VN Ren'Py The East Block [v0.8.2] [Bobbyboy Productions]

[NewGuy2022]

I'd heard good things about this game from share/swing fans so I downloaded it and planned to give it a go.

From what I'm reading here, it won't be about share/swing any longer but will be (yet another) story that starts well but ends in NTR.

I guess I'll save my time and try something else, instead. Thanks for warning me away. Another developer to add to my "no" list, I suppose.

 

[Dessolos]

I'd heard good things about this game from share/swing fans so I downloaded it and planned to give it a go.

From what I'm reading here, it won't be about share/swing any longer but will be (yet another) story that starts well but ends in NTR.

I guess I'll save my time and try something else, instead. Thanks for warning me away. Another developer to add to my "no" list, I suppose.

yeah it would be better to check back next time it updates. Cause I think that will truly determine if this was a one time thing to give NTR fans something or if the direction is actually changing to NTR.

 

[moonhowler1972]

Honestly if Kath didn't act so out of character hell i think the cheating was to rushed and out of character too but that would be forgivable to give the NTR fans something if Kat didn't act out of character prior to that. Hell if the dev didn't go out of his way to not include NTS scenes would of been a bit more forgivable.

To me it's clear this update needed more time but was rushed or Bobby doesn't care about his NTS fans anymore. From time to time when Bobby mentions he got feedback and decided to add / change things up to make the update feel better. Makes me question who he is even getting his feedback from because how can they miss such obvious errors with how out of character Kat acts in this update unless Bobby just ignored some of their advise.

Direct quote from him on Itch regarding the push back he's getting over this latest ep: "It's ok, I became immune to that stuff over a year ago. Being an adult vn dev gives you thick skin after a while". Pretty fair to say that yep, he's giving a massive FU to the NTS fans because he's getting $ from NTR enjoyers. I've nothing against NTR as a genre, but cases like this where devs turn into whores and compromise their stated goals and do a 180 in their games for a few extra bucks absolutely shit me. And I'm guessing since he's talking tough about negative feedback, Franklin putting in the tip behind Luke's back might have been a metaphor. Tip of the NTR iceberg. If Luke didn't go out with Pat & Kath, she's open to visiting the neighbour to get info on her own. Gonna be another NTR fest there for sure.

 

[Justaphase]

Yeah I mean as long as NTS isn't abandoned in updates after this one I will still love this game and I will just pretend the NTR bits from this update don't exist cause to me even with the drugged water doesn't make sense with how it happened.

I mean you can avoid the cheating all together and avoid the restaurant argument by having Luke not go. Then the biggest issue (apart from the shitty overused AI animations) is the update being a huge nothing burger apart from a blowjob scene.
So if he were to course correct and make the next update more NTS focused then it could be possible I guess.

Though like I said earlier, the supporters that he is trying to pander to at the moment to get their money, will expect more and more cheating and corruption. Corruption of not only Kathryn but of their relationship as well. They are also not going to want Luke to be aware or even have the chance to be turned on by any of it.

 

[TheUberstuff]

The dev of this game has honestly turned into a trash human. Posted on itch, he instantly deleted my comment but leaves up all the comments praising him, applauding him for NTR. Thing is these fans don't care about the story or relationship as long as they can get their rocks off, when all we want is a choice here, and dev doesn't even care about the game anymore, just money.

I would say I hope this game fails now, but it won't, the NTR fanboys will fund him whatever he wants, he will accept cause he is a shill that doesn't really care about his fans or his other supporters who are in minority, cause I guess not enough money.

Its things like this why I don't really support many devs, cause at end of the day, a lot of them are trash like this one turned out to be.

Wow, I absolutely 1000% agree with everything you wrote and its also why if I do support a dev I do it update by update and as soon as it starts being crap I stop and never support the dev again. I also blame both the players and the dev. People will support a dev that stands by what THEY initially intended for their project and not some sniveling coward who uses polls / money to determine the direction of their game.

Its fine to ask players for feedback but don't use that feedback alone for the direction of the project. I blame players for only ever wanting NTR as though no other type of game is enjoyable and while I do like NTR myself their are far too many out there and not enough that aren't.

 

[Dessolos]

Direct quote from him on Itch regarding the push back he's getting over this latest ep: "It's ok, I became immune to that stuff over a year ago. Being an adult vn dev gives you thick skin after a while". Pretty fair to say that yep, he's giving a massive FU to the NTS fans because he's getting $ from NTR enjoyers. I've nothing against NTR as a genre, but cases like this where devs turn into whores and compromise their stated goals and do a 180 in their games for a few extra bucks absolutely shit me. And I'm guessing since he's talking tough about negative feedback, Franklin putting in the tip behind Luke's back might have been a metaphor. Tip of the NTR iceberg. If Luke didn't go out with Pat & Kath, she's open to visiting the neighbour to get info on her own. Gonna be another NTR fest there for sure.

haha I just looked and saw that and my hopes of this being a 1 time thing of no NTS is fading but Im willing to wait and see how things plays out in the next 2 updates

 

[SerasAshrein]

And who can see the statistics there, how many new subscribers were added during this update and how much Bob earned from this update, and, of course, how many people unsubscribed from him, I'm interested in this update, what he has there.

 

[bulbor]

Direct quote from him on Itch regarding the push back he's getting over this latest ep: "It's ok, I became immune to that stuff over a year ago. Being an adult vn dev gives you thick skin after a while". Pretty fair to say that yep, he's giving a massive FU to the NTS fans because he's getting $ from NTR enjoyers. I've nothing against NTR as a genre, but cases like this where devs turn into whores and compromise their stated goals and do a 180 in their games for a few extra bucks absolutely shit me. And I'm guessing since he's talking tough about negative feedback, Franklin putting in the tip behind Luke's back might have been a metaphor. Tip of the NTR iceberg. If Luke didn't go out with Pat & Kath, she's open to visiting the neighbour to get info on her own. Gonna be another NTR fest there for sure.

Developing a thick skin against well deserved criticism seems like a great idea....

 

[SerasAshrein]

haha I just looked and saw that and my hopes of this being a 1 time thing of no NTS is fading but Im willing to wait and see how things plays out in the next 2 updates

Well, Chapter 9 will obviously come out, as we all know, and April 19, 2026 is just a new chapter and 6 months of work, and if earlier, then it will be global warming or cooling, whichever you prefer, ahahaha.

 

[Dessolos]

Well, Chapter 9 will obviously come out, as we all know, and April 19, 2026 is just a new chapter and 6 months of work, and if earlier, then it will be global warming or cooling, whichever you prefer, ahahaha.

haha honestly doesn't matter how long it takes for me I stopped getting excited for AVN's updates until they are about to be released without delay ever since I started to get back in AAA / AA gaming again

 

[SerasAshrein]

haha honestly doesn't matter how long it takes for me I stopped getting excited for AVN's updates until they are about to be released without delay ever since I started to get back in AAA / AA gaming again

I'm more interested in when the game will be released on Steam, what kind of criticism and everything else will be falling or being lost? And I think he said in the Dev Blog that the game will be on Steam in the fall of 2026.

 

[SerasAshrein]

Developing a thick skin against well deserved criticism seems like a great idea....

Developing a thick skin against well deserved criticism seems like a great idea....

But this just became interesting to me, this will definitely happen if I don’t meet Pat, and the fact is that I’m too lazy to go through this whole game again from the beginning, I have no desire, if this will definitely happen, I would take a look at it.

 

[Turret]

No idea the point you are trying to make, tbh.

Hi!
My point is not difficult to see, Bobby is a sellout. It is very clear with this update. The characters act drastically different than in the 7 chapters before, even an all-around a... as Nathan. In the early chapters Nathan was clearly amused by Luke, even liked him a bit (even if he still wanted into Kati´s knickers), now he suddenly hates Luke and with absurd reasons.
The ending of the update is hardcoded towards NTR. It is glaringly obvious that Bobby now only caters to the NTR fans, there was nothing for the love and sharing/swinging paths.

 

[Dessolos]

I'm more interested in when the game will be released on Steam, what kind of criticism and everything else will be falling or being lost? And I think he said in the Dev Blog that the game will be on Steam in the fall of 2026.

yeah I mean id probably still pick it up on Steam even if I dislike the rest of game from here on out just because I loved the first 7 chapters of the game so much. Used to be I couldn't wait for Steam so I could show support as that is my preferred method now unless things change my mind im more of the mind set I get it whenever. But yeah seeing the Steam criticism would be interesting if things don't change for the better

 

[dexterousgecko]

I'd heard good things about this game from share/swing fans so I downloaded it and planned to give it a go.

From what I'm reading here, it won't be about share/swing any longer but will be (yet another) story that starts well but ends in NTR.

I guess I'll save my time and try something else, instead. Thanks for warning me away. Another developer to add to my "no" list, I suppose.

The sharing has very much turned into NTR, I'm sure they'll have to do some bizarre re-working of personalities to make it seem like they're still technically a couple, because the NTR guys need there to be that angst feeling, but it's lost all sense of believability.

 

[redoubt27]

yeah it would be better to check back next time it updates. Cause I think that will truly determine if this was a one time thing to give NTR fans something or if the direction is actually changing to NTR.

That's where I'm at...next update, see how this fiasco of a situation plays out...
Disappointed, yeah. Mad, nah.
While this update didn't feel good, or right, at all, not giving the choice to have Kathryn leave with Luke is the absolute worst part of this...
You have to turn down some choices, but choices are there to avoid stuff I see folks complaining about.
There's some thoughts/choices, with Pat, and not having Kathryn cheat, that gives a little glimmer of hope that this is just another boat has capsized story situation, but will have the chance to right itself in the next scene/update...
Will wait and see, just not holding my breath...

 

[Dessolos]

Okay. So another thread goes toxic.Too bad. It is a great game.

been toxic for about a year or so id say

 

[sofuckyyy]

I prefer NTS over NTR myself and still enjoyed the update. Everything NTR related is completely avoidable and while the story isn't as amazing as it usually is (if you skip all the NTR scenes), it is still logical and coherant. I'm sure it will flow better after future updates but all these people complaining like the game is over for NTS enjoyers are just being overly dramatic.

Other than the AI scenes being a bit too frequent.. the only real valid criticism I think you could make is the lack of content for the amount of dev time from last release (if you are in the NTS only boat). He's kind of slowed down in updates but is still faster than most other devs releasing games of this quality so hopefully a more steady pace means he can avoid burn-out.

Personally, I am glad he is seeing a spike in supporters after this update (at an all time high). Hopefully he is encouraged and will pump out the next update even quicker.

 

[Dessolos]

I prefer NTS over NTR myself and still enjoyed the update. Everything NTR related is completely avoidable and while the story isn't as amazing as it usually is (if you skip all the NTR scenes), it is still logical and coherant. I'm sure it will flow better after future updates but all these people complaining like the game is over for NTS enjoyers are just being overly dramatic.

Other than the AI scenes being a bit too frequent.. the only real valid criticism I think you could make is the lack of content for the amount of dev time from last release (if you are in the NTS only boat). He's kind of slowed down in updates but is still faster than most other devs releasing games of this quality so hopefully a more steady pace means he can avoid burn-out.

Personally, I am glad he is seeing a spike in supporters after this update (at an all time high). Hopefully he is encouraged and will pump out the next update even quicker.

I would agree if I didn't feel Kathryn didn't act out of character during the NTR scene and the dance if you go with Luke . The dance was more of the issue could care less I found the motel / NTR scene forced and out of character personally since I see that as fan service for the NTR fans that been wanting that for awhile now. The dance scene on the Luke goes with path really has been the main complaint for most myself included I believe . My worry about lack of NTS now or in the future really isn't an issue to worry about yet for me but the update and a few things ive read does feel like that is a possibility but yeah too soon to say if that is the case.

 

[xert13]

https://f95zone.to/threads/detective-necro-v0-55-hotfix-blackhandgames.115137/post-13450012 Can't remember the other one.

…there are a-holes on both sides. Some purposefully give low ratings on NTR themed VNs just to hate. Plus, lost count the number of times I’ve read *insert NTR insult here* followed by “Oh, not fetish shaming, like what you want.” Frankly, there are two themes here - some are very disappointed with the quality of the update. Others are upset over the content of the update if on a certain path. I certainly understand the latter if you didn’t like the use of AI. The former I don’t get unless you were given no choice. The Dev seems to be following his subs, if not he will reap the consequences.