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I always liked that Tony had the option to fuck Anne's mom whether or not Anne fucked Martin. He did it in the living room while Anne was sulking in the guest bedroom so there is virtually no chance that Anne didn't lay there listening to it thinking "Mom! You fucking whore! Why do you always do this?" Yet that storyline never gets the same hate as the Martin storyline.
 
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EvolutionKills

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So how do you get the full game? It has 1-10, 14, and 15. where is 11-13? It would be much easier for one download for the whole game.
You don't.

Chapter 1-10 was the first attempt to tell this story.

Chapter 1-14 was the first reboot, retreading the ground of the original and then some.

Chapter 15 was technically The Adventurous Couple 2, meant to be a hard break in the narrative, but also a direct continuation of the Chapters 1-14 version. It was a way to make the game smaller, and have an excuse to trim a lot of the excess characters, stories, and tangents that were going nowhere that the game had accumulated up to that point. Think of it like when Disney bought Star Wars, then they went about deciding what was and was not 'cannon' going forward (out with Luke Skywalker getting married to Mara Jade, in with Palpatine clones).

The latest version is yet another reboot, going back to the very beginning of the story for now the 3rd time. It has far less content than what is in Chapter 1-14, but outside of some marginally better renders, what content is there is nearly identical to the content it does cover from the previous version (and makes me personally wonder why in the fuck we're even here doing this song and dance yet again).
 
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I always liked that Tony had the option to fuck Anne's mom whether or not Anne fucked Martin. He did it in the living room while Anne was sulking in the guest bedroom so there is virtually no chance that Anne didn't lay there listening to it thinking "Mom! You fucking whore! Why do you always do this?" Yet that storyline never gets the same hate as the Martin storyline.
Let's be real here. This game is almost certainly made by a dude, for a largely dude audience; and that audience is gonna be way more forgiving to a fellow dude being an asshole in the name of getting pussy than they are to said author/audience-insert character being cucked.

Actually, I can't help but wonder if that's one of the big main issues. Maybe the author never really wanted to put NTR stuff into the game? The problem being that once they did it, they found out they didn't much like it themselves, but it also happened to be both popular and also accidently became the most interesting stuff in the story? Anne takes to all of the sharing stuff so easily, there's no real conflict or drama if you're doing a straight and honest swinging route. Things only get interesting by accident whenever Anne starts to be unfaithful, as that's the first real injection of conflict and making anything here actually engaging. Without the infidelity, the game's narrative is just a series of Anne bumping into someone, having sex with them, telling her husband while she jerks him off, they kiss each other and go to bed, repeat ad nauseam.

Again, this all ties back to how the game's largest deficiency is its writing, and that's precisely what has had little to no improvement across now 3 iterations of the same damn story.
 

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I mean, it still does? Whenever I go to a McDonalds or someplace with public wifi, instead of hoping that my phone properly connects automatically, I just open up an Incognito tab in Chrome and type 'bbc.com' to quickly force the browser to go to the re-direct page so I can sign-off and use their wifi. I could do the same with MSN.com or AOL.com, but BBC.com is simultaneously classier and funnier.
 
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Let's be real here. This game is almost certainly made by a dude, for a largely dude audience; and that audience is gonna be way more forgiving to a fellow dude being an asshole in the name of getting pussy than they are to said author/audience-insert character being cucked.

Actually, I can't help but wonder if that's one of the big main issues. Maybe the author never really wanted to put NTR stuff into the game? The problem being that once they did it, they found out they didn't much like it themselves, but it also happened to be both popular and also accidently became the most interesting stuff in the story? Anne takes to all of the sharing stuff so easily, there's no real conflict or drama if you're doing a straight and honest swinging route. Things only get interesting by accident whenever Anne starts to be unfaithful, as that's the first real injection of conflict and making anything here actually engaging. Without the infidelity, the game's narrative is just a series of Anne bumping into someone, having sex with them, telling her husband while she jerks him off, they kiss each other and go to bed, repeat ad nauseam.

Again, this all ties back to how the game's largest deficiency is its writing, and that's precisely what has had little to no improvement across now 3 iterations of the same damn story.
Whilst it's quite possible that some of the men who play this game are ignorant enough to view Tony's infidelities through blinkers, and consider that Anne is far worse than him. I don't believe for one minute that the Dev is one of them. And I don't believe he has any issue with the MC being cucked or viewed as a Beta male, because why then would he include those scenes where Anne invites to Tony to kiss her cum covered/filled mouth? There is so much NTR type content in this game, that only someone who was very comfortable with that, could have possibly written it. And if you aren't getting that, perhaps you're also viewing this game through blinkers as well?

It seems to me, you're one of these people who can't imagine any visual novel being interesting to people, if the writing isn't top notch. Most people who play these games couldn't care less about the writing because it's the visual fap content that really interests them, and the quality of writing comes a very poor second to the imagery. The biggest issue with this game is not the writing, it's that the Dev started it with no clear plan about where he wanted to go with it. He didn't know how it was going to end, and therefore it's no surprise that he got lost in the middle of it, and ended up flailing around aimlessly, losing all his initial passion for the project.

It appears he's now finally realised this, and hopefully is now working to a plan, which has a beginning, middle and ending. That was what was missing, and led to all the confusion that mired the first version of this project. Having a clearer vision going forward can only improve the writing, even if it never meets the impeccable standards that you seem to demand.
 

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The impeccable writing standards is not a problem I think the writing is good for a Visual Novel.
The story is clear at this point... the beginning and the middle is already good in the CH14/15 with the remake will be better! and for sure personally i prefer open endings because bad endings are sad like a game-over...
so I believe that, as is usual in TV series, at least one of the endings must remain opened to the possibility for a sequel... it doesn't matter if this sequel will be made or not...
leaving an ending open to the imagination of the audiance is a brilliant idea that allows to be talked about for a long time even after the game closes!

I believe that the story is based on people and events that, even if they differ in locations, names and details, this story happened for real somewhere...
It's really hard to write typical game endings because often the endings are stupid and can make the whole story inconsistent. As long as a story can continue in unexpected ways it remains attractive and maybe actually the story is still live somewhere in the world.

A possible ending we could imagine as a sudden plane crash! or car crush!
This would be a dramatic ending that doesn't need a "moral of the story" and that can happen at any point in the story.. (including after chapter 15)

But I like to think positive for the future of this lovely couple, I prefer at least 1 of the endings that opens up to a possible continuation of the story.
 
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Whilst it's quite possible that some of the men who play this game are ignorant enough to view Tony's infidelities through blinkers, and consider that Anne is far worse than him. I don't believe for one minute that the Dev is one of them. And I don't believe he has any issue with the MC being cucked or viewed as a Beta male, because why then would he include those scenes where Anne invites to Tony to kiss her cum covered/filled mouth? There is so much NTR type content in this game, that only someone who was very comfortable with that, could have possibly written it. And if you aren't getting that, perhaps you're also viewing this game through blinkers as well?

It seems to me, you're one of these people who can't imagine any visual novel being interesting to people, if the writing isn't top notch. Most people who play these games couldn't care less about the writing because it's the visual fap content that really interests them, and the quality of writing comes a very poor second to the imagery. The biggest issue with this game is not the writing, it's that the Dev started it with no clear plan about where he wanted to go with it. He didn't know how it was going to end, and therefore it's no surprise that he got lost in the middle of it, and ended up flailing around aimlessly, losing all his initial passion for the project.

It appears he's now finally realised this, and hopefully is now working to a plan, which has a beginning, middle and ending. That was what was missing, and led to all the confusion that mired the first version of this project. Having a clearer vision going forward can only improve the writing, even if it never meets the impeccable standards that you seem to demand.

Welp, some of us have standards, and some of us do not.

If they can read Tony and Anne's dialogue were they call each other 'babe' and 'baby' incessantly, and not cringe at how garbage the dialogue is? Good for them. That's doesn't stop it from being awful. Enjoying slop doesn't stop it from being slop.

I am more than capable of imagining how those with low standards can enjoy this. You don't need a doctorate to understand schlock. This shit is not high brow or hard to understand. Even among this genre, NTR fans have rock-bottom standards. It might not be my thing, but I envy the gay furry community, cause their fandom generally produces top notch work; I'm a bit jealous honestly.

I do think it is funny how often those who are happy with slop just dismiss critique of the writing in a genre literally titled visual novel. It's almost like writing is integral to the experience. One has to wonder why the concept of poor writing being a detractor from the experience is such a hard concept to grasp, and why even those who can stomach slop don't want better if they can get it? If the game had better writing, it would be a better experience for everyone.

I mean, unless they're only here for the visuals, in which case, how come they're not just watching PornHub? The writing is what separates these games from normal pornography. If they don't care about writing, I'm sure there's a step-sister stuck in a clothes dryer or a some MILF who ordered a pizza she can't pay for out there for them to just watch (no reading required).

Also, I have zero reason to believe that the dev has realized anything, when their 3rd bite at the apple is nearly identical narrative wise to the last two. If they wanted to clean up the lose threads, just continue on from Chapter 15. That was the damn point, was it not? To have an in continuity stop-gap that allowed the dev to decide which story threads were worth taking forward from that point on? Starting over for the 3rd time with near identical writing and 'new' renders is the act of someone who is taking the easy way out, spending their time playing dress-up with 3D models so they can put something out there and claim they're making progress (while rehashing work they've already done and haven't changed).

This dev can't write characters. They have a hot model with Anne, and an interesting premise. That's it. Does anyone feel alive or have any real personality in this or any of the previous versions? No. We get exposition dumps and wooden dialogue that is so cringe inducing, you'd think it was written by ChatGPT (and if you don't think that is coming on down the line, if not here already, I almost admire your ignorance). There is no reason to be invested or care about these virtual dress-up dolls. It would be nice if the dev learned how to write actual characters, to be able to invest them with personalities, inner lives, real motivation, and some actual fucking drama; but I don't think that's ever gonna happen, and we're all worse off for it.

But no, the real problem here is people with standards...
 
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Kassan06969

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The impeccable writing standards is not a problem I think the writing is good for a Visual Novel.
The story is clear at this point... the beginning and the middle is already good in the CH14/15 with the remake will be better! and for sure personally i prefer open endings because bad endings are sad like a game-over...
so I believe that, as is usual in TV series, at least one of the endings must remain opened to the possibility for a sequel... it doesn't matter if this sequel will be made or not...
leaving an ending open to the imagination of the audiance is a brilliant idea that allows to be talked about for a long time even after the game closes!
No, that is a terrible ending to a game, movie, book or TV show. I HATE those kind. It's lazy writing.
 

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Let's be real here. This game is almost certainly made by a dude, for a largely dude audience; and that audience is gonna be way more forgiving to a fellow dude being an asshole in the name of getting pussy than they are to said author/audience-insert character being cucked.
I understand where you're coming from and somewhat agree, but recall that there's no backstory with Anne's mom. We implicitly assume she's not stolen boyfriends from Anne in the past. Dad, on the other hand, did. I don't know about anyone else, but if my dad had started banging my college gf's I would have done the freak! I can't imagine how that would have ruined a relationship for evermore. So, in one sense, Mircom really didn't play up the douchebag aspect far enough. Or, maybe he did and that revealed the really low level beta status of the MC. Just depends on how one wants to view it, I suppose.
 
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I've been reading all the comments that have come across and most of them are quite interesting. A lot of different suggestions some of them I agree with and some I don't. It's just my opinion but I think the best one I read was someone who mentioned that they should have cut back on the number of guys Annie messes with and just concentrate on 5 or 6 and develop different stories around them. For instance, one of them (probably Ryan) has real feelings for Annie and wants to make her his. You could have him get jealous when the MC allows her to have sex with other guys and tries to pull Annie away by saying he wouldn't do that to her. She could then wonder if the MC really cares about her because he allows this. You could do the same thing with one of the women the MC works with. She would keep saying that Annie doesn't respect him and that she would never do that to him. A little conflict would add some excitement to the game instead of just the old "introduce new male character, Annie fucks new character, Annie waits for next new character to come along...repeat." Not saying I'm right but I would definitely find the game to be more interesting and different.
 

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While the new remaster feels largely the same some scenes do feel enhanced and sexier. If it catches up to previous content quite fast that's great. If we have to wait for many months just to see slightly different version of the game we already played - not so much. That being said, I always like to be optimistic and also I might not know all the facts as I am just casual observer. Personally, I hope the remaster won't lose cum-kissing scenes which is quite rare thing to find in any game and was quite well done here with potential to be even better, make it a choice of course, but I would like for it to remain in the game. :p
 
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