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Ayhsel

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I don't wanna be the downer here... but I think it is time to consider this novel will never get finished.

The longer a dev is away from it, the longer the likelihood something, anything will happen that will make it not finish the novel.. either other priorities, constraints, unexpected events..

I have been very critical of the development of this novel since 2020.. At the moment I would accept it given the pandemic (although for some the pandemic actually helped).

Only chances I see is that steam income is high enough that incentives follow.

Anyway.. would be nice to be mistaken.
 

SweatyDevil

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I don't wanna be the downer here... but I think it is time to consider this novel will never get finished.

The longer a dev is away from it, the longer the likelihood something, anything will happen that will make it not finish the novel.. either other priorities, constraints, unexpected events..

I have been very critical of the development of this novel since 2020.. At the moment I would accept it given the pandemic (although for some the pandemic actually helped).

Only chances I see is that steam income is high enough that incentives follow.

Anyway.. would be nice to be mistaken.
Honestly, I’ve always had this gut feeling that the Steam release was his last shot at making a bit of money from it before moving on. I’d love to be wrong about that, but I’m not sure.
 

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I wish the dev would sell the rights to another dev so this game can continue. Hopes could run injunction with his brilliant writing and have someone else do the rendering. It must get annoying do all that rendering...

Here's to Hope. ;)
 
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Ayhsel

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I wish the dev would sell the rights to another dev so this game can continue. Hopes could run injunction with his brilliant writing and have someone else do the rendering. It must get annoying do all that rendering...

Here's to Hope. ;)
Doubt it would work given other projects I heard tried the same and all fail. But it would be a better alternative than the project being dead.

I came back to the site and found 3 games that I love abandoned. I'm very lucky.
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So just another Thursday, ha?
 

Tokenugget

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Doubt it would work given other projects I heard tried the same and all fail. But it would be a better alternative than the project being dead.
Well, i'd imagine that only comes down to the deal that was offered. Idk how much this game was making but i'm sure it was close to a good amount. Hopes should take an 80/20 split, more going to the person doing the work rendering while he racks in some income. But what do i know....Business is Business.
 

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I wish the dev would sell the rights to another dev so this game can continue. Hopes could run injunction with his brilliant writing and have someone else do the rendering. It must get annoying do all that rendering...

Here's to Hope. ;)
Nah, there's just far too many hurdles to jump over for that to work.

Firstly, it's not just writing and rendering. That would be the case if the game was pure visual novel format, but the game also has different gameplay/sandbox coding in it as well (basically "Full Experience" mode and "Just Story" mode Wilfred's contracts and sandbox gameplay in main story).

Secondly, with someone else doing the rendering there would still very much likely be conflicts & disagreements, especially if it isn't someone who has worked with Hopes since the very beginning with the renders and knows what sort of renders to create based on the writing.

And lastly (this is kinda related to second point), if the person has such rendering skills to do rendering for DeLuca, then it's much better use of that person's time/resources to just make their own game with freedom to create renders how they want, as well as write the game they want (that is, if they wanna take on the writer role also, being 100% full dev), or otherwise collab with another dev they know making a new game from scratch based on their own tastes, instead of trying to emulate the rendering style Hopes has done with DeLuca with continuation.
 

Tokenugget

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Respectfully.
Firstly, it's not just writing and rendering. That would be the case if the game was pure visual novel format, but the game also has different gameplay/sandbox coding in it as well (basically "Full Experience" mode and "Just Story" mode Wilfred's contracts and sandbox gameplay in main story).
I believe the dev had a poll to his fanbase to asked if he should continue with all the different game modes. He should've just decided the best development path was to only create VN mode and screw that other nonsense.
Secondly, with someone else doing the rendering there would still very much likely be conflicts & disagreements, especially if it isn't someone who has worked with Hopes since the very beginning with the renders and knows what sort of renders to create based on the writing.
This is capitalism... "someone somewhere out there" ( An American Tail, lol, that's for old timers like me) is able to find an employee that listens to exactly what Hopes wants. Provided that person is compensated to their likes.
And lastly (this is kinda related to second point), if the person has such rendering skills to do rendering for DeLuca, then it's much better use of that person's time/resources to just make their own game with freedom to create renders how they want, as well as write the game they want (that is, if they wanna take on the writer role also, being 100% full dev), or otherwise collab with another dev they know making a new game from scratch based on their own tastes, instead of trying to emulate the rendering style Hopes has done with DeLuca with continuation.
Again, capitalism. The chances of a skilled "renderer" starting from fresh and taking the gamble of hitting it big is very slim. How many of these games are started from skilled people and end up with nada? I'm sure there are plenty of skilled graphical artist that would love to work on an already VERY popular game as long as they get paid the appropriate amount.
 

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He should've just decided the best development path was to only create VN mode and screw that other nonsense.
Hopes was actually very much surprised at many other people actually liked that "other nonsense" you were referring to and were complaining about his intention to scrap that.

So while initially he thought of scrapping the sandbox gameplay, he changed his mind and decided to stick with it.

This is capitalism... "someone somewhere out there" ( An American Tail, lol, that's for old timers like me) is able to provide and listen to exactly what Hopes wants. Provided that person is compensated to their likes.
lol but that's not how optimal development works.
All collaboration works between a writer and render artist because of following very likely conditions/scenarios;

- the writer just sticks to the writing and with the rendering it's left entirely to the artist's freedom.
- the writer and artist know each other's vision and worked together in other projects before (thus knowing each other what their style is).
- the writer and artist collab right from the start of the game.

Hopes just doing the writing while ordering the artist would basically be equivalent to well..... "back-seat driving" of development (aka "back-seat-deving" lol).
Noone likes a backseat driver, and I seen cases where devs tried to do that and it just didn't work because artists tend to want freedom of creating thing how they wish to, and not be ordered around.

Again, capitalism. The chances of a skilled "renderer" starting from fresh and taking the gamble of hitting it big is very slim. How many of these games are started from skilled people and end up with nada? I'm sure there are plenty of skilled graphical artist that would love to work on an already VERY popular game as long as they get paid the appropriate amount.
It's not always about hitting it big lol.
All the current artists who are active in several well known or popular AVNs started from small scale and eventually went up.
And they do so cause they have the passion, while having the freedom to create renders in how they wish to create them; not like hitting it big in short span like some "get rich quick" scheme.

Besides if you think this game being popular means Hopes would be willing to pay the money to an artist, a stranger at that, to do "back-seat-deving" (lol), then hate to break it to ya, but likelihood of that happening I'd say is slim to none.
Despite his game's decent Steam success, even if he combined his Steam sales and his Patreon income, I highly doubt it would be enough to hire an artist to do everything to his bidding and still come off as quite profitable for Hopes himself.

That would be possible to consider for top earning devs (for e.g. DPC. Even though my opinion for BADiK really isn't high, can't dispute he's one of the highest earning devs in the AVN-sphere), but not for Hopes.
 
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Oh yeah, totally just the forum rules, right?

Let’s be honest...Hopes hasn’t dropped a proper update in what, 2 or 3 years? Honestly lost count at this point, it’s been that long. And he’s been radio silent for over a year now, if not more. But yeah, let’s pretend it’s purely about "forum rules" and not because the dev straight-up vanished and the project feels abandoned.

Also, not surprised to see you jumping in again. You’ve always been the knight in shining armor for Hopes anytime someone dares to say anything even slightly critical.
 
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Oh yeah, totally just the forum rules, right?

Let’s be honest...Hopes hasn’t dropped a proper update in what, 2 or 3 years? Honestly lost count at this point, it’s been that long. And he’s been radio silent for over a year now, if not more. But yeah, let’s pretend it’s purely about "forum rules" and not because the dev straight-up vanished and the project feels abandoned.

Also, not surprised to see you jumping in again. You’ve always been the knight in shining armor for Hopes anytime someone dares to say anything even slightly critical.
They probably are the dev
 

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This is capitalism... "someone somewhere out there" ( An American Tail, lol, that's for old timers like me) is able to find an employee that listens to exactly what Hopes wants. Provided that person is compensated to their likes.
And they would be needed to be paid, by whatever you make. Hope has made, at his peak something between $ 2 000 and $ 200 000 mostly, based on that around $ 8 000 - and that is for adult Patreon dev very much.
I don't know how many people you can pay from that money, but I doubt that it is more than 1 person. That and that most of them want to earn enough so they can get it full time, would mean, he would need to earn double of that or, at least 1.5 times.

Therefore, I doubt that any dev (expect the top 1 ‰) could hire someone full time.

Oh yeah, totally just the forum rules, right?
Yes, totally just the forum rules.
Also, not surprised to see you jumping in again. You’ve always been the knight in shining armor for Hopes anytime someone dares to say anything even slightly critical.
Sure, sure, want a cake?

They probably are the dev
Obviously, thanks for reminding me that some people still dream of their electric sheep.

For obviously reasons I spare the post to the forum rules, cause some can't read at all...
 
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Hopes was actually very much surprised at many other people actually liked that "other nonsense" you were referring to and were complaining about his intention to scrap that.

So while initially he thought of scrapping the sandbox gameplay, he changed his mind and decided to stick with it.
Poor guy. He thought making development 10 times harder than it had to be based on a poll. Everyone in that poll would've still played and supported this great game regardless.... :ROFLMAO:

Hopes just doing the writing while ordering the artist would basically be equivalent to well..... "back-seat driving" of development (aka "back-seat-deving" lol).
Noone likes a backseat driver, and I seen cases where devs tried to do that and it just didn't work because artists tend to want freedom of creating thing how they wish to, and not be ordered around.
That's called being a boss. But i guess the dev doesn't want that kind of position, being the boss... so he abandoned a potential passive income. Strange decision.

Anyway, i'm just sad. The game won't be finished. The dev had some renders shared for the next update but then it seems that won't be true.
 
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