VN Ren'Py The East Block [v0.8.3] [Bobbyboy Productions]

[megadrive2000]

Santini gives Luke und Kathryn two water bottles in his car before they end up in the "naughty" warehouse. Even there Kathryn can choose.
This Scene is after the jail in Chapter 3

Will all be excused with the Horny Drug? We are still awaiting their drug tests

It's getting to the point where every time a game offers a choice about accepting food or drink I feel the need to make a hard save. Then I refuse the offer, especially if the character doesn't join me in eating/drinking or if the items offered are separate. My games are making me paranoid.

Whohooooo…..Nate….related with Mr. Santini….brought a bottle of wine BEFORE the second shooting at Luke&Kathryns home…..
Nate had red wine and our love couple white wine…

 

[TonyMurray]

Every one of these VNs on this site have "plot contrivance." Really, how else do you set up all the ridiculous situations in these stories? Frankly, most movies and shows employ plot contrivance - hey, don't go in the basement!...Oh, they went into the basement. Not sure why an Adult VN is held to a higher standard. There wasn't a cuck scene in this update and some are upset. Ok, it's rare to get everything you want in an update. I wanted to see the FMC get plowed from behind, but it didn't happen in this update. Get the Pitchforks! Ok, I'm being flippant, but I find it hard to understand the level of upset by some (not saying you) have with the update. Dev wanted conflict, people want the story to progress - he made it clear he inserted this to get to the conflict/misunderstanding. I get the shoehorn theory, but this isn't a Hemingway novel. The Dev got the story to the place he wanted to move on. Let's see how it progresses from here. I'm sure in the next update he will have the FMC call the MC for permission to take a dump.

It kinda sounds like you're wilfully ignoring what people are saying because it doesn't fit in with the argument you're trying to make. Those plot contrivances you're trying to equate this to at least make some sort of sense. They fit the overall narrative of what's happening and what happened before. That's not the case here on certain paths, and that is the thing people have said on multiple occasions. I get that you don't understand the level of upset some have experienced here, but given that they've explained their position (several times in many cases), I'd say that's a you problem and not a them problem.

And also, once more you've returned to it being about not having sought permission first. How many people here have said the issue was that Kathryn didn't get Luke's permission before fucking the dad he hates? There's a difference between offering counterpoints after understanding a complaint and just providing arguments based on what you think the complaint is.

 

[Dessolos]

I can explain things no more simply than this:

=When I read a book or watch a movie I know that everything is forced and I will not change the plot by wishing. I get that.
It's understood when you begin the book or movie that it will be kinetic. This happens also with games that have no choice tag; it's expected. I'm fine with that.

=When I play a game with "choice" in the tags, I expect that choices I make will influence outcomes. That did not happen here.

That is the source of my frustration.

I would say it's worst because you did make choice in Ch 7 but they felt like they were ignored and just there to have slight variation if you go alone or with Luke but the end outcome is the same. Without another choice during the event it kind of makes that choice to have Kat go Alone or with Luke feel rather pointless and would of been better off just to have no say in the matter since you were always gonna end up in the same spot.

 

[B5363]

They were not going to a motel. She did not leave with Pat to go to a motel. She did not leave with him to go have sex with him. That was all pretty clear. Pat did not leave with Kathryn to go to a motel. He did not instigate anything nor did he try to seduce her. He slept on the floor. And he is not just some guy Luke hates. He is his father. Kathryn riding home with him is not far fetched. Luke did not give her much choice. He left. And it rained. Hard. And they went to the motel for safety and tried to, YES, get 2 rooms. or 2 Beds. They could not. She could not talk to Luke. She tried. A lot. None of that is debatable. The rest was spontaneous. None of it was planned. Yet, you could still stop it and remain loyal. But that somehow was not good enough. It seems the only "forcing" is the "outraged" trying to force her to have no options. And to do only as they want in every choice. Why can she not still be on the loyal path if she does not sleep with Pat? I don't get it.

 

[NewGuy2022]

I would say it's worst because you did make choice in Ch 7 but they felt like they were ignored and just there to have slight variation if you go alone or with Luke but the end outcome is the same. Without another choice during the event it kind of makes that choice to have Kat go Alone or with Luke feel rather pointless and would of been better off just to have no say in the matter since you were always gonna end up in the same spot.

Agreed. I tried to delete my post (above) when I saw that others said the same thing (but did it better); you were too fast for me.

 

[Dessolos]

And they went to the motel for safety and tried to, YES, get 2 rooms. or 2 Beds. They could not. S

id have to replay this bit but im 90% sure they only tried for a room with 2 beds not 2 rooms so to me they didn't try hard enough.

But that somehow was not good enough. It seems the only "forcing" is the "outraged" trying to force her to have no options. And to do only as they say in every choice. Why can she not still be on the loyal path if she does not sleep with Pat? I don't get it.

That isn't even the point really of why people are upset. Kat acts out of character at the dance if you go with Luke and no matter what choice you make in Ch 7 you are forced to end up at the motel. I think having her end up at the motel with Pat would be more forgivable if it was executed better and didn't have Kat act out of character. Yeah you can say it's more Luke fault cause he told her to stay I agree with that.

But Kat not trying to leave with him just because he said so after he gets angry feels very unlike her at all. That should of been a choice and just found another way for her to end up with Pat if that was always going to be the goal. At least that way you can say Kat didn't act out of character and the way they ended up at the motel is better even if the story around it isn't the best it keeps Kat's character intact for those that feel her not having a choice has ruined her as she acted in a way that isn't how she normally would act.

 

[B5363]

id have to replay this bit but im 90% sure they only tried for a room with 2 beds not 2 rooms so to me they didn't try hard enough.


no matter what choice you make in Ch 7 you are forced to end up at the motel. I think having her end up at the motel with Pat

And you are also forced to go to the dance. And beforehand stand out side and wait for Pat. And you are also forced to answer the phone in chapter 7. And agree to attend the dance one way or the other. And there are many other similar examples. The point is, going to the motel is no different than any of the others. Their intent was not to go have sex at the motel. That was clear. So the reaction to the "motel" is misplaced. It is only the decisions in the room that matter. And there you had the choice.

 

[Dessolos]

And you are also forced to go to the dance. And beforehand stand out side and wait for Pat. And you are also forced to answer the phone in chapter 7. And agree to attend the dance one way or the other. And there are many other similar examples. The point is, going to the motel is no different than any of the others. Their intent was not to go have sex at the motel. That was clear. So the reaction to the "motel" is misplaced. It is only the decisions in the room that matter. And there you had the choice.

yeah the motel scene was good in the sense of how we have the chance to say no or yes to NTR just not the destination to getting there , depending on your choice you picked in Chapter 7.

 

[Turret]

What's even worse is when she does do some teasing or dirty talk during the livestream, not even openly but whispering in his ear. Luke freaks out with no input from the player. Ignoring all of the choices we have made thus far.
She was clearly saying what she thought would turn him on and honestly I was as confused as Kat was at his reaction.

A very, very important point! I was also baffled by this forced reaction by Luke, esp. if they had been sharing a lot before. I knew from that point onward that Bobby was a sellout, since this is crap writing to bring in "tension" for the NTR crowd.

 

[dexterousgecko]

And you are also forced to go to the dance. And beforehand stand out side and wait for Pat. And you are also forced to answer the phone in chapter 7. And agree to attend the dance one way or the other. And there are many other similar examples. The point is, going to the motel is no different than any of the others. Their intent was not to go have sex at the motel. That was clear. So the reaction to the "motel" is misplaced. It is only the decisions in the room that matter. And there you had the choice.

Come on bro lol

The dev admitted himself that he forced the couple into that situation just for the drama with Pat. The entire love plot before was very much able to avoid all of that nonsense and now it's forced.

Saying "Kath didn't go there to have sex" is irrelevant. That's like the dev throwing in a single line with MC saying "Sure, I like when you cheat on me" and you'd go "SEEEEEE, HE LIKES IT"

Poor writing is still poor writing, even if it tries to explain itself as NOT awful.

 

[sanguinius95]

I just finished this game in its latest version is my review is the following: it is magnificent! whether it’s the character design, the soundtrack or even better, the naughty situations, I must admit that this game is of great quality.
I am surprised by the controversy surrounding it. For my part, I chose the NTS path and (even though it is 1000 times more boring than the NTR path) what happens suits me. Nothing happened between Luke’s father and Kate during the night at the hotel, and that suits me even if I recognize that the NTR path is well written and that the return, accompanied by Jakob Ahlborn’s soundtrack, is poignant as both feel guilty ...
By the way, there is my only criticism: the return by car is almost identical whether something happened or not ... Kate seems to be consumed with remorse and it’s very sad but there I quibble.
Thank you to the creator and don’t forget that the choice is yours ...

 

[Justaphase]

They were not going to a motel. She did not leave with Pat top go to a motel. She did not leave with him to go have sex with him. That was all pretty clear. Pat did not leave with Kathryn to go to a motel. He did not instigate anything nor did he try to seduce her. He slept on the floor. And he is not just some guy Luke hates. He is his father. Kathryn riding home with him is not far fetched. Luke did not give her much choice. He left. And it rained. Hard. And they went to the motel for safety and tried to, YES, get 2 rooms. or 2 Beds. They could not. She could not talk to Luke. She tried. A lot. None of that is debatable. The rest was spontaneous. None of it was planned. Yet, you could still stop it and remain loyal. But that somehow was not good enough. It seems the only "forcing" is the "outraged" trying to force her to have no options. And to do only as they want in every choice. Why can she not still be on the loyal path if she does not sleep with Pat? I don't get it.

You're not getting it on purpose.
While taking safety from fucking rain while being in a car like Pat's is certainly debatable. There was also more than one moment of flirting and lingering looks between Pat and Kat and that was no accident.

The problem that most/many of us have is the absence of any sharing options and that feeling like a complete 180 in what we have had so far. The Franklin scene did not need to also be an NTR scene, other than Nate being there. But then he left and Kat, Luke and Franklin were alone...boom opportunity created. But it was all handled either like a dirty secret or nothing.

What with the lack of NTS, only NTR options, forced drama and at times quite bad and overused AI animations it felt like a different game. So is it any wonder that many of us are left scratching our heads?

 

[mase88]

They were not going to a motel. She did not leave with Pat top go to a motel. She did not leave with him to go have sex with him. That was all pretty clear. Pat did not leave with Kathryn to go to a motel. He did not instigate anything nor did he try to seduce her. He slept on the floor. And he is not just some guy Luke hates. He is his father. Kathryn riding home with him is not far fetched. Luke did not give her much choice. He left. And it rained. Hard. And they went to the motel for safety and tried to, YES, get 2 rooms. or 2 Beds. They could not. She could not talk to Luke. She tried. A lot. None of that is debatable. The rest was spontaneous. None of it was planned. Yet, you could still stop it and remain loyal. But that somehow was not good enough. It seems the only "forcing" is the "outraged" trying to force her to have no options. And to do only as they want in every choice. Why can she not still be on the loyal path if she does not sleep with Pat? I don't get it.

That wasn't just somebody Kathryn sided with it was his shitty father where she exactly knows how much Luke doesn`t like him. So that makes it extra shitty from Kathryn especially in path where the relationship where good in the loyal or sharing path. So for me its not hard to see why people weren't happy with this update.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

You're not getting it on purpose.
While taking safety from fucking rain while being in a car like Pat's is certainly debatable. There was also more than one moment of flirting and lingering looks between Pat and Kat and that was no accident.

The problem that most/many of us have is the absence of any sharing options and that feeling like a complete 180 in what we have had so far. The Franklin scene did not need to also be an NTR scene, other than Nate being there. But then he left and Kat, Luke and Franklin were alone...boom opportunity created. But it was all handled either like a dirty secret or nothing.

What with the lack of NTS, only NTR options, forced drama and at times quite bad and overused AI animations it felt like a different game. So is it any wonder that many of us are left scratching our heads?

dont know if anyone else picked up on it but there was even some subtle things that where just off , i cant remember the path or the reason for the argument , but katy drags up something from the past and Luke was like ive already apologised for that then , it kicks into kat being in the wrong and apologising to Luke and essentially instantly being like ive apologised forgive me already

 

[NewGuy2022]

dont know if anyone else picked up on it but there was even some subtle things that where just off , i cant remember the path or the reason for the argument , but katy drags up something from the past and Luke was like ive already apologised for that then , it kicks into kat being in the wrong and apologising to Luke and essentially instantly being like ive apologised forgive me already

Well, that may be... ...but that's just art imitating real life. That's how real women argue; by dredging up things you did three years ago and rehashing them.

 

[sanguinius95]

That wasn't just somebody Kathryn sided with it was his shitty father where she exactly knows how much Luke doesn`t like him. So that makes it extra shitty from Kathryn especially in path where the relationship where good in the loyal or sharing path. So for me its not hard to see why people weren't happy with this update.

I agree with you but if the player doesn't want something happened between Pat & Kath, nothing happened, what is the problem ?

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Well, that may be... ...but that's just art imitating real life. That's how real women argue; by dredging up things you did three years ago and rehashing them.

Oooo ain't that the truth

 

[Joshy92]

I agree with you but if the player doesn't want something happened between Pat & Kath, nothing happened, what is the problem ?

She sided with Pat and didn't leave with Luke. That's what upset me.

 

[mase88]

I agree with you but if the player doesn't want something happened between Pat & Kath, nothing happened, what is the problem ?

I know and this good, but her staying with Pat makes Katheryn look really bad and makes all her talk how much she loves Luke is kinda pointless since her actions say otherwise in this update.

 

[redoubt27]

She sided with Pat and didn't leave with Luke. That's what upset me.

Yeah, definitely the most disappointing part, and certainly understandable why folks are upset.
Kathryn: You should leave.
Luke: Ok, I'm leaving.
Kathryn: I can't let you go...
Then proceeds to let him go...