VN Ren'Py The East Block [v0.8.2] [Bobbyboy Productions]

[TonyMurray]

I won't deny that most (not all) developers do this for money, but I pay to follow several who manage to create products without completely alienating significant portions of their fanbase through their writing.

I don't begrudge this developer his writing as he does to earn money. As I wrote before, when a developer offers a choice, that choice should be meaningful with the game's path and outcome. Plenty of developers (who write for money) are able to do this; I could name several here but don't want to be bounced by a moderator.l

Good developers write "games" where choices matter instead of "stories" where choices are overridden by forced content. This is what bothers me about a "game" I was following. It's becoming a "story" now, instead.

We each see things differently and that's ok, but for me sharing/swinging are founded upon the couple respecting each other's boundaries; the "trust" is how this works.

I see cheating as breaking boundaries and breaking trust. I don't understand how you can have an actual sharing/swinging relationship if you don't trust your partner. And choosing (remember, KLath chose to do this) to betray your partner with the one person on earth who will hurt your partner the most? This seems both deliberate and nearly premeditated. I no longer care to know, "why;" the relationship is dead and she killed it. Time to move on.

To me the cheating broke the sharing and now they are just two people who used to shag each other. Perhaps the developer will force us to continue to allow it. If the developer will allow the reader to break the couple apart, that likely will be what I will do and then Kath can do whomever she wants and those who want to can watch her do busloads of men at once for all I care. Once she cheats, she's dead to me and so is the former relationship. But I'm not hopeful this will be an option for me.

Either way, I don't see this as a game any longer. It's a story now.

Well, apparently there's no shortage of players who want to see exactly this. Not just in this story, either. It's a trend in many of the threads I follow here... ...it's as if people never heard of PornHub or something...

I'd say remove the word "potential"

In his last post, the developer made it clear he forced the situation with Pat. It was deliberate and there is no way to avoid it. The developer demands that she cheats (or at least creates significant belief that she cheats). We have no choice.

Well, for some players, once someone cheats the relationship is dead and there no longer is any reason to follow the story. What was supposed to be a game about sharing now has become a story about stealing and cheating.

Crikey dude, please use the multi-quote function when responding to multiple posts all in a row. This is literally what it's there for!

 

[xert13]

Well, for some players, once someone cheats the relationship is dead and there no longer is any reason to follow the story. What was supposed to be a game about sharing now has become a story about stealing and cheating.

IF you play that path. All may end up in the hotel room, but what the FMC does there is up to you or did I miss something?

 

[Araxnh]

IF you play that path. All may end up in the hotel room, but what the FMC does there is up to you or did I miss something?

hahahahahaha Yes, everyone chooses for fmc to be unfaithful and then complains that fmc was unfaithful.

 

[Lagunavii]

Well, for some players, once someone cheats the relationship is dead and there no longer is any reason to follow the story. What was supposed to be a game about sharing now has become a story about stealing and cheating.

And what has this got to do with what was actually being discussed here?

I get it, it's hard to jump into a conversation you weren't apart of.

 

[NewGuy2022]

And what has this got to do with what was actually being discussed here?

I get it, it's hard to jump into a conversation you weren't apart of.

Well, pardon my intrusion.

 

[Listander]

IF you play that path. All may end up in the hotel room, but what the FMC does there is up to you or did I miss something?

Yes you choose 3 times not to fuck with Pat
But the error ist in the Loyal Path/Sharing you are forced to go to the Motel. That makes no sense.

This has been discussed here several times and will not be changed from the Dev

 

[TomUK]

hahahahahaha Yes, everyone chooses for fmc to be unfaithful and then complains that fmc was unfaithful.

I usually play multiple routes so I can play the lewd route and the goody route, but even if you play the goody route in this game there are some questionable choices made for you.

 

[xert13]

hahahahahaha Yes, everyone chooses for fmc to be unfaithful and then complains that fmc was unfaithful.

Yeah, I’m struggling to see the issue here. I do not play all the paths I guess although I saw a lot of cuck content (“sharing” but if the MC is present watching his wife suck off another it’s cuck in the modern sense.) Given the drug is clearly in the air or suffused in their apartment building I didn’t see it as a stretch with Pat. What she does with him is up to the player. Some say it is out of character, but at least on my play through there was heavy foreshadowing. You saw the situation with Pat coming. The Dev clearly stated he wanted a pivotal moment, a conflict to define the rest of the story. I get that and its a tool often used in book and film - a defining moment. It seems to me those who self-insert felt betrayed even if they didn’t choose the NTR option. The mere knowledge of that choice is what they are responding to (most, not all) - otherwise, why would you care?

 

[Lagunavii]

I usually play multiple routes so I can play the lewd route and the goody route, but even if you play the goody route in this game there are some questionable choices made for you.

Loads of questionable stuff, in an effort to please everyone and keep choices and therefore options open, the pathing for this game is a mess, there's a few plot holes and dodgy character choices.

Putting the fact she's ended up in that motel aside, there would be no way she would masturbate with Pat there on a loyal route.

 

[Listander]

Loads of questionable stuff, in an effort to please everyone and keep choices and therefore options open, the pathing for this game is a mess, there's a few plot holes and dodgy character choices.

Putting the fact she's ended up in that motel aside, there would be no way she would masturbate with Pat there on a loyal route.

That's the point, the loyal Route is now broken!

 

[TomUK]

Loads of questionable stuff, in an effort to please everyone and keep choices and therefore options open, the pathing for this game is a mess, there's a few plot holes and dodgy character choices.

Putting the fact she's ended up in that motel aside, there would be no way she would masturbate with Pat there on a loyal route.

That one is your choice though, you can choose to just go to sleep instead of masturbating.

 

[xert13]

Yes you choose 3 times not to fuck with Pat
But the error ist in the Loyal Path/Sharing you are forced to go to the Motel. That makes no sense.

This has been discussed here several times and will not be changed from the Dev

The Dev explained why it made sense. Really do not see it as a stretch. We also are not privy to how the story will unfold. There were really just two paths - Loyal with minimal sharing and sharing (cuck). I believe I was on the sharing path because I wanted to see the most content. There was no “Netorare” path in a pure sense. The dev forced everyone into the hotel room to create a conflict. Don’t see the problem with that it is a common device in story telling. What you did in the hotel room is up to the player. I think some are simply upset there was an option for her to veer into Netorare instead of asking permission first. At least that’s my take.

 

[Listander]

Yeah, I’m struggling to see the issue here. I do not play all the paths I guess although I saw a lot of cuck content (“sharing” but if the MC is present watching his wife suck off another it’s cuck in the modern sense.) Given the drug is clearly in the air or suffused in their apartment building I didn’t see it as a stretch with Pat. What she does with him is up to the player. Some say it is out of character, but at least on my play through there was heavy foreshadowing. You saw the situation with Pat coming. The Dev clearly stated he wanted a pivotal moment, a conflict to define the rest of the story. I get that and its a tool often used in book and film - a defining moment. It seems to me those who self-insert felt betrayed even if they didn’t choose the NTR option. The mere knowledge of that choice is what they are responding to (most, not all) - otherwise, why would you care?

Santini gives Luke und Kathryn two water bottles in his car before they end up in the "naughty" warehouse. Even there Kathryn can choose.
This Scene is after the jail in Chapter 3

Will all be excused with the Horny Drug? We are still awaiting their drug tests

 

[Lagunavii]

That one is your choice though, you can choose to just go to sleep instead of masturbating.

And it's still questionable on the loyal route. The other routes I can understand

That's the point, the loyal Route is now broken!

Yup, I am in complete agreement. Though there's an argument to be made that it was broken along time ago. Take Dominic for example... On a loyal path after he gets nothing in the cinema toilet he shouldn't get obsessed and therefore shouldn't appear again.

 

[TomUK]

The Dev explained why it made sense. Really do not see it as a stretch. We also are not privy to how the story will unfold. There were really just two paths - Loyal with minimal sharing and sharing (cuck). I believe I was on the sharing path because I wanted to see the most content. There was no “Netorare” path in a pure sense. The dev forced everyone into the hotel room to create a conflict. Don’t see the problem with that it is a common device in story telling. What you did in the hotel room is up to the player. I think some are simply upset there was an option for her to veer into Netorare instead of asking permission first. At least that’s my take.

Yep, although this is not the first game to try and get the MCs father, who he hates, to fuck the MCs girlfriend, and personally, I won't go down that route if I can help it.

 

[xert13]

Santini gives Luke und Kathryn two water bottles in his car before they end up in the "naughty" warehouse. Even there Kathryn can choose.
This Scene is after the jail in Chapter 3

Will all be excused with the Horny Drug? We are still awaiting their drug tests

Good point. I have mentioned that some are forgetting about the drug, but forgot about the water bottles.

 

[Turret]

hahahahahaha Yes, everyone chooses for fmc to be unfaithful and then complains that fmc was unfaithful.

Those who can read, have an advantage! Look at the many posts made in the last few days. Even if we chose that Kathryn does not cheat with Pat, it is contrieved, stupid and completely out of character for those on the Loyal/few sharing and Loyal/full sharing paths that Kati DOES NOT LEAVE WITH LUKE DESPITE HAVING A SOLID RELATIONSHIP!
It is a worse breach of trust that she out of the blue chose a slimy bastard like Pat over Luke, esp. if both love each other, are ok with sharing and have a solid relationship. Kathryn staying back with Pat is completely unbelievable on any loyal route.

The Dev explained why it made sense. Really do not see it as a stretch. We also are not privy to how the story will unfold. There were really just two paths - Loyal with minimal sharing and sharing (cuck). I believe I was on the sharing path because I wanted to see the most content. There was no “Netorare” path in a pure sense. The dev forced everyone into the hotel room to create a conflict. Don’t see the problem with that it is a common device in story telling. What you did in the hotel room is up to the player. I think some are simply upset there was an option for her to veer into Netorare instead of asking permission first. At least that’s my take.

Bobby simply fucked up because on the loyal and sharing routes without any relationship trouble it is completely unbelievable that Kati stays with a guy Luke despises! That is like hating strawberry ice cream and then going and buying a portion of strawberry ice cream when visiting the ice cafe later.

 

[xert13]

And it's still questionable on the loyal route. The other routes I can understand




Yup, I am in complete agreement. Though there's an argument to be made that it was broken along time ago. Take Dominic for example... On a loyal path after he gets nothing in the cinema toilet he shouldn't get obsessed and therefore shouldn't appear again.

Why? He is there to build tension. On the loyal path view him as a stalker.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Santini gives Luke und Kathryn two water bottles in his car before they end up in the "naughty" warehouse. Even there Kathryn can choose.
This Scene is after the jail in Chapter 3

Will all be excused with the Horny Drug? We are still awaiting their drug tests

It's getting to the point where every time a game offers a choice about accepting food or drink I feel the need to make a hard save. Then I refuse the offer. My games are making me paranoid.

 

[TomUK]

Yup, I am in complete agreement. Though there's an argument to be made that it was broken along time ago. Take Dominic for example... On a loyal path after he gets nothing in the cinema toilet he shouldn't get obsessed and therefore shouldn't appear again.

I wouldn't say it's broken as such, on my playthrough on the goody route there were still some questionable decisions made for you or until the gf phones the MC to get his approval to do something. Even on that Dominic example, it still takes her a bit to run out of the toilet, if she did it straight away I can see your point, but she texts Luke first, all the time Dominic's cock is basically in her face and he is a sex predator after all.