The MC is weak but she will become stronger later down the storyline. It wouldnt be much of a story if the MC was powerfull from the start. The good thing is that she is feisty and got abit of a dominant personality, so she wont give up.
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There is tons of story.
But going around town, spending time with my apparent gal pal, the first sex scene shows you step mom's dominance and you being like "yeah i'm gonna be like that", and then said gal pal is like "Yeah i'm 100% onboard with you being fucking murdered so I can get your brother's dick.". That is not a dominant personality, that's just a loser protagonists in a sea of losers protagonists, and if she succeeds it's because destiny says so.
Like her being a heal bot = great, she can't succeed on her own. But if you are a dominant personality you don't need to = great I have minions to serve me. But It is in fact her "dominant personality" that I am questioning, because that's not remotely on display. Her personality is squarely in "Schlub who gets blessings" not "Feisty dom who is out gunned but fuck you people want to obey ME."
Tali's step mom has a dominant personality. She's able to get your dad on board with you being murdered. Tali does not, she does one entire action the entire demo, which you know she fails(failure is fine, failure of the one action you perform says a lot), and otherwise appears to be an idiot(I could tell my gal pal was cheating on me in 2 seconds.). She is not ever in control or asserting herself over others, no one WANTS to submit to her.
If gal pal stabbed my brother in the dick and called him a dickless wimp for daring to betray his sister DESPITE HER FEELINGS, i'd buy the dominant personality, but she doesn't. All those years and no one is in the talis corner except a skull masked god.
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Well it remains to be seen, if she is a failure. Its only just a demo.
Atleast the people considered the brother to be a traitor. Not like its going to change much since its a monarchy.
If it had real politics, maybe she could convince some part of the military and do a civil war to claim the throne or something.
Edit: yeah I also noticed, instantly, that something is fishy with the girl (you are supposed to marry). Cant say I like the obliviousness of the MC.
Atleast the people considered the brother to be a traitor. Not like its going to change much since its a monarchy.
If it had real politics, maybe she could convince some part of the military and do a civil war to claim the throne or something.
Edit: yeah I also noticed, instantly, that something is fishy with the girl (you are supposed to marry). Cant say I like the obliviousness of the MC.
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Lol whoops thought you were the OP with the "Feisty and dominant personality" comment, because....she does not.
But it being a demo or not this is the character's introduction, this is the main lens we will view her through the entire game.
She has one act of agency, choosing to do the goddess ritual, everything else is her being directed by someone else.
She might succeed but she still is "Loser protagonist" by my definition, ie someone who wouldn't be getting laid this much if the plot didn't say "AS THE PROTAGONIST OF SEX GAME YOU GET LAID", Rather than someone whose personality naturally leads to tapping that much ass or personality and circumstances, say they lose someone they were in a monogamous relationship. I can buy that flips a sudden switch to lots of ass, but not "NOW ADVENTURE".
Or a peasant revolt, the thing feudal societies fear most.
Yeah it's really bad especially when there's so many lines she could have said but the tag along says instead.
Anyways to go down the list of things off the top of my head of combination of "Annoyances I would have done" and "Sells feisty and dominant" without compromising what I know of the plot.
-Have dad NOT agree to you being murdered, have him defend you, let the traitors kill him.
-Replace the random assassins with the three starting simps, the assassin fight is pretty pointless, let me turn my brothers assassins on him with the promise of sex even if it's an unwinnable fight.
-Fudging something with the fiancé girl, especially when I can give her gifts and talk about how we are partners.
-Have the main character make observations not the tag along.
-The whole two houses side quest, i got bored, didn't want to look for fucking kids too. Why can't i just demand the wives tell me why the fuck they are so enamored with their neighbor?
-Let the main character do the burning spirits to practice instead of the brother, as it's another in the list of "shit i do cause other people said so.", it's also weird your teacher comments work together, because no, he's a dead little mommas boy. (may or may not comprimise shit, but if my options were work with brother who tried to usurp and kill me and ignore skull god, easy choice.)
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How dominant a player acts will be largely dependant on their choices
Yes the Assasins/Varion fight was meant to be unwinnable, I just fucked up and the heal spell is probably a bit too strong.
the twin house quest will be rewritten, but it will be more interesting once the whole intro town gets more lively, only half of it is really populated.
The relationship between Tali and Varion will also be expanded, the intro will likely have one more section before the game proper starts.
Yes the Assasins/Varion fight was meant to be unwinnable, I just fucked up and the heal spell is probably a bit too strong.
the twin house quest will be rewritten, but it will be more interesting once the whole intro town gets more lively, only half of it is really populated.
The relationship between Tali and Varion will also be expanded, the intro will likely have one more section before the game proper starts.
So anything on my level is out of the picture, got it.
Balancing issues happen.
All my statements were about if she was intended to be "Feisty and have a dominant personality" rather than just another "loser protagonist" in a sea of "loser protagonists". (That is to say a character getting laid because it's a porn game and not because it is a natural extension of who they are to have that damn much sex.)
It's kind of boring and what I did find of it was entirely by accident, like i looked for kids the only kids i saw weren't interactable.
I don't think any expansion you can do will do anything than make him more of a detestable little shit.
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Chill the fucking down???? Like i don't even understand why you so pissed off by a demo that isn't even fully finished, calm down pal, the game didn't even start for us to see the protag as a whole.So anything on my level is out of the picture, got it.
Balancing issues happen.
All my statements were about if she was intended to be "Feisty and have a dominant personality" rather than just another "loser protagonist" in a sea of "loser protagonists". (That is to say a character getting laid because it's a porn game and not because it is a natural extension of who they are to have that damn much sex.)
It's kind of boring and what I did find of it was entirely by accident, like i looked for kids the only kids i saw weren't interactable.
I don't think any expansion you can do will do anything than make him more of a detestable little shit.
We barely made her interact with anything or anyone for her to develop a more dominant personality, btw everything we learned from the plot points to her being more submissive in nature by how she was brought up (did you actually read anything or were just too pissed because Tali didn't make the goddess suck her cock right way?): lost her mother when she was very young; she clearly is looked down at by the step-mother all the time; her teachers direspects her (probably on the stepbitch demands); suffer for not having a strong parental figure to look up to (her father is fucking wuss); and have an overachieving young sibling that excels her in everything just because he was born lucky and he isn't mean to her so she can't just hate him and use it to fuel her will.
So it would be strange if she was dominant right way, with this upbringing anyone would end up weak willed rather than a dom protag. And of course that means shit because this is a fucking demo and we were show that we will rise her dom or sub status as we please as the game progress. So once again, you are saying too much while meaning literally nothing, seriously just chill and wait.
Well, I do agree with some points you made thought.
The quests are few and somewhat boring; the game is far too easy; should have more options to change the protag way of thinking things at least a little in that HUGE 7 years jump that amounted for absolutely nothing in my view; we could maybe kinda probably get a little frisky with our new tool, both alone and with company... it's like 'wow, now i have a cock and it's perfect normal, let's read the scriptures'.... just a bit weird.
But for now, that game is showing uo to be promising. I really liked the concept of Roll the Dice, hope we can see at least some of that mechanics here... even thougt rpgm is a little simplistic (even if i absolutely love it way more than twine, so many good memories~).
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The game is looking good, but somethings that could improve (i will not comment on grafics for now as i think you probably will improve it for the scenes latter on), but on to the plot and gameplay suggestions:
Plot:
-I think we should have more of Tali's imputs even if they are just thoughts in the interactions she have, it should give us more insight on what kind of character she is and who she can become;
-We should change slightly the outcome of the sucession fight IF Tali trigger some especifics requirements (story lesson + scroll 2, maybe interactions with the Queen and Alva can change slightly their comments and opinions on the Prince's plan as well), maybe have her try and come up with a countermeasure for it. She was sure her brother would do that and did nothign but wait FOR 7 years, for God's sake be more proactive;
-As a mentioned the 7 years jump in the latter section, let's talk about it. Basically it's too much time for literally nothing to happen. Here comes some suggestions:
1. Maybe let's us choose how she interacts with her brother, the Queen, her father, Alva and maybe some other future interectable/romanceacle character.
2. Let us choose some type of magic/craft/even weaponship to focus, therefore we have an up hand on some trainings, scenes, interactions and even romance later on (don't know which type of game you are planning, but this should offer something).
3. Let us choose how Tali acted about her new appendage: Was she curious? Did she 'got it on' with some maid? Was she grossed out by it and never tried anything? Basically, give us something to change her behavious about her sudden change.
-Give us some free lore for those interested in learning more about the game, many games have THAT library in the beggining in which you can learn about the game, many people (me included) love to learn more about rpg games, plot are usually very important to those (especially the character-driven and story-driven ones). These are entirely restricted to plot and lore and should have minimal if not zero impact on the gameplay.
That should sum up what i think about the plot, now about the gameplay:
-Making the fights harder is a given, but it shouldn't deprive those that don't like fights too much fun. So winning should offer you rewards (anything really: from extra xp, to scenes, to itens/equipament and even additional/secret characters interactions or scenes) while losing would either result into a plot point, a game over (if it's a MUSt win fight) or just the loss of the aforementioned rewards.
-Make sure that EVERY choice have an outcome, don't just offer diferents choices that won't give you anything, it removes the dinamic in the game.
Example: The choice of lesson you have (history, scriptures or fighting should offer different outcomes not just xp and a comment from Tali latter on). The question you ask the Goddess (change the Goddess behaviour towards Tali, maybe even 'give' her a bigger or smaller 'blessing' depending on the choice and some unique buff maybe, nothing too extraordinary).
Basically, every choice should give you some reward while depriving you of something that the other choices gave (could be possible get what you didn't later on by different choices if you want
-I know this will come up latelly, but let us choose at least one element for Tali to be more leaned towards (maybe different elements give different bonus to statuses? Earth = more armor/magic resistance. Fire = more damage. Wind = more movespeed+dodge chance and resistance to status ailments. Water = more mana and extra healing effects. And so on, i know that Tali herself said she wasn't good with elemental magic, but she should have an element she is more natural with, it sounds normal.
-The fight of the sucession shouldn't be a sure lose one, at least for the first engage with the assassins. As i said, reward the players that take combat more seriously, give something out of it even if relationship points with the brother or something seeming not too important while still charming the players into trying their best to fight for the win.
And i think, that sums up my ideas. Really, those are just suggestions take some inspiration (or even copy if you found some of then good enough) from then or not, it doesn't matter as i still look foward for more. Loved Roll the Dice concecept, hope to see some mechanics, characters or so in here, keep the good work and it shall reward you!
P.S. As i said, i won't comment in the scenes and the sex nature of the game yet as i'm sure you didn't finish your ideas for them. Will comment when more comes into light~ Love me some futa/trans, hope it turns good, dirty and 'femaledickfull'~
Plot:
-I think we should have more of Tali's imputs even if they are just thoughts in the interactions she have, it should give us more insight on what kind of character she is and who she can become;
-We should change slightly the outcome of the sucession fight IF Tali trigger some especifics requirements (story lesson + scroll 2, maybe interactions with the Queen and Alva can change slightly their comments and opinions on the Prince's plan as well), maybe have her try and come up with a countermeasure for it. She was sure her brother would do that and did nothign but wait FOR 7 years, for God's sake be more proactive;
-As a mentioned the 7 years jump in the latter section, let's talk about it. Basically it's too much time for literally nothing to happen. Here comes some suggestions:
1. Maybe let's us choose how she interacts with her brother, the Queen, her father, Alva and maybe some other future interectable/romanceacle character.
2. Let us choose some type of magic/craft/even weaponship to focus, therefore we have an up hand on some trainings, scenes, interactions and even romance later on (don't know which type of game you are planning, but this should offer something).
3. Let us choose how Tali acted about her new appendage: Was she curious? Did she 'got it on' with some maid? Was she grossed out by it and never tried anything? Basically, give us something to change her behavious about her sudden change.
-Give us some free lore for those interested in learning more about the game, many games have THAT library in the beggining in which you can learn about the game, many people (me included) love to learn more about rpg games, plot are usually very important to those (especially the character-driven and story-driven ones). These are entirely restricted to plot and lore and should have minimal if not zero impact on the gameplay.
That should sum up what i think about the plot, now about the gameplay:
-Making the fights harder is a given, but it shouldn't deprive those that don't like fights too much fun. So winning should offer you rewards (anything really: from extra xp, to scenes, to itens/equipament and even additional/secret characters interactions or scenes) while losing would either result into a plot point, a game over (if it's a MUSt win fight) or just the loss of the aforementioned rewards.
-Make sure that EVERY choice have an outcome, don't just offer diferents choices that won't give you anything, it removes the dinamic in the game.
Example: The choice of lesson you have (history, scriptures or fighting should offer different outcomes not just xp and a comment from Tali latter on). The question you ask the Goddess (change the Goddess behaviour towards Tali, maybe even 'give' her a bigger or smaller 'blessing' depending on the choice and some unique buff maybe, nothing too extraordinary).
Basically, every choice should give you some reward while depriving you of something that the other choices gave (could be possible get what you didn't later on by different choices if you want
-I know this will come up latelly, but let us choose at least one element for Tali to be more leaned towards (maybe different elements give different bonus to statuses? Earth = more armor/magic resistance. Fire = more damage. Wind = more movespeed+dodge chance and resistance to status ailments. Water = more mana and extra healing effects. And so on, i know that Tali herself said she wasn't good with elemental magic, but she should have an element she is more natural with, it sounds normal.
-The fight of the sucession shouldn't be a sure lose one, at least for the first engage with the assassins. As i said, reward the players that take combat more seriously, give something out of it even if relationship points with the brother or something seeming not too important while still charming the players into trying their best to fight for the win.
And i think, that sums up my ideas. Really, those are just suggestions take some inspiration (or even copy if you found some of then good enough) from then or not, it doesn't matter as i still look foward for more. Loved Roll the Dice concecept, hope to see some mechanics, characters or so in here, keep the good work and it shall reward you!
P.S. As i said, i won't comment in the scenes and the sex nature of the game yet as i'm sure you didn't finish your ideas for them. Will comment when more comes into light~ Love me some futa/trans, hope it turns good, dirty and 'femaledickfull'~
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I wasn't angry, dissapointed sure but I rarely see things that even look like my prefrences, disapoint that this isn't for me is normal.
That was my point, she's not "Dominant and feisty", she's passive and meek, but if she was supposed to be these are ways to show that.
All your points about her upbringing are 100% true.
Two gods DID like tali for basically no reason and one bailed her out for basically no reason...twice.
There being no fallout to the first bail is honestly one of the most offputting things.
You met your god, they aren't you who thought, another god saves you, explicitly because he wants your service. That's life defining. Annnnddddd he just saves her again at the end of the demo. She's not curious or anything, she doesn't start praying to him in secret, nothing. Then her brother knows more about her new patron than she does apparently? Da Fuq?
It's an introduction to her character, It's presumably the first part of the full game. It's the most important moments of teaching us about her because we have no preconceptions. It's probably where I would have jumped realizing the game wasn't for me even if I had found this game complete.
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So, I've spoken to every character in town and nobody can give me any info on the neighbours hussle or aren't their children.
You have to speak with the children during the evening (that means you have to progress a little bit), other wise they wont talk to you about the quest.
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Its been a couple of months since I played, so I dont remeber correctly but I think to progress you have to go to the church, the children are the ones playing around in the park, in the right part of town.
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Check the tavern then? Maybe you can speak with your companion to progress.Still no progress after visiting the church...
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