how fujino got those idea... funnily some people here said that asuna is too out of character compared to the original, but dont have anything to said about suguha, lol...

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

im glad im not the only one who think the same... some people said that hebishima is too generic ntr type, boring, so he need to be removed, a very stupid reason imo... what the heck u want from an ntr trope in the first place? its either ugly bastard like inoda, playboy gyaru-oh like hebishima, black guy like agil, or some shota nonsense who will rail the girl... maybe they want some handsome, prince like character to do the stealing or something? for me if its a type like that then the woman wont have too much to lose at least, lol...

well, removing a bad character is not too bad move as long as u have some replacement... but instead its the female that suddenly turn into a yandere shit chasing after mc... what a ridiculous thing to do, i dont even know how fujino got those idea... funnily some people here said that asuna is too out of character compared to the original, but dont have anything to said about suguha, lol...

I've been saying that Suguha was OOC from the beginning, but I still don't care, I personally think what her character did was infinitely much better and more interesting than the not-really-NTR thing going on with hebishima (People has gotten the genre so twisted they legit think that a girl the MC has 0 romantic interest in and doesn't even see that way getting fucked by a random guy is 'NTR', lmao, Fujino literally had to rewrite Canon background and make her act OOC from the very beginning to try and make her Part 1 story more NTR-like, and it was still not really that at all, Kirito barely seemed to give a shit about her in part 1 XD).

Let's be honest, EVERYONE in this game, from Kirito and Asuna to Suguha, Sinon, and every single side-character, has been OOC from the very beginning, otherwise the plot of this game literally would never be able to exist at all, lol. Hell, some like Alices are literally more OCs that happen to have the same face and names of the original characters, Shino and Liz have been just one step from that since they were introduced too because of how much Fujino changed the setting and their attitudes towards everything

 

[Uwukz]

I've been saying that Suguha was OOC from the beginning, but I still don't care, I personally think what her character did was infinitely much better and more interesting than the not-really-NTR thing going on with hebishima (People has gotten the genre so twisted they legit think that a girl the MC has 0 romantic interest in and doesn't even see that way getting fucked by a random guy is 'NTR', lmao, Fujino literally had to rewrite Canon background and make her act OOC from the very beginning to try and make her Part 1 story more NTR-like, and it was still not really that at all, Kirito barely seemed to give a shit about her in part 1 XD).

Let's be honest, EVERYONE in this game, from Kirito and Asuna to Suguha, Sinon, and every single side-character, has been OOC from the very beginning, otherwise the plot of this game literally would never be able to exist at all, lol. Hell, some like Alices are literally more OCs that happen to have the same face and names of the original characters, Shino and Liz have been just one step from that since they were introduced too because of how much Fujino changed the setting and their attitudes towards everything

You're wrong about the fact that it wasn't NTR with Suguha during Hebishima's time. It's not NTR with her right now, when she's become a crazy babysitter for the soulless and stupid Kirito's dick.
NTR has a category called familial NTR. When Mother/Sister is stolen by some Bastard who bullies the protagonist or otherwise treats him badly. Eventually the Mother/Sister chooses the bastard's dick over the protagonist's familial love. Betrayal is committed. All according to the laws of the NTR. And in Sao, Suguha loved Kirito not only as a family member, but even more. That's why it was 100% family NTR with Hebishima. But in the second chapter, complete puke shit happened and in a game whose main genre is NTR, that NTR was taken out of her goddamn !!!! And besides Suguha, Shinon also turned into some dominatrix shit going after Kirito's dick.

 

[Uwukz]

I've been following Fujino for a long time, and damn it, I'm convinced that Fujino doesn't have to listen to people, he has to do things the way he originally intended. Almost all of his original ideas were good.
Every time he listens to someone, he gets shit.
People asked for more time with the secondary characters. Fujino gave them that, but forgot about Asuna in return. His own audience almost destroyed him for it.
Someone asked for Hebishima to be taken out. So entire characters with their plots became nasty crap that contradicts the main genre.
It's so annoying.

 

[Aniky Light]

You're wrong about the fact that it wasn't NTR with Suguha during Hebishima's time. It's not NTR with her right now, when she's become a crazy babysitter for the soulless and stupid Kirito's dick.
NTR has a category called familial NTR. When Mother/Sister is stolen by some Bastard who bullies the protagonist or otherwise treats him badly. Eventually the Mother/Sister chooses the bastard's dick over the protagonist's familial love. Betrayal is committed. All according to the laws of the NTR. And in Sao, Suguha loved Kirito not only as a family member, but even more. That's why it was 100% family NTR with Hebishima. But in the second chapter, complete puke shit happened and in a game whose main genre is NTR, that NTR was taken out of her goddamn !!!! And besides Suguha, Shinon also turned into some dominatrix shit going after Kirito's dick.

But just now that the game is about to end, are you getting nervous? It's over now xD

 

[Uwukz]

But just now that the game is about to end, are you getting nervous? It's over now xD

You make your own jokes.
History is cyclical. Until Fujino finally gets a grip on himself and stops listening to crap, games will continue to turn into a cheesy piece of work at some point, floundering in a direction that's not clear.

 

[Aniky Light]

I've been following Fujino for a long time, and damn it, I'm convinced that Fujino doesn't have to listen to people, he has to do things the way he originally intended. Almost all of his original ideas were good.
Every time he listens to someone, he gets shit.
People asked for more time with the secondary characters. Fujino gave them that, but forgot about Asuna in return. His own audience almost destroyed him for it.
Someone asked for Hebishima to be taken out. So entire characters with their plots became nasty crap that contradicts the main genre.
It's so annoying.

Developers can't do what they want, otherwise no one will play, for example a game comes out and after playing it the criticism starts and they see what's wrong and they improve it giving what people want and I don't think Fujino would make a game the way he likes it and take away what the fans want, otherwise he could have kept it for himself. So the developers do what people expect. Do we want to make a different NTR than usual? Why not? Or rather, do the same boring thing, let's make something that has never happened before.

 

[Aniky Light]

You make your own jokes.
History is cyclical. Until Fujino finally gets a grip on himself and stops listening to crap, games will continue to turn into a cheesy piece of work at some point, floundering in a direction that's not clear.

But what do you expect Fujino to contemplate your bad mood? Certain things bother me too, but that's how it went now.

 

[DreamingOfPinkLips]

Developers can't do what they want, otherwise no one will play, for example a game comes out and after playing it the criticism starts and they see what's wrong and they improve it giving what people want and I don't think Fujino would make a game the way he likes it and take away what the fans want, otherwise he could have kept it for himself. So the developers do what people expect. Do we want to make a different NTR than usual? Why not? Or rather, do the same boring thing, let's make something that has never happened before.

Gaming history shows that devs who only make what fans demand crash and burn time and time again, while games that no one asked for become surprise hits or legendary franchises. Especially with NSFW games there's a large amount of failed and cancelled games as devs lost focus and direction after listening to their "fans" too much. Certainly there is constructive feedback too, but that's different from constantly adhering to "what the fans want". The problem is that every player has different needs and they all want them fulfilled - and for every wish the dev fulfills, they potentially lose a part of their own idea. The outcome then is almost always the same, some people hate it, some people love it, some buy it, others don't, so in the end all the wish-chasing isn't even that helpful financially.

At the end of the day I firmly believe that Fujino/devs should just create what they personally want. People with similar preferences will love it all the more, and that approach helps a dev work more efficiently rather than having to worry about wish-fulfillment for others.

Sorry, more generic dev ramble. Most players/fans really shouldn't be listened to when a dev has a clear vision in mind. Devs should follow their plans and try to make the best game they can, based on their own standards.

Some of the most amazing pieces of art don't exist because other people wanted it but because someone had an idea and pulled through without bending over to other people's wishes.

 

[kinglionheart]

Gaming history shows that devs who only make what fans demand crash and burn time and time again, while games that no one asked for become surprise hits or legendary franchises. Especially with NSFW games there's a large amount of failed and cancelled games as devs lost focus and direction after listening to their "fans" too much. Certainly there is constructive feedback too, but that's different from constantly adhering to "what the fans want". The problem is that every player has different needs and they all want them fulfilled - and for every wish the dev fulfills, they potentially lose a part of their own idea. The outcome then is almost always the same, some people hate it, some people love it, some buy it, others don't, so in the end all the wish-chasing isn't even that helpful financially.

At the end of the day I firmly believe that Fujino/devs should just create what they personally want. People with similar preferences will love it all the more, and that approach helps a dev work more efficiently rather than having to worry about wish-fulfillment for others.

Sorry, more generic dev ramble. Most players/fans really shouldn't be listened to when a dev has a clear vision in mind. Devs should follow their plans and try to make the best game they can, based on their own standards.

Some of the most amazing pieces of art don't exist because other people wanted it but because someone had an idea and pulled through without bending over to other people's wishes.

We can argue whether listening to others or just do whatever the creator wants is best for the game but it still comes back to money. It is a sad truth adults need money to live and that most people don't have the time or resources to create something for free.

Fujino could have longer developments and he could not listen to supporters but that would cause him to lose supporters so he won't. Fujino already works a day job. He doesn't seem like he is willing to spend his remaining free time on making something without being compensated.

If people want to follow their passion without being paid for it or support Fujino without expecting anything in return, that is fine. But it is just irresponsible and unrealistic to expect creators who wants money from supporters don't give their supporters what they want without consequences or their supporters to still support the creator if their needs are not met.

 

[Uwukz]

Gaming history shows that devs who only make what fans demand crash and burn time and time again, while games that no one asked for become surprise hits or legendary franchises. Especially with NSFW games there's a large amount of failed and cancelled games as devs lost focus and direction after listening to their "fans" too much. Certainly there is constructive feedback too, but that's different from constantly adhering to "what the fans want". The problem is that every player has different needs and they all want them fulfilled - and for every wish the dev fulfills, they potentially lose a part of their own idea. The outcome then is almost always the same, some people hate it, some people love it, some buy it, others don't, so in the end all the wish-chasing isn't even that helpful financially.

At the end of the day I firmly believe that Fujino/devs should just create what they personally want. People with similar preferences will love it all the more, and that approach helps a dev work more efficiently rather than having to worry about wish-fulfillment for others.

Sorry, more generic dev ramble. Most players/fans really shouldn't be listened to when a dev has a clear vision in mind. Devs should follow their plans and try to make the best game they can, based on their own standards.

Some of the most amazing pieces of art don't exist because other people wanted it but because someone had an idea and pulled through without bending over to other people's wishes.

You're absolutely right.
A lot of people love the first part of Sao and it was the first part that fujino did on his idea.
When he started listening strongly to who wants what, we got Alice, which is entirely based on brainwashing, which so many people hate. Oh and also Alice is completely non-canonical, she only looks similar in appearance.
And also there were many other crises, because the author wanted to please everyone, and about what he wants himself has already forgotten. And as a result we got an inarticulate second part, which is hated much more than the first part.
But unfortunately, Fujino just can't give any constructive criticism and evaluate everything sensibly. He wants to add absolutely everything to the game, but because of this, the game has turned into a dump that is hated more and more with each update.
It's fine to ask people's preferences before creating a game so that you can pick out what people like for yourself, but it's absolutely not okay to do what Fujino did and change concepts in the middle of the game in opposite directions.

 

[ArcherUwU]

full save?

 

[900bs]

And in the scene between Lifa, Asuna, and Kirito, this jealousy is not like romantic jealousy. Usually, when a girl sees her lover in the company of another girl, she tries to show her advantage, tries to cut off the possibility of physical contact, hug, kiss. Asuna's jealousy was more like when a new person came into a group of friends and tried to grab some of the attention. It's not clear what Fujino wanted to show with this scene - Asuna doesn't believe that Kirito can find another girl and just doesn't pay enough attention to this situation (but if Asuna believes that Kirito was in the brothel, then this option doesn't work) or Asuna, even if subconsciously, has already stopped considering Kirito as someone who holds a central place in her heart.

This can be explained by what I wrote earlier, Asuna is a hypocrite. But of course, that is not the only trait of her character. What you wrote about her wanting to "grab some of the attention" is also true. She still has to maintain her image as a loving and trusting girlfriend. She is not going to tell Kirito directly what she thinks about his affairs with other girls, because that could start breaking down their relationship (or at least the image of it).

In fact, Kirito acted similarly in the first part. He often suspected something, but he could not say it openly because he did not want to hurt Asuna. After all, what kind of man would he be if he admitted to himself that a girl like her could be capable of such things.
So I think that gets the point across. As for whether she still loves him or not, that is something each person can decide for themselves. If we take the indicators from the game, then yes, she does love him, although it is hard to show clearly because of the quarantine. We just need to keep in mind that one of Asuna’s perks is that she can lose all her feelings and even want to leave Kirito, if that perk is used, of course. So it will be shown eventually.

For us as players, months are passing without seeing much response from Asuna. But in the game itself, only two weeks go by, during which they are still communicating through texts, phone calls, and video chats. Sometimes Asuna even wakes him up in the mornings when she has the chance.
That is basically how long-distance relationships look. They do not need to keep traveling to see each other, since they know they will be together again once she comes back. I do not know what else can be shown to prove their feelings in a long-distance relationship. Usually it is just texting and calling, maybe something more, but I do not have personal experience with that, so nothing else comes to mind.

 

[Aniky Light]

You're absolutely right.
A lot of people love the first part of Sao and it was the first part that fujino did on his idea.
When he started listening strongly to who wants what, we got Alice, which is entirely based on brainwashing, which so many people hate. Oh and also Alice is completely non-canonical, she only looks similar in appearance.
And also there were many other crises, because the author wanted to please everyone, and about what he wants himself has already forgotten. And as a result we got an inarticulate second part, which is hated much more than the first part.
But unfortunately, Fujino just can't give any constructive criticism and evaluate everything sensibly. He wants to add absolutely everything to the game, but because of this, the game has turned into a dump that is hated more and more with each update.
It's fine to ask people's preferences before creating a game so that you can pick out what people like for yourself, but it's absolutely not okay to do what Fujino did and change concepts in the middle of the game in opposite directions.

I wouldn't have put Alice, that character doesn't mean anything to me

 

[timurotbasaroglu]

I'm a fan of classic NTR and I absolutely hate the fact that a yandere psychopath goes after the main character-camera and decides what's best for him and bullies him along the way. I'm not a fan of that Sabmissive crap where the mentally challenged little brother is being "groomed" by the crazy sister.
On top of that, after she stopped fucking Habishima her goal in this game was to kill NTR and turn NTR into some form of reverse NTR and swinging. I hate those tags. I'm not interested in them, but they don't allow the classic NTR to fully unfold, turning the game into shit and the main characters' relationships into a circus, where everyone fucks and loves whoever they want but not each other.
Suguha is worse than Alice and Sinon for me now in terms of interest. In the days of Habishima we had a good family NTR, and now Suguha's plot has turned into a piece of goddamn shit. And yes, it annoys me like a bull with a red rag.

Man, there are tooooons of cliched classic NTR games out there, almost 95% of NTR games are just like what you want. I don't understand why you are waiting and wasting your time for a game unfinished and might not satisfy your expectations

There's no condition that Suguha has to fuck Inoda. I was quite happy with Hebishima's NTR which was different from Inoda's. The type of family ntr where the bull takes the sister away.
The removal of Hebishima was the biggest mistake, which later made Asuna and Kirito's strained relationship delusional. When Kirito "loves" and cares about Asuna, but at the same time cheats on her and forgets about her altogether.

What is your "NTR" definition anyways? Suguha had feelings for Kirito while Hebishima banging her, but how is this becomes NTR? If Kirito just sees her as her "sister", nothing more. By your logic, if someone fucks with any character other than MC it should be considered NTR. Then again, I'm not sure if Kirito is MC or not in this game, but this is another problem to discuss