Ano85

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Any game that ends up on this website becomes "free" regardless of whether or not they are. "Cheap" shouldn't be our concern, "quality" and "fast" should. IMO an update every 6 months is already a pretty generous timeframe compared to most indie porn games out there. This game may be niche but taking 3+ years to release a new update - that's even less likely to attract paying costumers.

Making xeno art every once in a while is probably the only thing keeping his patreons around. Ain't no chance someone is sticking around for that long for nothing in return, not unless they have money to burn or forgot they are subbed. I think I once read that art is the most laborious part of the game, if he wants to make it all AA+ then no wonder it's taking forever...

At this rate he might as well just drop the game and become a full-time xeno porn artist, but he probably won't because then he would lose the patreons that stuck around just for the game... It's true that +800$ a month isn't a whole lot but that's more than half the amount requested by the dev to treat this as his full-time job. Even if progress is slow, is it 3-year slow?
Here we go again...

This is a passion project. MD doesn't care about the money.

You cannot use your usual frame of criticism here, because the project's fundamental motivation is completely different from the stuff that gets posted here.

Even if he got no money for this project at all, and only his close friends would be able to access it, he would still continue making it.

Edit: One other thing. Art isn't the most "laborious" part of this game. MD can churn that out like a machinegun.
 

Ano85

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And there goes my hopes for this game...
"Pet project" of a slow and overly ambitious "artsy" dev with no interest in money? Yeah, you're more likely to win the lottery than seeing this game finished.

Things like these are why I prefer these "super personal projects" to remain closed to the public. Can't get my hopes up about something if I don't know about its existence. The dev may not have the desire or inclination to appease the crowds and release things in a timely fashion but he made the project public and is making money off of it. That creates expectations in people, regardless of whether or not he cares about that. But whatever... nothing I can do about it.

PS: He wrote on his blog that he chose the "sketchy, unfinished style" style on purpose because the game has too many pictures and it would take a long ass time to draw all of them in color and detail. His words, not mine. So yes, "laborious" if he decides to make everything high quality...
You are repeatedly venting about how a free to play porn game's development has hurt your feelings. I'm trying to give a new perspective here because we live in a world where YandereDev was a thing. However, I'm not sure what your goal here is. You don't have nearly enough data to draw a conclusion here, and even if you gave us the most complete explanation of why the capitalist outlook is better than being a content stoic, you are arguing against a fundamental development philosophy, thus we simply wouldn't care.
MD cares about the expectations of people, but he's more like a street musician (who is out there having fun) you give some change to whenever you feel like it, rather than one that tours the world hosting concerts for millions.

Like I said before, the game is never going to have a complete narrative ending.
"John Teraurge goes through the dungeon, kills god, uses the McGuffin Machinery to travel back home. The End. You got ending C."
Endings related to starting a family and settling down with different characters is one way of how it will work. Hence the leaks months ago of a pregnant femPC.

The sketchy style works perfectly considering that player agency is one of the key writing rules MD has set. If a character tries to do something with you that you don't want, you get your chance to bail. So gay hard tops rejoice, malePC isn't going to be forced to bottom without you agreeing to it.
The potent color usage for the sketchy-style also makes them unique in an expressionist way, giving the scenes a more visualized emotional tone. This alone makes it more complex than your regular stick figure sketches, which are used merely as a stepping stone for the completion of an art piece. Knowing this, how "unfinished" they are in one's perspective becomes debatable.
 

DegenerateLord

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...I think I once read that art is the most laborious part of the game,...
Actually, the art is the fun part. It's the writing/coding that's the most laborious part.
(and before anyone says he should just hire a coder then, TU really started as a coding learning project if i recall.)
 
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Quintilus

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If a company went 3 years without showing any kind of progress or result to their investors/publishers, the latter would twist their arm about it. That's how I see things.
So thats why facebook created meta universe, to show that they actually do something.
 

caporalll

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The red squares you see here are placeholder items to showcase inventory size.

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I also got news about the combat... and I'm trying my best to comprehend it.
I think it means that you can get more points with practise (morrowind style), you can also mod new ones with scripting, and only skills with points may mean that we can get other skills like ex: learn how yo make a origami frog, you dont need skill points for that

That's only my take, I'm probably wrong.
 

Ano85

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I think it means that you can get more points with practise (morrowind style), you can also mod new ones with scripting, and only skills with points may mean that we can get other skills like ex: learn how yo make a origami frog, you dont need skill points for that

That's only my take, I'm probably wrong.
No, the stuff about combat is something that I didn't talk about here yet.
So...

You got both static checks:
4 points are needed in Analysis to pass -> you have 4 -> you passed

Or non-static:
2 points are needed to pass -> you have 4 (in a stat or skill) -> you roll a d4 (4-sided die) -> result determines if you passed or not

It's gonna be like Dungeons and Dragons I think. With combinations of static bonuses and die rolls. I think points in skills are only going to represent the maximum die you can roll when they are checked.
Example:
10 points in melee = d10 melee roll

A combination of this would look like (if my theories are correct):
10 points in melee + 4 points in brawn + 4 points in finesse = d10 melee roll + 4 + 4

Situational checks:
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Unrelated stuff:
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The Witch isn't going to send you out like some kind of errand boy. It makes sense considering she just met you and has no reason to trust you with something like this.
 

DaisyChained

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I hope MD adds some of the stream art as random encounters. Might as well since it's in universe, especially the feral stuff. I suppose it would be easy to mod it in anyways, but seems like a very low effort way to add a lot of quality art considering it's already drawn.
 
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Ferghus

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(I edited my post several times trying to find the right words to express my point. Your comment was posted 40 minutes after my last edit, yet it is still quoting my old post. Glad to know I'm not the only one who can spend an an eternity writing an answer...)

Whether the product is being distributed for free doesn't matter in the least. MD made his game public and is accepting money for it. Because we live in a capitalist world, when money's involved, people assume they are entitled to a few things about the product, or in this case, the development and process of thereof. Patreon is a platform where services are exchanged for money and this has led content creators developing a flexible attitude in an attempt to attract more costumers. As a result, people have come to expect Patreon products to be something they can mold to their whims.

If MD has a different philosophy then he should make it loud and clear instead of relying on word of mouth. Some of the "negativity" surrounding this game could have been avoided with better transparency, as this isn't your standard Patreon game, moved by money, that shifts and changes to accommodate people's desires. There would be complaints regardless, but at least then it wouldn't have been by a lack of warning... At least now I can temper my expectations about this game.
My guy, that's not how that works. First of all, that's not your money and I've no reason to believe you speak for the people who are supporting the artist. Second of all, if you're throwing money at someone without understanding what you're paying for, that's 100% on you.
people assume they are entitled to a few things about the product
Well, if you meet any of them, you can tell them to get bent.
 

absolutefrogge

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All these news, wow. The combat system sounds complicated in a good way, can't wait to get my hands on that.
Can't emphasize enough how much life seeing this thread thrive gives me. Ano, you're an angel, your every post is that shot of "everything will be alright" juice that we all need. No matter how things are, the sweet sweet nectar of xeno goodness is upon us.
Now with that aside, question to Ano85 - could you clarify what exactly your relation with MD is? I've been neglecting to join the teraurge server, so enlighten me here - does MD share this stuff publicly and you're just the one kind soul to repost it here, or are you an honest-to-god bona fide insider?
 
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Ano85

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All these news, wow. The combat system sounds complicated in a good way, can't wait to get my hands on that.
Can't emphasize enough how much life seeing this thread thrive gives me. Ano, you're an angel, your every post is that shot of "everything will be alright" juice that we all need. No matter how things are, the sweet sweet nectar of xeno goodness is upon us.
Now with that aside, question to Ano85 - could you clarify what exactly your relation with MD is? I've been neglecting to join the teraurge server, so enlighten me here - does MD share this stuff publicly and you're just the one kind soul to repost it here, or are you an honest-to-god bona fide insider?
I'm one of MD's close friends if we can call it that. I've known him for at least 3-4 years now since the Picarto days. We had a rocky start because I was an entitled little bastard like many people complaining here but I ended up changing for the better.

We have our own discord server as MD was against making an official TU discord... and then people ended up making an unofficial one anyway. It has 800~ members currently and I gotta say people don't regret joining in. It's a comfy server with a surprising amount of camaraderie. MD posts info there every now and then (when he has anything substantial to show). I noticed that f95 has a teraurge thread and I started relaying the information here. It's a lot of fun, seeing people get excited here about the updates.

I'm technically an insider too. A bunch of info I shared here and on the unofficial discord wasn't shared to people yet. MD doesn't share much with us either however. Compared to the info shared on the unofficial discord and here, I have seen exactly one V3 art that wasn't shared anywhere else. I'm not going to share that, it's a pretty heavy content spoiler even without any context. If I get my hands on the V3 beta, then you can maybe expect some info. Things that are not spoilery, and if MD approves.

Quite a few people in MD's server are future contributors and we do our best to support him. I think V3 will have a contributor project in it, and I trust that it will be more in-line with the writing and gameplay rules MD has set out compared to Sulee.

If anyone decides to join the server, you can ask questions from MD there (don't forget to check the pinned comments). You also better get ready for the onslaught of lyluks, nothing can stop them.

Unrelated:
About the combat. MD sometimes lurks here and just told me that the die rolls won't have static bonuses. So it's not that close to Dungeons and Dragons. Instead of d6+5 like I imagined, it's just d6 for example.
 
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LeperDrag

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I see a lot of people defending the extremely long update time. It ranges from it's a passion project, but if it really is one there's not much passion at least compared to his request streams, to he's working on it. Guys no game should take 3 years to update, at that point it's either abandoned, forgotten or the dev is making an entire brand new game. I'd love to see more updates but sadly the creator isn't really that invested, he's more focused on art requests and streaming I mean he does it almost daily. So don't hold out for hope that if we get an update it'll be anything huge and don't take as it'll now get update frequently, it won't the game isn't a priority and most likely won't ever be
 
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