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Holy fuck dude, you are seriously arguing against the very definition of the word and trying to twist it like I am the one using language wrong
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It seems to me that you use the definition of "cuck" as the short for "cuckold" (a husband deceived by an adulterous wife, unaware of his wife's unfaithfulness, wiki definition in the whole article
) what the MC is not but may become, where Segnbora uses the urban dictionary definition of "cuck" (a man who is desperate for acceptance, approval, and affection from women. This desperation has led to the compromise of his beliefs and values, the desecration of his dignity and self-worth, and his inability to stand up for himself and what he deserves as a human being, eg. loyalty, fidelity, and honesty in a romantic relationship.), what the MC is not but may become towards Anne if he does to much shit.He does not twist anything, neither do you, simply none of you uses the same def, IMHO.
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"Cuckold" retains its original meaning. In modern usage, "cuck" is deployed as an insult layered over the actual definition, and quite frequently in situations that have nothing to do with cuckolding, or sex, or relationships. The majority of the times the latter term appears in this thread it's most definitely meant as an insult.
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I was really pleased to see you post this.
You seem to be the one of the only members on here who gets this(or at least posts about it).
We just seem to go around in circles in this thread.
People constantly crying over a CG woman cheating on 'them' with other CG men.
And , even recently, others posting that the mc doesn't get to have any 'fun'. Wtf?!
He's banging everything that moves(or has the option to).
You just couldn't make it up.
A slut Is a slut Is a cuck is a cuck.
The funy part is actually people getting offended about comments in a porn game. Most funy part is people trying to acuse others of misogynism based on that.
The game is a cuckold game from the start. Someone mentioned earlier that its first name was the cuckold couple that would actually be more acurate.
Revamp is supposed to be more balanced in terms of their relatioship, but honestly i dont get it how to balance a relatioship that MC wants to see His wife getting fucked.
In 4 revamped chapters that MC is ready to go all in from start and anne has to be pursuaded we have
About anne
About mc
That is if you go all full in with both characters
The fact is that you cant balance a cuck relatioship which is strictly designed that way from start. MC sex scenes are atm anticlimatic with no building up and with no emotional background. They are Just there As a sidething to mainstory, trying to balance things, and trying to show Him less passive and less cuck than he trully is.
I dont like ntr or cuckolding or to be more acurate i cant relate to it. I cant jerk of to a cuckold game As i can jerk of to a cuckold video.
Dont try to balance things when the relatioship is designed in an unbalanced bases. Go full way. Go full way.
It would be cockblocking for most of the people to see MC humiliated to the edge.
But it would be fun to see ntr guru's or phd in cuckolding people reaction if MC gets erection problems, get Fucked in the Ass by one of wife's lover or gets beaten up by a wife's fucksquad because he misbehaves
The funy part is actually people getting offended about comments in a porn game. Most funy part is people trying to acuse others of misogynism based on that.
The game is a cuckold game from the start. Someone mentioned earlier that its first name was the cuckold couple that would actually be more acurate.
Revamp is supposed to be more balanced in terms of their relatioship, but honestly i dont get it how to balance a relatioship that MC wants to see His wife getting fucked.
In 4 revamped chapters that MC is ready to go all in from start and anne has to be pursuaded we have
About anne
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That is if you go all full in with both characters
The fact is that you cant balance a cuck relatioship which is strictly designed that way from start. MC sex scenes are atm anticlimatic with no building up and with no emotional background. They are Just there As a sidething to mainstory, trying to balance things, and trying to show Him less passive and less cuck than he trully is.
I dont like ntr or cuckolding or to be more acurate i cant relate to it. I cant jerk of to a cuckold game As i can jerk of to a cuckold video.
Dont try to balance things when the relatioship is designed in an unbalanced bases. Go full way. Go full way.
It would be cockblocking for most of the people to see MC humiliated to the edge.
But it would be fun to see ntr guru's or phd in cuckolding people reaction if MC gets erection problems, get Fucked in the Ass by one of wife's lover or gets beaten up by a wife's fucksquad because he misbehaves
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Sure thing we dont play the same game. As i am refering to the revamp, and you mentioned how Hot Is to fuck chloe which Is at ch 9. Lol dude
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I was referring to the revamp either, dude, and it's not me who mentioned Chloe
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Yet here you are playing it and commenting on it.
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Haven't played this since chapter 6 Lost it and only recently noticed my copy was out of date. Ignore this I am more commenting to get updates.
That's not even an arguement. For sure i can play whatever i want, fap to whatever i want, and comment whatever i want. Already told i can fap to a cuckold game As to a cuckold video.
At least trying to make an arguement, you admitted that this Is a pure cuckold ntr game, without trying to hit us with all the guru staff about cuckolding definitions.
Openminded to all kinks but not to opposite opinion Is a weird thing.
My opinion Is that you cant balance this. And sure you cant balance this with no background sex scenes for the MC witch Come As eralds.
And with no antagonist to anne in an emotional level. The scenes you actually get for both of them with stranger Is what i counted in an previous post.
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Look over the part of your post I quoted again. The words "can't" and "can" mean opposite things in the English language.
I don't understand the concern about balance. You can play the game with perfect balance - don't have the MC push Anne to having sex with other people and the game will end with neither of them sleeping around. The whole starting premise of the game is the MC pushing Anne to have sex with other people, so complaining about balance seems like a waste of time.
If the argument you are trying to make is that the game would be better and more interesting if there was a girl who could form an emotional attachment with the MC, while I don't necessarily agree I think that is a fair argument to make. I would say that the rewrite isn't finished yet. There are some hints that might happen in the non-reworked version. And who knows what will happen Chap 11, 12 etc? Anne did ask the MC to have sex with a girl in front of her in the previous version, I expect the same thing will happen in this one.
I don't understand the concern about balance. You can play the game with perfect balance - don't have the MC push Anne to having sex with other people and the game will end with neither of them sleeping around. The whole starting premise of the game is the MC pushing Anne to have sex with other people, so complaining about balance seems like a waste of time.
If the argument you are trying to make is that the game would be better and more interesting if there was a girl who could form an emotional attachment with the MC, while I don't necessarily agree I think that is a fair argument to make. I would say that the rewrite isn't finished yet. There are some hints that might happen in the non-reworked version. And who knows what will happen Chap 11, 12 etc? Anne did ask the MC to have sex with a girl in front of her in the previous version, I expect the same thing will happen in this one.
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In the original, certainly both Nicole and especially Ellen (if I'm getting her name right; the MC's ex) are emotional competition for the MC's affections. Chloe and the newish employee whose name I can't remember also seemed like they might be be headed down that path. Maybe even the diner customer who keeps spiriting the MC off to her house; I tend to view exclusionary NPC's — ones that close off alternative sexual paths — more seriously. In the revamp, Nicole, Elena, and January already seem much more important to the MC than they were in the original (well, the latter didn't exist in the original, but still). Contrast that with Martin, Ryan, and Dre (plus maybe Marcus) and that's "balance" in the sense that the concept means anything in the game. It's extremely likely that all those characters will reappear in the revamp, considering the work that went into them in the original.
In any case, to wish for an "emotional antagonist" for Anne is to miss the rather important fact that she already has one: her husband. He loves her, but whether or not he respects her enough to mange his fetish based on her feelings is the philosophical underpinning for this story as a game rather than a kinetic novel. In most playthroughs, he doesn't. He certainly doesn't respect her enough to listen to her when she begs him to stop fucking other women and hiding it/lying about it. The best part of the revamp is taking this conflict and making it part of the gameplay; the MC's own sexual choices matter. Hence the three different ways that crucial potential confrontation in Punta Cana can play out. That's already an enormous improvement in the story logic.
But Retromancer is right in that balance is foundationally irrelevant in this game, and demanding it anyway is another part of the controlling, misogynistic response I've been talking about. The MC's desire for Anne to have sex with others is the core of the narrative. Sexual imbalance is the nature of the game, baked in from the very start. We, the players, are complicit in this, because the game makes no secret of the fact that this is what it's about. There are zillions of games in which the MC marinating his manhood in every available orifice is the purpose of the game; this isn't one of them. This is about pushing Anne to sleep around for the fetishistic sexual pleasure of the MC and what the consequences of that might be. The MC can choose to be faithful or not, but in the original it doesn't matter at all and in the revamp it's not the relationship-affecting concept; honesty is. Again, despite the name being shared with the game itself none of the emails challenge the husband; they're always about the wife pushing her sexual boundaries. Even if the player chooses to have the MC sleep around as often as possible, it's not the same as what he's asking Anne to do; in the original, the MC not only acts and lies about it with impunity, he's never even given a chance to be open about it, because it never occurs to him to care what she thinks about it. When Anne confronts him with her displeasure — which she does, repeatedly — he halfheartedly apologizes and then goes right back to the same behavior, having learned nothing because he's not really listening to her. That's because the story isn't about what Anne wants, and in fact the story being pointedly not about what Anne wants is the trigger for Anne losing respect for the MC and deciding that she's taking control of her sexual adventures. All of the "this probably isn't going to end well" paths rely on the MC not understanding this until it's too late, which is what I'd call both Martin and the second Ryan encounter. And likely, when we eventually get the content that would've been chapter 11, Dre round two.
Whether or not a given player would like a pure swinging/open relationship game in which everything happens with openness and honesty (and FWIW, I'd really enjoy a game like that), that's not TAC's DNA. Trying to deliver a game in which that's a possible path while also delivering willing cuckold, unwilling cuckold, and cheating paths (for both characters) is a large part of how the original went off the tracks, and that's becaue it's hard. The others can be delivered with minor dialogue tweaks; swinging/open relationship requires either scene inclusion, scene jumps, or unique scenes. We'll see how the revamp does with this, if it's even going to try. I hope it does, but if it's a choice between that or a coherent, completed game, I'll take the latter.
In any case, to wish for an "emotional antagonist" for Anne is to miss the rather important fact that she already has one: her husband. He loves her, but whether or not he respects her enough to mange his fetish based on her feelings is the philosophical underpinning for this story as a game rather than a kinetic novel. In most playthroughs, he doesn't. He certainly doesn't respect her enough to listen to her when she begs him to stop fucking other women and hiding it/lying about it. The best part of the revamp is taking this conflict and making it part of the gameplay; the MC's own sexual choices matter. Hence the three different ways that crucial potential confrontation in Punta Cana can play out. That's already an enormous improvement in the story logic.
But Retromancer is right in that balance is foundationally irrelevant in this game, and demanding it anyway is another part of the controlling, misogynistic response I've been talking about. The MC's desire for Anne to have sex with others is the core of the narrative. Sexual imbalance is the nature of the game, baked in from the very start. We, the players, are complicit in this, because the game makes no secret of the fact that this is what it's about. There are zillions of games in which the MC marinating his manhood in every available orifice is the purpose of the game; this isn't one of them. This is about pushing Anne to sleep around for the fetishistic sexual pleasure of the MC and what the consequences of that might be. The MC can choose to be faithful or not, but in the original it doesn't matter at all and in the revamp it's not the relationship-affecting concept; honesty is. Again, despite the name being shared with the game itself none of the emails challenge the husband; they're always about the wife pushing her sexual boundaries. Even if the player chooses to have the MC sleep around as often as possible, it's not the same as what he's asking Anne to do; in the original, the MC not only acts and lies about it with impunity, he's never even given a chance to be open about it, because it never occurs to him to care what she thinks about it. When Anne confronts him with her displeasure — which she does, repeatedly — he halfheartedly apologizes and then goes right back to the same behavior, having learned nothing because he's not really listening to her. That's because the story isn't about what Anne wants, and in fact the story being pointedly not about what Anne wants is the trigger for Anne losing respect for the MC and deciding that she's taking control of her sexual adventures. All of the "this probably isn't going to end well" paths rely on the MC not understanding this until it's too late, which is what I'd call both Martin and the second Ryan encounter. And likely, when we eventually get the content that would've been chapter 11, Dre round two.
Whether or not a given player would like a pure swinging/open relationship game in which everything happens with openness and honesty (and FWIW, I'd really enjoy a game like that), that's not TAC's DNA. Trying to deliver a game in which that's a possible path while also delivering willing cuckold, unwilling cuckold, and cheating paths (for both characters) is a large part of how the original went off the tracks, and that's becaue it's hard. The others can be delivered with minor dialogue tweaks; swinging/open relationship requires either scene inclusion, scene jumps, or unique scenes. We'll see how the revamp does with this, if it's even going to try. I hope it does, but if it's a choice between that or a coherent, completed game, I'll take the latter.
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I agree in most part with both of you. Especially at the argument that sexually inbalance Is there at the core of the game. Already noted that it Is very difficult to balance this, and Already proposed an all the way unbalanced route.
The argument "beware what you wish for" Is out of reality because even if you make all the negative decisions for both you and anne he ends up getting Fucked in vacation in both original and revamped edition. I am OK with that since this Is As said already the core of the game.
The be "honest to your wife" argument Is also a false argument. You dont get the chance to disquss different terms in your sexual relationship in both editions. Only way to stay faithfull and keep her happy Is to stay sexually inactive with strangers. And do that while anne Fucks everyone and everything that walks around, and As your sexual life with her declines to zero at Last 3-4 chapters. Transformed Into a total cuckold Is the forced option to be faithfull to her
Now about the revamp so far. Both of above issues are not "solved". The first one Is in the core of the game and cant and wont be changed.
But the second issue Is crucial to not lead to a pure cuckold gameplay in future in my opinion. Noted 2 main differences in the revamp edition. The couple has far more less sex scenes between them in the revamp. MC has less sex scenes in the revamp. Mentioning Nicole i dont think you get to fuck her at all at the 4 revamped chapters. Anne has more sex scenes with strangers in the revamp edition.
Original chapters was a mess at the end. It was all about a meaningless fuckfest. I am also very curious how the dev Will go on with the revamp
The argument "beware what you wish for" Is out of reality because even if you make all the negative decisions for both you and anne he ends up getting Fucked in vacation in both original and revamped edition. I am OK with that since this Is As said already the core of the game.
The be "honest to your wife" argument Is also a false argument. You dont get the chance to disquss different terms in your sexual relationship in both editions. Only way to stay faithfull and keep her happy Is to stay sexually inactive with strangers. And do that while anne Fucks everyone and everything that walks around, and As your sexual life with her declines to zero at Last 3-4 chapters. Transformed Into a total cuckold Is the forced option to be faithfull to her
Now about the revamp so far. Both of above issues are not "solved". The first one Is in the core of the game and cant and wont be changed.
But the second issue Is crucial to not lead to a pure cuckold gameplay in future in my opinion. Noted 2 main differences in the revamp edition. The couple has far more less sex scenes between them in the revamp. MC has less sex scenes in the revamp. Mentioning Nicole i dont think you get to fuck her at all at the 4 revamped chapters. Anne has more sex scenes with strangers in the revamp edition.
Original chapters was a mess at the end. It was all about a meaningless fuckfest. I am also very curious how the dev Will go on with the revamp
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That's not what I mean. The MC initiates their games because he thinks it'll spice up their sex life, because he gets off on it, and because it's what he wants. Anne goes along and enjoys it, and at first it does seem to energize their own sex life. But as the story progresses, the MC keeps pushing Anne into sexual encounters without any indication that it's still a couple-based activity. She recognizes that this is no longer about them, it's about him. Meanwhile, she's getting a ton of really enjoyable sex with whoever she wants (which, the narrative eventually hints, is what she was like before she settled down with the MC). The two conditions combine to make her seek out her own sexual enjoyment without worrying about what the MC wants, and eventually to cheat on him and lie about it. This is a state of affairs (wordplay intended) that the husband caused, and over which he no longer has any control. The genie's out of the bottle and the husband no longer knows where he tossed the cork. Meanwhile, Anne's being sodomized by the genie and loving it.
Now, in a properly written and properly coded game, one of two things would be true. The first is that this is where the game was always headed, no matter what, and from the moment they started playing their sexual games the relationship was either doomed or fated to settle into a constant stream of both open and adulterous affairs. The second is that there's a way to maintain boundaries, love, and trust while still having sex with others, and that while a "doomed" or "fated" relationship is still quite probable, it's not the only possible outcome. That's what the previous version attempted but failed to accomplish.
Whether or not the MC has sex with others in the original is utterly irrelevant. It's there for the player's optional enjoyment. (I suspect that, eventually, the pregnancy storyline would've affected their relationship, but we never got there. Probably Ellen, too.) Only the player's choices regarding Anne actually matter. In the revamp, though — at least so far — the MC having sex with others still doesn't matter. All that matters is whether or not he's honest about it.
In the case of the revamp, this is wrong. The MC's honesty (or lack thereof) specifically trips a variable that leads to acceptance, a kinda-bad outcome, or a game over.
Again, not true. In the original, the husband can sit around at home, work, watch movies, nap, go to the gym, or screw/impregnate anyone with a vagina, and the only effect is Anne complaining about it. It's the choices regarding Anne that determine whether or not she's going to cheat and what sort of relationship they're going to have. It's just not written/coded coherently. Now, in the revamp, the husband's non-Anne choices do matter. At least so far.
It's not perfect — the MC still doesn't tell her absolutely everything — but it's much better than the original. And if they have a relationship in which they trust each other to not break the rules whether or not they've discussed it beforehand, which the positive version of Anne's three reactions to Elena suggests they do, that's fine.
Yes you do.
In the revamp, Anne can have actual sex (not just fondling or teasing) with up to three men in Punta Cana, plus a path-exclusive encounter with either another man, a woman, or a pair of men. Then another path-exclusive encounter with one of two men (one of them hasn't progressed to penetrative sex yet, but based on the original we know it's going to). Whereas the MC can have actual sex (not just fondling or teasing) with two masseuses, between one and three (some path-exclusive) women in Punta Cana, and two or three path-exclusive women once they're back home (I don't remember if Naomi is path-exclusive vs. Nicole/January or not). That's pretty even. Did some of those scenes come at the cost of husband/wife scenes? Maybe; I'm not going to go back to the original and check. But then again there was a whole bunch of new (and frankly more storyline-appropriate) sexual content added to replace it, so I think it's a wash.
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Wow, wow, wow! Congrats Mircom3D! You are making such a moving game, so that people playing it, start arguing like a bunch of professors in phychology over the book "Lolita"
Chill out, guys! It is only a game and it is a hell of an adventurous game.
Mircom3D Keep up the good work, dude! If only you could be a little faster but without compromising quality
Chill out, guys! It is only a game and it is a hell of an adventurous game.
Mircom3D Keep up the good work, dude! If only you could be a little faster but without compromising quality
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Agreed. You won't find people picking apart an uninteresting game for (nearly) 200 pages. I mean, the dev's actually remaking his game because there were enough people — I assume including the dev — who found the rather enormous amount of work he'd already put into it compelling but unsatisfactory in very specific and fixable ways. People care about the game because it's good, but talk about it because it could be so much better.
What I hope is that this level of interest has been reflected in his Patreon subscribers.
What I hope is that this level of interest has been reflected in his Patreon subscribers.
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Final score is 2/5 for the og 1-10
Has a great story and plot. 5/5
But there is no real consequence for choices and thus no real gameplay. 1/5
Has a great story and plot. 5/5
But there is no real consequence for choices and thus no real gameplay. 1/5