stormhawk

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I never expect unearned praise, nor do I want it.
I never asked for my feelings to be saved, nor do I tell my mods what to do. I guess you're referring to my discord?

My change to a sandbox game was due to the idea to let the player choose what story they want to progress in first.
It might not be perfect and needs some improvements here and there, but I don't understand what you mean with grindy?

This whole statement is objectively correct. Ubisoft being a good example.
That being said, I've never said that criticism are insults. You're taking my one-sentence reply out of context and adding assumptions that don't reflect my stance.
And no I'm sorry I don't get 10x the number of people voicing that complaint.

Most people sure, but I wouldn't say everyone.

I mean sure. That's just a general statement...very common knowledge.
However, your response seems to assume a lot about my perspective based on a short comment. Instead of drawing conclusions about someone's mindset, it might be more productive to ask them directly about their intentions or experiences.

Anyway, to put it short and so you get a better idea of who I am.
I do take honest and fair criticism very serious. I don't treat them as insults nor are my feelings hurt over it.

But a lot of comments here are not criticism. A lot of false statements. Even your statement "update taking more than 3x longer than the dev stated". There's nothing to back it up. Where are the receipts?

I don't need an echo chamber of people glazing me either. I want to make the game better. So I come here sometimes to see if there's anything being said that's of value. And there is, but it's hard to find nowadays.
For example a lot of people are criticising the mc's personality or the choices not having a meaningful impact.

So I've been working on that. Branching it out more with the new linda update I'm working on right now. And overworking the dialogue system into a stat system that gives the player the control to shape the mcs personality.
To be fair it's not good enough yet and it needs a lot of improvement, but I like giving players the opportunity to test these
new changes I'm making in response to the criticism.
Which I make polls for if they like the new system, what they don't like, ... etc.

I hope this clears up some things.
add third person view abby passionate kiss animations atleast
 

DaFinker

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Edit -
Hidden Image Guide
Most current version: v0.3.5

Instead of making a new post every time I update the hidden image guide I'll just leave a link to the folder on Mega and just edit the most current version number above. I'll continue to update the pin on Discord. Unless I start deleting older versions of the guide, this link should lead to all versions of the guide I upload.

Folder : MEGA

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I found the 3.3, while the post I'm quoting says there should be a 3.5, but the Mega link is 1.0.

What's the true most recent version, and is this something you can get linked to the OP - with the way things are scattered about, finding the "new" version has become a challenge.
 

SmirgL14

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can't press S to take a screenshot.
any way to fix that?
In other Ren'py games it works fine.
I think you can deactivate it when programming
 
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To be fair it's not good enough yet and it needs a lot of improvement, but I like giving players the opportunity to test these
I don't know if you were looking for text/longer feedback on the point/stat system, but the biggest problem I have with it is that it's universal. I know that any attempt at giving someone a personality is always going to have limits, but at the same time the issue with the current implementation is that, given the option, we would treat everyone differently. Being locked out of Nao or Mao choices due to interactions with the other feels like we're having our choice locked (with an unknown length of time coming later). I suspect part of the design here is to lock us into or out of choices, but at the moment it's a tad too harsh.

If you wanted out of character behaviour penalties, a better way might be a per-character point/stat system but allowing others to have awareness of it (read: emulating gossip). Something like Mao getting annoyed that you always joke around with Nao, but only if other choices were made (e.g. Mao felt left out/dejected). Similar to the Linda/Victoria conditional lockout, or the Abby/Margaret conditional lockout. (I'm not actually sure if there's a permanent lockout for one path of each, but I know for others there appears to be.)

(I know designing and implementing these kinds of data system is a nightmare, but I'm trying to balance what I think your intent is with something that's less rough/jagged.)
 

DaFinker

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Sure wish my old saves had worked. Going back through this and feeling really disjointed now.

My change to a sandbox game was due to the idea to let the player choose what story they want to progress in first.
It might not be perfect and needs some improvements here and there, but I don't understand what you mean with grindy?
The sandbox aspect, together with all of the other changes, is what is giving me that disjointed feeling. When I first played through - right after the merge a couple of years ago - things sort of progressed with some linearity, or, maybe I was using URM and it helped me go through things in an order that made sense, but, now, on my replay, it feels like I'm skipping around too much because the hint is only one person/one line, not a list of things that give some kind of priority (another VN did this - don't know if it still does as it has just had a revamp for Steam and that almost always fucks things up). Tried using the WT mod, but it broke when MC got the phone. The phone messages do help with the guidance, but, again, they stack up in a way that leaves the path too open.

The thing I ran into last night was dialogue that didn't make sense during the first Mom Masturbation event. All the dialogue assumed MC already had the lock pick and used it (found an autosave and used it to start a different route where I changed my actions to eventuate that set of facts, as well a having a route where I don't), but nowhere had I seen anything that suggested to me that I could/should work at the post office (finally remembered that) or that I could/should head to the store for certain things to help with certain routes.

The great thing about a normal VN is that, while it does lock in a certain linearity, it also helps to prevent missing things or getting so far ahead in one place and so far behind in another that the dialogue quits making sense.

Other bits of continuity (or discontinuity) are also messing with me. Before going shopping with Abby, MC woke up and acknowledged that she looked different, but she already looked different (no longer the old Abby) in both the masturbation and shower scenes that immediately preceeded that interaction and acknowledgement, so that was out of place for the timing. Just went with Liz to Jim's house, and now he has a different house that looks more modern, but doesn't necessarily stand out as so much bigger as the old one did, even though the dialogue is going that route.

Speaking of routes, I feel like I missed the triggering of the twin's route somehow - I think it came into play earlier for me last time. With the sandbox method, I think that too many possibilities become available before they really should to keep the story focused and making sense - it becomes internally inconsistent and really breaks any immersion, and that's a phrase I've rarely used. "Immersion", the way some others talk about it, really has never been my thing, but there's a matter of consistency that does create a loss of focus and confusion.

An analogy that comes to mind: there's a TV show that's in syndication that I never watched before a few months ago, even though it's first season was about five or so years ago. It plays on two or three differnt days in different time segments, but on the same station. I have the DVR set to record all episodes so that I can catch up on it before the next season starts to air. One time slot throws out episodes from one season, while the other slot throws out episodes that are from different seasons, and they commingle. If I don't pay attention to what got recorded, I'll be watching something from one season, then something from another season pops in and things like the romantic relationships, job descriptions, and even the main character's car have changed. That's kind of the feel I get on this replay, like I'm moving between episodes from three differnt season now that I'm in the sandbox.

So, while I like the characters and overall premise of your VN, I think the sandbox element hurts more than it helps and chops up the story in ways that were maybe unintended. It's something that wouldn't be a problem for someone that played from day one and played every release in order before a new release came out, but now the layers seem to commingle and lead to this confusion and disjointed feeling.

Just my experience. I know this VN is too far along to really change any of this, but maybe the feedback will help with the planning for your next one.
 
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