I would not say it is an 'absolutely' synonm for pornography but it is however very much linked together.
The word "cool" is a synonym for "good". Is that it's only meaning? No. In fact, it's other meaning has nothing at all to do with being good. It simply refers to temperature.
But yes, one of the other meanings of the word "cool" is absolutely a synonym for "good".
So no, it is not debatable whether
one of the meanings of "adult" is as a synonym for "porn". It is, and it has been for over a decade. Is that "adult"'s only meaning. As I said before, of course not... but yes, it is in fact
ONE OF its meanings.
But, it is true. Adult is very much linked to something sexual. BUT no one is saying anything different.
When you are saying things like "adult" is not a synonym for "porn" and people are agreeing... when others keep saying things that imply they're confused by the reactions of others for not liking this game because they expected porn... or like if someone expected this to be a porn game, that's their fault... then yes, these type of reactions only make sense if we're trying to act as though one of the term's meanings hasn't been synonymous with porn.
What is being said is that the FOCUS (main theme) is not necessarily on the porn. An adult movie is about how explicit the scenes can be.
That's your game. That's a very small portion of other things, but the overwhelming majority of "adult film" and things listed as "adult game", even on this site, refers to things of a pornographic nature. Google "adult film" and overwhelmingly, the results will be pornographic.
And that's fine if you've chosen to focus on a different aspect of "adult theme" and that's great as clearly many people like that kind of thing, but it is wrong, absolutely wrong, to act as though there's no association between the two terms and like people are foolish for linking them; they are not.
This I heavily disagree with. If this was a 0.01 release with zero information out there- yes, I would've agreed.
But reading the reviews, comments, OP, Faq, tags, my patreon front page, etc. and you will clearly get an idea that this is an adult game where the focus is not on the sex.
The fact a person has to do all that, or any of that, to know what your game is clearly about actually proves the point because 99% of the time, they don't. They'd simply be able to download a game from this site without reading anything and chances are, it will come off as if pornographic content was intended to be in the game.
But for YOUR game they have to do all this looking into. So no Hopes, it is not their fault that they do something the way most people do things, the way they've been doing things and they've been right most of the time, and this time they were wrong.
So when someone blindly downloads my game and expect it to be how they want it to be instead of reading what it actually is-
You're the one doing something different, not them. Your creation is what is out of the ordinary here, not them. And nothing is wrong with that, but it is
wrong, to expect them to do something different (or ore accurately, think them wrong for not doing anything different from what they've done before) just because you did.
It's their fault 100% and I will always have a dislike for those kinds of people.
And they'll likely always have a dislike for you so you can both dislike each other, both being stubborn and hypocritical, lol.
THEM: "How dare he make a game with no porn in it!"
YOU: "How dare they play my game expecting it to be pornographic in nature!"
And neither of you are in the right to dislike the other, lol. Neither of you are technically wrong in what you did, but the both of your mentalities are incorrect. The mentality that only porn games belong here is incorrect... the mentality that people are wrong to expect a porn game here, is also incorrect.
You get upset when they judge you, but you sound very judgmental of them.
Some of them are, while other of them are extremely toxic due to the lack of porn.
Yeah, because they expected one thing and got another. And yes, even though they were wrong about what to expect, it
makes sense what they thought they would find here.
I'm not saying their reaction is the correct one,
I'm saying it is understandable. I'm saying that if you weren't being overly defensive and others being overly defensive for you, we would know/have that basic understanding.
And the phone analogy does not make sense as you are making it clear that it is a phone shop (porn game) that does not sell phones (porn). Which is a ridiculous analogy.
Hopes, I like you, I appreciate what you've done here even if it turns out it isn't my style of game in the end because clearly plenty of people like it and it takes a great deal of talent to do what you've done here... but
this was a very hypocritical statement.
Now, part of me thinks that while your statement appears hypocritical, it actually occurred because you're overly defensive and didn't try to understand the analogy, but allow me to explain it further here so that we can try to avoid misundertandings.
I said
Phone Store and Apple Service Center
Yes, the store sells phones... no, it doesn't sell
APPLE phones but
Apple is not the only kind of phone out that exists. There are a lot of other kinds of phones. This store just doesn't sell Apple phones. It services them sure, but it doesn't sell them nor does the sign claim they sell
APPLE phones.
You know... like how technically you aren't wrong for saying that this is an adult game, because it is... but the label would understandably make people assume that there's pornographic content in your game? You know, like how there's not just one meaning to "adult themed" technically... there's not just one kind of phone?
I mean,
the label technically even fooled you... in a completely different direction, but it fooled/confused you nonetheless.
Your analogy however, is in a number of ways...
A better analogy would be; ice cream shop (18+ shop) now some shops sell only vanilla (pure porn) and another shop only sells chocolate (adult game).
No, it would be like if there was a specific type of ice cream shop. We'll make this up and call it a "
nice and thick shop". Now for well over a decade, these shops have traditionally sold ice cream that was so thick, you couldn't use a plastic spoon on them, if a spoon at all. You go looking for one of these kinds of shops and without reading reviews or anything like that, you have a 98% chance of getting ice cream so thick that you're not going to be able to use a spoon to eat it. It's lick it or metal spoon it.
Now there's another shop, it's listed in all the directories as a nice and thick shop... but the ice cream is not as thick as what is traditionally found at these types of shops. It's thicker than regular ice cream, but not by much. Technically, they're not wrong for advertising themselves as a nice and thick shop as thick style ice creams are technically any ice cream that is thicker than regular ice cream... but the thickness of this ice cream is not in line with what most people have come to expect when entering these shops.
They both sell ice cream but it is about flavor.
Alright, we could do flavor. It would be like how most of the time, when shops say "chocolate" ice cream, they sell pure chocolate ice cream... but another shop's chocolate ice cream has other stuff in it. Technically speaking, chocolate ice cream that contains sprinkles, would still be chocolate ice cream... but there would be people quite upset when they found those sprinkles... or technically a person can call ice cream that has chocolate sprinkled in it, chocolate ice cream.
Now, an entitled brat enters the chocolate shop and demands it to sell vanilla.
They aren't entitled in an accurate analogy. And furthermore, most of the people I've seen comment regarding this aspect of your game clearly state they aren't trying to get you to change what you're selling; they're just explaining why they felt misled. This inaccurate analogy would have been slightly more accurate if this read as
"Now someone, because of what they're used to getting from most other ice cream shops in this mall/area/whatever, complain because it only sells chocolate ice cream.
Even though there is a huge banner outside that clearly says 'CHOCOLATE ONLY SHOP'.
100% incorrect parallel here because
your title for this game is like your store's sign and your game doesn't have
(not a porn game) in its title. Title wise, your game looks no different from other games that just as easily could have been more pornographic in nature.
In fact, even once someone walks into your shop
(looks at the first post made by you) the shop still isn't saying that it doesn't carry vanilla ice cream. Oh no, to figure that out a person would have to do what the vast majority of people don't do and that's go look at reviews for your shop. They'd have to sift through over 400 pages of comments... rather than do what they would normally do and just order based on the sign and maybe what they see at the front door / looking at the menu.
Yet the brat is stomping his feet and yelling, going to shop sites to give it a low review, and even going as far as attacking the people that like the chocolate shop because there is no vanilla flavor.
Yeah... like how you, and others, stomp their feet and demand they instantly accept your view of something, that while not wrong, is not the norm... and go as far as attacking the people that don't like this game because they don't agree with its content or lack their of.
Again,
it's wrong to be attacking or judging anyone here because no one is technically wrong for their view in this situation but they are wrong in their view of the people holding opposing views. They shouldn't be attacking you and you really shouldn't be attacking them.
As mentioned above. I have done everything to make sure to tell people what this game is.
No you haven't and even as mentioned above, according to you, you expect comments and reviews to do what you could have done. Your first post doesn't say anything about this not being a porn game.
Your patreon, you have to go looking for the information and once you do, this is all you'll find:
Q. Where's the sex?!
A. This game is a bit different from the rest as it is not solely an adult game. The story is as much part of the game as the adult part. Therefore do not expect to have the girls go crazy about you right away. With that said, there will be plenty of bed action down the line.
Not even here do you say anything like, "this is not a porn game", "I don't intend for this to be a porn game", and or "this is not a porn game at this time".
Oh no, not anything like that and not anywhere easily found... but you want to know what is really telling about this passage from
your patreon page?: The fact that
YOU use the word "adult" to mean porn/sex. You didn't answer with "it is important to understand that adult doesn't always mean sex and or porn", or anything like that.
F95zone has done everything on their part to tell what this game is (reviews, comments, TAGS)
It's not on them to make sure people understand what this game is and what it isn't before they download it, it's not their game. It's yours and so it is on you. One misunderstanding is one thing. You can write that off, deal with it on an individual bases, but even you expected people to not understand and you didn't think to maybe put that information at the first post and or in the title?
Are you wrong for not doing those things? Not really, but at the same time, you clearly didn't do all you could have done. In fact, it seems
you did everything outside of what would have been the most basic and effective ways to address this matter which would have been to make it clear in the title and the first post.
If all of those things are not enough- what is? Why even have any informational stuff if we base our whole lifeon baseless expectations.
They aren't baseless expectations. You can disagree with the expectations, but they are far from baseless.
This is not a porn site. This is an adult site. I don't agree that these two things are the same.
You don't have to agree, it is a fact , that the term "adult" especially when paired with other words such as "game", "film", and "actress" is often
(more often than not in fact), synonymous with porn.
Notice how some games have the 'no sex' tag. (can't remember the name of the tag)
Why would the site have tags that say no sex when it is supposedly a pure porn site?
I challenge you to find anywhere, where I've said this was a pure porn site. But to answer your question anyway, they would do it because they know most people would be expecting sex in these games... because it's labeled as an adult game site and most of the time that means porn game... so you need tags to warn people of that being the case.
Point is, let the owner of the site be the ones that determine what the site is for.
Not one thing I've said even remotely implied otherwise to be the case so saying this in response to anything I've said makes no logical sense at all.
Because it would be stupid to go to each thread and write "This is a porn game, lot's of sex."
And then another thread "This is not a porn game, lot's of story"
Wrong. Doing the first thing is obviously unnecessary in a place like this one. Generally speaking, people already associate "adult" and "porn" and have been for over a decade and the vast majority of games here, search results, etc are in fact games of a pornographic nature
(and or they pass themselves off as such).
You do things different when you are different. As many comments here have indicated, this is a different type of game from what is normally found here. Even people that defend you, whether they realize it or not, say things that make it clear this game is not the norm here. So a game that is not a porn game here, if they really care about reducing confusion, absolutely would be upfront about the fact that they did not make a porn game.
You however, don't seem to care that you're confusing people. From your point of view, those who feel misled are beneath you and your fans. This isn't true. They aren't entitled brats and you aren't an entitled brat either.
That's why they have the tags. It's in the op. It clearly shows the current sexual stuff in the game.
It doesn't speak to how much is in the game, it doesn't exclusively make it clear there isn't much of those things in the game, the tags you have could easily be the same tags of another game featuring pornographic content. A person shouldn't have to go through all that to figure it out.
You could just tell them on your first post. You know, the place other than the title that has the absolute most chance of being looked at by people before they download your game... and even after when they start to wonder if there's sex happening. In fact, I'm willing to bet that 90%+ people that have commented asking if there's sex in this game, checked the first post for that answer.
See, this seems to me like you're more interested in taking some kind of stand rather than truly dealing with misunderstanding in a productive way. Of course it makes sense to put "This isn't a porn game" on the first post. It makes a whole lot more sense than expecting people to behave in a way that no other business expects them to. You're mad because of their "baseless" expectations... because of your baseless expectations of people. Do businesses just try to get on Google or Youtube? No, they try to make it on the first page because statistically speaking almost no one goes past that point. The same principles apply here and if you don't want to take reasonable precautions as a result, that's fine. That's your right, but then don't be mad at people for... well... being people, lol.
To end with, I respect your opinion, Drake, and please do not see it in any way or form an attack against you.
I'm not trying to attack you either nor do I not respect you... but, well, we all have or blindspots. If we could see them, they wouldn't be blindspots. One of yours, is clearly this, and while you are not wrong for making this game, calling it an adult game, and featuring it on this site... you are wrong to detest people for expecting it to be pornographic in nature. That expectation isn't baseless whether we agree with the expectation or not.
I just heavily disagree with what you're saying and will always detest those people...
...But acting like I am in the wrong for doing the game the way I want to do.
Just like you acting like they are wrong for having the expectations they have. That's the hypocrisy of it all.
I do whatever I want. (Targeted at the entitled brats not you, Drake)
I don't think you are, but I had to laugh because "doing whatever" one wants to do is kind of the definition of being entitled, lol.
But anyway, regardless, as others have stated, even when they don't like the absence of sex in your game, you should make the game the way you want. It's your game... but yes, there is a valid argument for feeling misled.
