VN Ren'Py The East Block [v0.8.3] [Bobbyboy Productions]

[HikBenAkk]

At this point I think some people choose not to understand Tony.

Nope, in fact, for me, it is not a choice, I actually DO NOT understand your take Tony and you... ^^!

TonyMurray By saying

people can't use "well Luke cheated, so it's only fair that Kathryn cheats" as a blanket defence for her cheating.

do you refer on what I said ? I reply here because I said that Luke cheating makes fair Kathryn to cheat on him too. if so, it is my playthrough and the way I made it my own only. It never was presented by me to be universal (to be seen that way by all other players).

I still do not get what you guys see as forced in the Luke VS Kathryn argument event.
Assuming neither Luke nor Kathryn had cheating/sharing, is it the argument itself you guys think it should not be there in this route or what they say within it ? It is not clear enough for me from what you guys said and I can tell, because I did not played this route (the faithful one).

If it is the argument itself, I can reply by the usual question : instead of asking why featuring their argument, the good question is why NOT featuring this argument?
In this faithful route, this argument still can make sense :
Luke dislikes his father, Pat is hitting on Kathryn in front of him before this argument, and seeing that triggered Luke who overreacted : Luke felt jealous and became angry towards Kathryn to not reject strongly enough in his mind Pat's attempts towards her (I assume the pics are the same regardless the route).
It is an immature reaction from Luke, unfair towards Kathryn who is just trying to fix Luke and Pat relationship while being oblivious about Pat's attempts towards her.
Without having played it, did I get the situation accurately ? if so, What is forced there ?
From a game pov, it offers to the players the opportunity to make Kathryn cheat on Luke (regardless what happened before in all the previous update from the beginning), up to them to choose this continuation or not...

If it is about what Luke and Kathryn say during their argument, I do not know if there is specific lines in the faithful route. Hence, can you guys tell me some lines that feel off according to you, making their whole argument feel forced ?
I said it to Joshy, if they speak about things that have NEVER happened to them in this faithful route, it is a bug in the story that MUST be reported to Bobbyboy and fixed to restore consistency.

 

[TonyMurray]

Nope, in fact, for me, it is not a choice, I actually DO NOT understand your take Tony and you... ^^!

TonyMurray By saying

do you refer on what I said ? I reply here because I said that Luke cheating makes fair Kathryn to cheat on him too. if so, it is my playthrough and the way I made it my own only. It never was presented by me to be universal (to be seen that way by all other players).

This is getting messy now, it's best to ignore that - it wasn't referring to your comment. The person I was responding to said that people were "whining that if Luke didn't cheat on Kath, then she shouldn't be allowed to either", so I was just telling him that he had it all wrong. People weren't saying that at all, and he was misrepresenting an argument and getting it back to front because as you correctly point out here, Luke cheating is not a universal choice, which is in fact what was originally said by those he claims to be "whining".

I still do not get what you guys see as forced in the Luke VS Kathryn argument event.
Assuming neither Luke nor Kathryn had cheating/sharing, is it the argument itself you guys think it should not be there in this route or what they say within it ? It is not clear enough for me from what you guys said and I can tell, because I did not played this route (the faithful one).

If it is the argument itself, I can reply by the usual question : instead of asking why featuring their argument in this update, the good question is why NOT featuring this argument?
In this faithful route, this argument makes sense :
Luke dislikes his father, Pat is hitting on Kathryn in front of him before this argument, and seeing that triggered Luke who overreacted : Luke felt jealous and became angry towards Kathryn to not reject strongly enough in his mind Pat's attempts towards her (I assume the pics are the same regardless the route).
It is an immature reaction from Luke, unfair towards Kathryn who is just trying to fix Luke and Pat relationship while being oblivious about Pat's attempts towards her.
Without having played it, did I get the situation accurately ? if so, What is forced there ?
From a game pov, it offers to the players the opportunity to make Kathryn cheat on Luke (regardless what happened before in all the previous update from the beginning), up to them to choose this continuation or not...

If it is about what Luke and Kathryn say during their argument, I do not know if there is specific lines in the faithful route. Hence, can you guys tell me some lines that feel off according to you, making their whole argument feel forced ?
I said it to Joshy, if they speak about things that have NEVER happened to them in this faithful route, it is a bug in the story that MUST be reported to Bobbyboy and fixed to restore consistency.

The bit about the argument being "forced/convoluted/whatever" is because it only really makes sense (to me) if Luke has been cheating. On those other paths, Luke and Kathryn are a loving couple, she's just been calling him her hero, etc., and then all of a sudden they're having a blazing argument - which happens, that in isolation wouldn't be so bad. What compounds it though is that there's no choice to leave together, the game forces Kathryn to stay with Pat, which again isn't so bad in isolation, but it's already the second thing in a chain. Then as part of talk with Pat, Kathryn's saying they might end up breaking up, coming home from their holiday to Spain on separate planes, etc.

So when we talk about the forced aspect, it's that the argument is there regardless of how we've been playing the game, and that on some paths it doesn't line up with the way the characters have been acting up to that point.

 

[Dessolos]

I do not get why people, as you say it here, think NTS can be set aside just because this update does not provide such content...
This update has no NTS content, ok... I can get it is disappointing for those who seek NTS only but is it so serious a problem for people to react so harshly? This update to not provide NTS does not mean the remaining of the game to have given up NTS as far as I know... My take is just about some middle ground...

From my pov it felt like the dev went out of his way to not include any and there was plenty of setup to include some. If there just wasn't any setup for a potential NTS scene I wouldn't care there was no NTS. It doesn't help I felt the only NTR scene that was good was the Franklin scene and that stopped before it got juicy as it was only the tip.

Despite the update only really including NTR and alot of people liking the Pat scene I felt like the Pat NTR made no sense and came out of nowhere without any proper build up or explanation how the horny drug works in prior updates . Cause to me it feels like for the most part they can control their selves I feel it isn't consistent when the horny drug works.

 

[HikBenAkk]

This is getting messy now, it's best to ignore that - it wasn't referring to your comment. The person I was responding to said that people were "whining that if Luke didn't cheat on Kath, then she shouldn't be allowed to either", so I was just telling him that he had it all wrong. People weren't saying that at all, and he was misrepresenting an argument and getting it back to front because as you correctly point out here, Luke cheating is not a universal choice, which is in fact what was originally said by those he claims to be "whining".

Oh sorry. Ok, I got that.

The bit about the argument being "forced/convoluted/whatever" is because it only really makes sense (to me) if Luke has been cheating. On those other paths, Luke and Kathryn are a loving couple, she's just been calling him her hero, etc., and then all of a sudden they're having a blazing argument - which happens, that in isolation wouldn't be so bad. What compounds it though is that there's no choice to leave together, the game forces Kathryn to stay with Pat, which again isn't so bad in isolation, but it's already the second thing in a chain. Then as part of talk with Pat, Kathryn's saying they might end up breaking up, coming home from their holiday to Spain on separate planes, etc.

So when we talk about the forced aspect, it's that the argument is there regardless of how we've been playing the game, and that on some paths it doesn't line up with the way the characters have been acting up to that point.

My opinion, the argument can make sense regardless the route BUT not with the same lines to be said by Luke and Kathryn obviously : even loving couples have arguments from time to time.
Luke to start the fight with Kathryn about Pat only can be seen as childish (the way I see it from what Joshy and you said about it) but neither forced nor to feel off : I do not want to convince you, just to show you there may be other ways to see it.

I got what you say about the argument to feel forced, I still disagree with it slightly but none of us can be said as right and the other to be wrong... Feelings are personal...

Thank you for the debate, I always like it to get routes I did not play and do not intend to play ^^

 

[HikBenAkk]

Hi Dessolos,

From my pov it felt like the dev went out of his way to not include any and there was plenty of setup to include some. If there just wasn't any setup for a potential NTS scene I wouldn't care there was no NTS. It doesn't help I felt the only NTR scene that was good was the Franklin scene and that stopped before it got juicy as it was only the tip.

As always, I understand...
That said, it is a matter of choice only : neither you nor me can be seen as legit to question the content made on that level...
There's no inconsistency.
The dev decides and we can only decide whether we like what is done or not...
You are legit to call me Captain Obvious on that matter...

Despite the update only really including NTR and alot of people liking the Pat scene I felt like the Pat NTR made no sense and came out of nowhere without any proper build up or explanation how the horny drug works in prior updates . Cause to me it feels like for the most part they can control their selves I feel it isn't consistent when the horny drug works.

For me, Pat NTR event makes sense : Luke overreacted and Kathryn became upset and sad from so much anger. She needed comfort and in my playthrough, having sex with Pat is not a big line to cross anymore ^^!. There are options to NOT have sex with Pat, players must assume their choices in the end.

The opportunity for Kathryn to cheat on Luke is available for those, like me, who are willing to have it make sense : I liked that from the dev.

Best Regards.

 

[dexterousgecko]

There's no inconsistency.
The dev decides and we can only decide whether we like what is done or not...

Well, with that argument, there's no point saying anything against the game because you can just say "Well, the dev did it THIS way SO THERE"

 

[Dessolos]

For me, Pat NTR event makes sense : Luke overreacted and Kathryn became upset and sad from so much anger. She needed comfort and in my playthrough, having sex with Pat is not a big line to cross anymore ^^!. There are options to NOT have sex with Pat, players must assume their choices in the end.

The opportunity for Kathryn to cheat on Luke is available for those, like me, who are willing to have it make sense : I liked that from the dev.

Best Regards.

idk to me it just felt like a lack of build up or conflict from Kat when they got to the motel or in the car. I only felt the conflict after the deed was done. It kind of just felt normal no thoughts of cheating or anything from Kat. Then out of nowehere it came. So for me from that pov it makes no sense at all , I know it's because of the horny drug in the water but like I said it feels like the horny drug isn't consistent so to me that just makes it even worst.

 

[HikBenAkk]

Well, with that argument, there's no point saying anything against the game because you can just say "Well, the dev did it THIS way SO THERE"

Hi dexterousgecko ,

Nope... You do not get my point. I explain.

Storyline replies to the question what to tell. It is a matter of choice only by authors : that is not questionable. What I said to Dessolos belongs to storyline and choices to make. We can only decide whether we like it or not.
Storytelling replies to the question how to tell the what above. That can be bad if it is poorly made or not accurate enough to make us understand the storyline (or plot).

Best regards.

 

[dexterousgecko]

Both can be bad though, and letting the author know that is a good thing imo.

 

[HikBenAkk]

Both can be bad though, and letting the author know that is a good thing imo.

I disagree. The author only is legit to decide about the story to tell because he is the owner of the game. if you do not like such decisions (you say it is bad), while another player like it (he says it is good), who is right who is wrong ?

About storytelling, you can tell when it is not accurate to the plot, you can provide proof you cannot about storyline
And no one can deny it when you prove lack accuracy from the storytelling towards the storyline.

 

[HikBenAkk]

idk to me it just felt like a lack of build up or conflict from Kat when they got to the motel or in the car. I only felt the conflict after the deed was done. It kind of just felt normal no thoughts of cheating or anything from Kat. Then out of nowehere it came. So for me from that pov it makes no sense at all , I know it's because of the horny drug in the water but like I said it feels like the horny drug isn't consistent so to me that just makes it even worst.

I cannot tell. I did not played the same way you did I guess.
I mean, I did not felt such lack of buid up.

You surprise me : the horny drug in the water ? I have not seen that !! When ?? I need another run to see it !

 

[Dessolos]

I cannot tell. I did not played the same way you did I guess.
I mean, I did not felt such lack of buid up.

You surprise me : the horny drug in the water ? I have not see that !! When ?? I need another run to see it !

well Bobby did tell us about the horny drug awhile back , that is the reason why Luke and Kat are getting tested at the hospital. Then I think Santi mentions or vaguely talks about it once or twice during some of his meeting with the guy running for Mayor or whatever.

 

[HikBenAkk]

well Bobby did tell us about the horny drug awhile back

Yes, I remember Clementine drugged a girl in her sex shop but that is the only reference to it I can remember.

, that is the reason why Luke and Kat are getting tested at the hospital. Then I think Santi mentions or vaguely talks about it once or twice during some of his meeting with the guy running for Mayor or whatever.

Ok... If so I do not like it... Such "horny drug" is often a bad idea to be introduced... it cancels all build up and steps making a slut out of a good girl on her own.

I will ask Bobbyboy about it. Count on me.

 

[TonyMurray]

Oh sorry. Ok, I got that.


My opinion, the argument can make sense regardless the route BUT not with the same lines to be said by Luke and Kathryn obviously : even loving couples have arguments from time to time.
Luke to start the fight with Kathryn about Pat only can be seen as childish (the way I see it from what Joshy and you said about it) but neither forced nor to feel off : I do not want to convince you, just to show you there may be other ways to see it.

I got what you say about the argument to feel forced, I still disagree with it slightly but none of us can be said as right and the other to be wrong... Feelings are personal...

Thank you for the debate, I always like it to get routes I did not play and do not intend to play ^^

Yeah, couples argue, but this one felt shoehorned in to get to a "one size fits all" endgame.

Some people have come in and shat all over the views of others. You've come in and said that you don't understand the opposing viewpoint but have engaged and tried to see the other side of the coin, so I for one appreciate that.

 

[TonyMurray]

Yes, I remember Clementine drugged a girl in her sex shop but that is the only reference to it I can remember.


Ok... If so I do not like it... Such "horny drug" is often a bad idea to be introduced... it cancels all build up and steps making a slut out of a good girl on her own.

I will ask Bobbyboy about it. Count on me.

And yeah, the "horny drug" is talked about a few times, and it's highly implied that it's in the water that Luke and Kathryn are given when they are in the car heading to the warehouse for the first time.

 

[HikBenAkk]

Yeah, couples argue, but this one felt shoehorned in to get to a "one size fits all" endgame.

Some people have come in and shat all over the views of others. You've come in and said that you don't understand the opposing viewpoint but have engaged and tried to see the other side of the coin, so I for one appreciate that.

You are welcome

And I have "bad news" if I may say it that way...
Such event, like the argument that is reused (more or less) in more than one route will happen again : I am pragmatic... I cannot but advise to do it that way as much as possible...
Devs like Bobbyboy are not pro studios with dozen of people working on the game in parallel : he cannot afford to make specific content (pics, animations) for each route : he MUST make reusable assets while being able to skip those too specific that must be made no matter what.

And that will not please everyone... but it is mandatory to not have this game take dozen of years to be made and not have it need TBytes of data...

 

[boredathome63]

Can someone post the newest image from the paid dev log that was just released??

 

[King Cule]

Bobbyboy48
One of you needs to tell Bobby not to finish his game before completing all the other characters’ story scenes.
For example, we still haven’t seen Rebecca, Kath’s sister, cheat her sister and have sex with Luke. We also haven’t seen what happens to Dominic after he goes to prison and develops resentment toward Kath, vowing to take revenge on her. And what about Franklin’s scenes with Kath, when she and Luke promised him they would talk later?

Bobby made a mistake by creating many characters without properly closing their storylines. No one told you to finish the game—there are games from 2016 that are still unfinished to this day.