VN Ren'Py The Builder [S2 Ep. 9.2] [LewdRobotics]

[hakarlman]

I don't see a Harem tag, but the game's description implies Harem.

If it is a Harem game, is it a Harem game with or without male competition?

The Harem game's without male competition are always shallow, and the Harem is just handed to you on a silver platter without any effort; the male instinct isn't awakened in that context, so the sex scenes feel empty. They're good, but not as good as they could be.

edit: it turns out the women get fucked by the antagonist and the mc can't do anything to prevent it. so much for competition. mc doesn't even get a chance.

 

[Canto Forte]

What effort do you wanna put in?
You want a fight?
How do you feel about sloppy ... 14-conds?
Would you still fight for a girl who did it throughout the game with 14 others to spite you?

I don't see a Harem tag, but the game's description implies Harem.

If it is a Harem game, is it a Harem game with or without male competition?

The Harem game's without male competition are always shallow, and the Harem is just handed to you on a silver platter without any effort, and the male instinct is really awakened in that context, so the sex scenes are just boring.

Your game, your headache!

 

[hakarlman]

What effort do you wanna put in?
You want a fight?
How do you feel about sloppy ... 14-conds?
Would you still fight for a girl who did it throughout the game with 14 others to spite you?

This is the game's description:
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In The Builder, you play the role of a skilled young man who is commissioned to build a memorial in a village in the far north. Soon you discovers that your real task is quite different: In order to save the village from extinction, you must make all the women there pregnant.
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The MC is skilled. That means other men also share his skillset. The question is, which man is more skilled, resourceful, smarter, wiser?

The women are going to need things, items, resources, especially if they're going to get pregnant. They need a man who can provide things and protect them from danger.

I see the NTR tag, so if the MC fails male competition in various forms, his women might get fucked by other dudes.

All I'm saying is without male competition, Harem's feel shallow and empty, because it isn't simulating what the male instinct is programmed to overcome; male competition, winning, then fucking the girl.

 

[Canto Forte]

There is one itsy bitsy problem there ....
The game starts with the antagonist deep into a bunch of pussies,
right off the bat, no stealing, no affection, he just smashes them because he an asshole and
apparently all women in this game fall 4 that. Would you still feel you got any chance to
well, I dunno, one up the antagonist?
”Cause he already got the bang he was looking 4 and all MC can do at this pint is
take his sloppy seconds .. or 100ds ... that is what is discussed in the thread.
that is the problem in this game .. not the upcoming competition, but the fact that
the antagonist already got a huge head start and can forever call Mc the idiot to take his
discarded hoes, just ”cause.

 

[hakarlman]

There is one itsy bitsy problem there ....
The game starts with the antagonist deep into a bunch of pussies,
right off the bat, no stealing, no affection, he just smashes them because he an asshole and
apparently all women in this game fall 4 that. Would you still feel you got any chance to
well, I dunno, one up the antagonist?
”Cause he already got the bang he was looking 4 and all MC can do at this pint is
take his sloppy seconds .. or 100ds ... that is what is discussed in the thread.
that is the problem in this game .. not the upcoming competition, but the fact that
the antagonist already got a huge head start and can forever call Mc the idiot to take his
discarded hoes, just ”cause.

I see. The MC doesn't even get the chance to compete, to win the women over. So, although he can compete, he has to do it after they've already been used by the antagonist.

There are a lot of developers who do this. I think they enjoy watching women get fucked by other guys first, but then stealing them away, because they know these women are desired, and that makes him want them more?

It would be cool if the developer could explain the erotic motive explaining why he did it this way.

It's like watching a pornstar get fucked by tons of guys, but then you desire that pornstar because you want to fuck her too, because watching her get railed by tons of guys turned you on? So is this game going to be netorase maybe, where he gets the women pregnant but lets other guys fuck them too?

 

[sevendustkorn1008]

How can anyone complain about the non-NTR, when there is really only 1 glaring issue that needs to be addressed? A lack of an options menu. Everything else seems ok. Nothing special, but decent enough. But not having an options menu is just dumb. That should be included in every game.

EDIT: I want to clarify, it's an oversight, or possibly, an unfinished product that was leaked here. So I'm not trying to be overly critical of the dev. I just wanted to point out that when the game is ready to be shared, it absolutely needs an options menu.

 

[Hildegardt]

Spot on.
Though on flip side he genuinely seems underprepared and innocent.

Apparently he didn't even know this site existed, before his game got leaked here, so can you really fault him for not being with the cool kids? The people here get very particular, when it comes to harem and ntr, but we've got to remember that there's a world outside of this forum, where people don't even know wtf an ntr is supposed to be.
So you get devs innocently putting sex scenes into their porn games and then getting told that this isn't something you're supposed to do, unless the scenes conform to a special tagging system.

 

[MrPerson28475]

I'll wait til we get an options menu before playing.

 

[sevendustkorn1008]

I see. The MC doesn't even get the chance to compete, to win the women over. So, although he can compete, he has to do it after they've already been used by the antagonist.

There are a lot of developers who do this. I think they enjoy watching women get fucked by other guys first, but then stealing them away, because they know these women are desired, and that makes him want them more?

It would be cool if the developer could explain the erotic motive explaining why he did it this way.

It's like watching a pornstar get fucked by tons of guys, but then you desire that pornstar because you want to fuck her too, because watching her get railed by tons of guys turned you on? So is this game going to be netorase maybe, where he gets the women pregnant but lets other guys fuck them too?

This is just speculation, since the game is still in its infancy, but I don't think there will be any male competition in this game. They employers made it pretty clear that the MC will be building by himself, with assistance from the townsfolk (which is primarily women). I wouldn't call that Paul guy "competition" because the events of his relationship with Carla happened before the game starts. We probably won't see him again since the MC will be on his assignment for at least a year.

But yea, I don't think this is a NTR game. There's one scene that can be very VERY loosely defined as NTR: some random girl you never met has sex with some guy, but she's a potential LI, so people will scream NTR. But from what I read, that scene will be changed to include some random girl that won't be a LI, so we can effectively remove any thoughts about there being NTR in this game, thus removing any male competition along with it.

 

[Antonie van Leeuwenhoek]

Apparently he didn't even know this site existed, before his game got leaked here, so can you really fault him for not being with the cool kids? The people here get very particular, when it comes to harem and ntr, but we've got to remember that there's a world outside of this forum, where people don't even know wtf an ntr is supposed to be.
So you get devs innocently putting sex scenes into their porn games and then getting told that this isn't something you're supposed to do, unless the scenes conform to a special tagging system.

Yeah, even if the people don't know what ntr supposed to mean outside this forum there's always that uneasy feeling due to certain scenes where they can't express or define that (me before F95) in few words like we cool kids here do it as ntr.
If he did some research on harem before creating his content then I'm sure that showed scene goes against its definition even more so if the involved party in that scene will have significant role to play in the future. He could have just explained it in the beginning with few words without showing it, i mean any harem fan wouldn't have minded if the girl was some random side chik that you can avoid easily in future and the main characters behavior ain't helping him either. So it's what it is.

 

[paust.alex]

This is just speculation, since the game is still in its infancy, but I don't think there will be any male competition in this game.

There was a link to a poll here and there was a question - Do you want Paul to come back to fuck some women. So, I wouldn't get my hopes up that Paul is gone.

some random girl you never met has sex with some guy

You mean the very first character we meet in the game who greets us is having sex with the MC's nemesis, yes, definitely not NTR.

I read, that scene will be changed to include some random girl that won't be a LI

What has been seen cannot be useen It will be very hard to forget that she was fucked and creampied by this jerk in the toilet.

 

[Canto Forte]

Because MC is not just another jerk.

Even if he was a jerk, showing others just banging because they look better,
dress better, talk better or are given the bang green light by the dev,
while we get stuck with some idiot, broke, disabled or hurting MC is bad.
Sure it this that kind of game we wanna play, right?

Yes, by all means, show all the girls how easy they fkk others while MC is made to grind stats with her: MC stat building her in dates while she fkks
some randos elsewhere because, hang on:
she enjoys getting railed, it is just that we are not
playing the character who rails her and who is having a blast ,
but the idiot hurting MC who is investing time, emotions and his life into
getting the know a - bang anyone but the MC skank.

You see, the time Mc spends beeing useless is effectively our time.

We like to not throw our good feels happy time into the misery of the MC.

 

[dacris69]

interesting start but we supposed to give a fuck for the pregnant chick? and the one in the bathroom kissing the mc after sucking another one's dick?

 

[Chimba]

ohhhh man where should I start hahaha, I will try to be as short as possible, first of all what a surprise it took me when playing this vn, I had downloaded it 2 days ago I think and today I could try it,at one point I thought I had downloaded the wrong game (the mc loser trope whit problems haha)

That aside, there's not much to say that some of the users haven't already said.

Imo, the bathroom scene seems totally unnecessary and I'm not talking because the guy fucked another LI (apparently the dev is changing that), yes, I understand that it is to show that Paul is still cheating on the other woman, blah blah..but what sense does it make if at the time of telling the woman you can't? ( imo fake choices are worse than having no choice,i know this could be call a demo but at the moment this si a KineticNovel) that scene could be better if Mc at least takes a photo or video to have proof, if not, it does not make sense and less sense would it have for the woman to believe the mc knowing that he is still in love with her, it could be a lie.

In the survey there is a choice so that the blonde's baby can be from the MC, well that would certainly be an attempt to save a LI and she seemed to have doubts when they talk,maybe she wanted to tell him or something like that.

Dev if you get ownership Of the thread put planned tags in spoiler genre and if possible some info in dev notes regarding them, If they are avoidable or skippable (it is not the same and one thing is very different from the other), why do I say that? Well seeing that the in the survey is asking if Paul should return, the future is uncertain.(Sharing/swinging/ntr...??)

I saw that in patreon you are doing a poll to know if doing the Game more linear or free-roam (sandbox), be careful with that,is another turn off for many.


(I think that for the moment I better wait to see what happens, many polls for my taste in a first version )

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Good Luck Dev.

 

[Ceesko]

Such a ~gentlement~ MC. You see a girl get fucked hard, and you have the option to give her torn panties after the CHAD (who is not the MC) cums and dumbs her. The scene was more comedic than anything else I have seen and I almost drowned on my own saliva from laughing. Thanks dev

 

[Antonie van Leeuwenhoek]

When you let the patrons decide your future content, that's the biggest red flag you'll ever get both to the players and game future.
I thought patreon site is for the financial support (like, hey dev i like your game and here's some pennies that'll help you in the course) to the dev like many major games here and not for financial dictation by the patrons.

There was a link to a poll here and there was a question - Do you want Paul to come back to fuck some women. So, I wouldn't get my hopes up that Paul is gone.

Well seeing that the in the survey is asking if Paul should return, the future is uncertain.(Sharing/swinging/ntr...??)

 

[Ceesko]

When you let the patrons decide your future content, that's the biggest red flag you'll ever get both to the players and game future.
I thought patreon site is for the financial support (like, hey dev i like your game and here's some pennies that'll help you in the course) to the dev like many major games here and not for financial dictation by the patrons.


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Generally, the dev should have a general layout planned of the game he wants to build. With a vague idea of how it begins and ends. Listening to the dictates of polls will lead the game swinging in incoherent direction and that is why it is always a bad idea, NTR or no NTR.

 

[Antonie van Leeuwenhoek]

Generally, the dev should have a general layout planned of the game he wants to build. With a vague idea of how it begins and ends. Listening to the dictates of polls will lead the game swinging in incoherent direction and that is why it is always a bad idea, NTR or no NTR.

Yep, it's hardly your game after that. You as an artist or indie developer should always have control over how you want your content to be whether someone like it or not. By conducting polls and all you are just confusing either side whether to let them commit to the game or limbo since obvious future volatility.

 

[blackstar42]

Apparently he didn't even know this site existed, before his game got leaked here, so can you really fault him for not being with the cool kids?

Did the dev say that? Because that's not true at all. I saw a post from the dev that mentions this game back in September. https://f95zone.to/threads/visual-novels-with-birth-scenes.66963/#post-6611323

 

[damien_sensei]

I honestly think the game is never intended to be a Harem game in a traditional sense(maybe MC gets Harem in the epilogue after paul impregnated them all ) jokes aside, seeing those questions from survey i dont think it caters to Harem demograph (though the synopsis leads us to believe its fairly vanilla harem), i think Dev gonna change his plan for the game and ultimately gonna end up not pleasing anyone including himself, i think its best if he sticks to his vision and find his right audience and make the game he originally planned for 6 months, cuz changing everything and pulled on all the sides, is not gonna work in the long run, since i see 365 ingame days is planned atleast...so good luck dev!